Can we talk about how bad FastPass+ is?

[Cyrano]

Moving to TP Community board where you can continue the discussion

 

[kay1864]

I'm out.

Oh you're back after all!

I could refer you to the patent application, or the FCC filings for the actual hardware

Which proves your assertion of other LR sensors presently in the park how, exactly?

 

[Disney Frenhines]

Having recently been diagnosed with severe anaemia that will take 6 months of treatment to get me back to something resembling 'normal' energy levels and only 6 weeks in when I take my trip and still suffering from extreme tiredness the FP+ has turned out to be a godsend, I travel alone and racing to the popular rides at RD will wipe me out for the rest of the day, is that fair? It's the same for older couples who aren't as fast as youngsters, or a single parent with a child too old for a stroller, but, to young to sprint as fast as an older child or adult. So, the solution is to bring back the legacy FP and still have the FP+. Allocate a percentage of every hour to both systems, so everyone is bloody happy. Just programme the machines to recognise that someone already has three FP+ so they can't get an extra until they have used the three.

 

[AmyB2006]

I'm right here on this thread, kind of rude to be so oblique. If you're going to call people out, at least be honest enough to do so directly.

I for one would appreciate a reference that this is currently being done in the parks, and not just conjecture and/or "Disney has a policy allowing them to do so".

I for one would appreciate you answering the question about where you're getting your information. You've been asked several times and skirted the question now, several times. How are you so sure they are not using them? It actually was "all over the DIS" a while ago about the LR readers. I specifically remember the tin foil hat camp.

The Disney "policy" or whatever you want to call it, stating that they ARE using LR readers combined with SR readers was posted several pages ago.

 

[kay1864]

MagicBands can also be read by long-range readers located at Walt Disney World Resort used to

deliver personalized experiences (actual or potential at Disney's discretion), as well as

provide information that helps us improve the overall experience in our parks (actual or potential at Disney's discretion).

There, I fixed it for you.

 

[kay1864]

I for one would appreciate you answering the question about where you're getting your information. You've been asked several times and skirted the question now, several times. How are you so sure they are not using them? It actually was "all over the DIS" a while ago about the LR readers.

You've just answered your own question. The last one was a direct response to you at 1:17pm ET yesterday.

The Disney "policy" or whatever you want to call it, stating that they ARE using LR readers combined with SR readers was posted several pages ago.

All available evidence indicates LR sensors are limited to MM photos on some rides and one store at DTD. No evidence whatsoever that Disney is "tracking guests' movements throughout the parks" every minute, as several have claimed.

Disney's disclaimer in no way means widespread deployment of LR sensors currently in the parks. It only means that they can. Which, who knows, that they might do at any time.

 

[AmyB2006]

You've just answered your own question. The last one was a direct response to you at 1:17pm ET yesterday.

All available evidence indicates LR sensors are limited to MM photos on some rides and one store at DTD. No evidence whatsoever that Disney is "tracking guests' movements throughout the parks" every minute, as several have claimed.

Disney's disclaimer in no way means widespread deployment of LR sensors currently in the parks. It only means that they can. Which, who knows, that they might do at any time.

Ok, great! Now I'm getting somewhere LOL. Where is your "available evidence"? Other than what Disney has stated? They've claimed there are LR sensors in place. You've been all over the place in this thread.

There aren't sensors.
Wait there are sensors, but there for photos only.
They don't track you at all.
Wait, they do track your purchases at touch to pay places, and when you scan your FP+.

You're arguing about semantics. You're trying to pick words out of statements and arguing about past tense, future tense, present tense.... reading wwaaaaayy too much into this.

I couldn't care less if Disney tracks me, doesn't track me... whatever. But you're making my brain itch. Why can't you give a straightforward answer? Where is your information coming from? Is this down to "this is my opinion" based on how you're interpreting Disney's statements? Cause if it is I'll quit right now. LOL

 

[OtherScott]

Oh you're back after all!

Which proves your assertion of other LR sensors presently in the park how, exactly?

Nothing will prove to you that LR sensors are in use at the parks. Not Disney's patent app, not the specs on the readers themselves, not it's explicit statement about the use of RFID and apparently not even you're own words - typed within the last 48 hours:

I was speaking in the context of tracking MB guests' movements in the parks, since that was the topic of the posts I was replying to. And yes, as I've mentioned several times now, Disney is presently using long-range sensors for ride photos.

Still waiting on the question I asked you earlier:

What other long range readers has Disney stated?

This belief in the need for "other" LRs is part of your problem in accepting the totality of what's available. What, you think tracking has to be GPS-style breadcrumb trails at 10 second intervals?

I'm guessing that until Disney provides you with a printout of all of your LR scans, you'll go on trying to convince us that all the data they collect at rides and attractions is currently used only to populate the PhotoPass accounts of some of their guests.

"Yes, boss, we scanned the entire MB-wearing population of the attraction, but once we sent the pictures to the Kay family, we flushed the rest."

I appreciate your argument insofar as it relates to those who think Mickey-shaped LRs are going to hang from every lamp post. But with the level of active participation by guests, very little passive participation will be required to build behavioral models and real time notification pushes. From a real time perspective, a lot of processing will occur at the collection points.

 

[OtherScott]

There, I fixed it for you.

No, you fixed it for yourself.

Touchpoints are actual and potential

LRs are actual and potential, if you believe yourself

You just think their actual for one thing and potential for the other.

 

[kay1864]

Ok, great! Now I'm getting somewhere LOL.

Not sure why you're so amazed. It's the same exact answer I gave you at 1:17 yesterday.

Where is your "available evidence"?

Also already covered in the answer I gave you at 1:17 yesterday. Link is above.

Other than what Disney has stated? They've claimed there are LR sensors in place.

Um, no. They haven't claimed that all. They only have a disclaimer that they can use them.

You've been all over the place in this thread.
There aren't sensors.
Wait there are sensors, but there for photos only.
They don't track you at all.
Wait, they do track your purchases at touch to pay places, and when you scan your FP+.

Now you're playing semantics. I already said (several times) the first was in response to claims of tracking movements through the parks. The last two are just nasty misquotes on your part. Don't be nasty.

You're arguing about semantics. You're trying to pick words out of statements and arguing about past tense, future tense, present tense.... reading wwaaaaayy too much into this.

I think you're confusing me with another poster. I haven't said anything about tense at all.

 

[AmyB2006]

Not sure why you're so amazed. It's the same exact answer I gave you at 1:17 yesterday.

Also already covered in the answer I gave you at 1:17 yesterday. Link is above.

Um, no. They haven't claimed that all. They only have a disclaimer that they can use them.

Now you're playing semantics. I already said (several times) the first was in response to claims of tracking movements through the parks. The last two are just nasty misquotes on your part. Don't be nasty.


I think you're confusing me with another poster. I haven't said anything about tense at all.

You haven't given me any evidence or any semblance of an actual answer. You've danced around my question from the get go.

Not being nasty, it's in your posts.

Your "evidence" is as simple as you interpreting Disney's statements different than I am. Simple as that.

 

[kay1864]

Nothing will prove to you that LR sensors are in use at the parks. Not Disney's patent app, not the specs on the readers themselves, not it's explicit statement about the use of RFID and apparently not even you're own words - typed within the last 48 hours:

All of which show only that Disney has the capability to use them. If I file a patent app with specs for a hydrogen-powered car, does that prove that I currently have them in widespread production? By your logic the answer has to be "Yes".

(BTW it's "your own words" not "you're own words". I point that out only because you seem preoccupied with grammar, present tense, past tense, etc.)

I'm guessing that until Disney provides you with a printout of all of your LR scans, you'll go on trying to convince us that all the data they collect at rides and attractions is currently used only to populate the PhotoPass accounts of some of their guests.

Nice strawman, but no dice. Actually the question was about your assertion, not mine:

They have them they're using them.

Which you continue to dodge. All you offer is grammatical claims of Disney's disclaimer. I'm guessing your avoidance is because that's all you have?

 

[kay1864]

No, you fixed it for yourself.

Touchpoints are actual and potential

LRs are actual and potential, if you believe yourself

You just think their actual for one thing and potential for the other.

Um, no. As I indicated above, both are actual or potential at Disney's discretion.

It is you that is claiming that because of Disney's disclaimer, both must be actual currently. Again, if I file a patent app with specs for a hydrogen-powered car, does that prove that I currently have them in widespread production?

(And it's "they're" not "their")

 

[kay1864]

You haven't given me any evidence or any semblance of an actual answer. You've danced around my question from the get go.

Not being nasty, it's in your posts.

Your "evidence" is as simple as you interpreting Disney's statements different than I am. Simple as that.

Do re-read my reply to you of yesterday. I don't know where you're getting that my reply is limited to "Disney's statements".

 

[mom2rtk]

(And it's "they're" not "their")

Once you get to the point of grammatical corrections, it's generally time to let things go and move on.

 

[OtherScott]

All of which show only that Disney has the capability to use them. If I file a patent app with specs for a hydrogen-powered car, does that prove that I currently have them in widespread production? By your logic the answer has to be "Yes".

Using logic, I would consider whether you spent $1.8 million.

I'd also consider whether you actually had produced them for your FCC app:

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BTW, this version 4.0.

This giant device would be very easy for CMs to spot around the park and inside attractions so they could report it all over DIS, doncha know.

 

[AmyB2006]

Once you get to the point of grammatical corrections, it's generally time to let things go and move on.

Yup. One of those arts I have yet to master. LOL

 

[OtherScott]

Once you get to the point of grammatical corrections, it's generally time to let things go and move on.

No biggie. Entire studies have been done on grammatical errors in conversational writing. How many times have you caught yourself typing know instead of no (something that would never happen if you were "writing")?

 

[AmyB2006]

Do re-read my reply to you of yesterday. I don't know where you're getting that my reply is limited to "Disney's statements".

I did. You have provided zero evidence other than to pick apart Disney's wording of their statement about long range readers.

 

[kay1864]

Using logic, I would consider whether you spent $1.8 million.

I'd also consider whether you actually had produced them for your FCC app:

Oh OK. So your assertion is that therefore there must be widespread use of LR sensors in the parks? And based on the above, LR sensors must exist beyond the current known use of MM ride photos?

Not sure at this point what you're actually asserting, so I'm trying to clarify.