Can I ask all you conservative people a question?

[Disney Doll]

Well your original post and the obnoxious immature way you worded it belies your statement that you don't want to start a debate or offend anyone. How's that for not sugarcoating????

To answer your question, just as you have the right to listen to what you want, I have the right to hate it and try to change it if I so choose. Then you have the right to fight me and work to not have things be changed.

That's always the problem with folks who use their "rights" as an argument...see, yours are no more or less important than mine. It really boils down to who has the ability, patience and wherewithal to fight for their rights to be protected. And guess what??? Sometimes the liberals win and sometimes the conservatives do.

So you'll support a conservative's right to fight for change in the things that you believe in, such as child abuse? Well, that's good. But what about the rights of people who believe that child abuse is OK? Again, why should your belief that it is wrong supercede their belief that it is OK? Keep in mind that I am not supportive of child abuse in any way, but just taking an example from what you initally posted.

And just to remind you, "all" conservatives do not agree with censoring certain things. Neither do "all" Republicans. Painting with a broad brush weakens and dilutes your argument. If I said "Why do all you liberal democrats want to ruin the moral fiber of this country by allowing all this disgusting filth on TV and radio" don't you think that many folks here on the DIS who have a more liberal leaning or consider themselves part of the Democratic party would take offense to that, as well they should?

To be perfectly honest, in general, most American citizens are pretty middle-of-the-road and can agree on some points of most issues, if we could get away from the "liberal" and "conservative" and "Republican" and "Democrat" labels that we are always throwing at each other. Realistically, don't you think most people want a strong country, with decent leadership, with a government that helps the less fortunate to a degree while attempting to also help them help themselves? We all want to be able to say what we want to say. I think the average citizen pretty much wants to stay within the fringes of good taste and decency, in their speech, in their behavior, in what is shown on the media. You have some responses to this thread from folks who consider themselves Democrats who take issue with how much distasteful stuff is shown on TV or on the radio.. I would agree with them and I am the dreaded Republican You refer specifically to Howard Stern, so I will address my comments to him as a subject. I don't like him. I think he is far less talented than he used to be. I remember when he started in the radio business...I was in my early 20's and listened to him all the time because he was funny, pointed, and insightful. Now he's just obnoxious. Do I want him off the radio? No I do not, because just because I would choose not to listen to him doesn't mean someone else should not be able to if that is the type of entertainment they crave. Therefore, as a conservative Republican, I will tell you that I would not lobby to have Howard taken off the air. I will leave him for all of you who enjoy pointless, obnoxious, immature "humor" to enjoy, while I listen to other stations, which have entertainment on them which I enjoy.

Kind of blows your theroy about "all" conservative Republicans, doesn't it?

 

[kristen821]

Well your original post and the obnoxious immature way you worded it belies your statement that you don't want to start a debate or offend anyone. How's that for not sugarcoating????

To answer your question, just as you have the right to listen to what you want, I have the right to hate it and try to change it if I so choose. Then you have the right to fight me and work to not have things be changed.

That's always the problem with folks who use their "rights" as an argument...see, yours are no more or less important than mine. It really boils down to who has the ability, patience and wherewithal to fight for their rights to be protected. And guess what??? Sometimes the liberals win and sometimes the conservatives do.

So you'll support a conservative's right to fight for change in the things that you believe in, such as child abuse? Well, that's good. But what about the rights of people who believe that child abuse is OK? Again, why should your belief that it is wrong supercede their belief that it is OK? Keep in mind that I am not supportive of child abuse in any way, but just taking an example from what you initally posted.

And just to remind you, "all" conservatives do not agree with censoring certain things. Neither do "all" Republicans. Painting with a broad brush weakens and dilutes your argument. If I said "Why do all you liberal democrats want to ruin the moral fiber of this country by allowing all this disgusting filth on TV and radio" don't you think that many folks here on the DIS who have a more liberal leaning or consider themselves part of the Democratic party would take offense to that, as well they should?

To be perfectly honest, in general, most American citizens are pretty middle-of-the-road and can agree on some points of most issues, if we could get away from the "liberal" and "conservative" and "Republican" and "Democrat" labels that we are always throwing at each other. Realistically, don't you think most people want a strong country, with decent leadership, with a government that helps the less fortunate to a degree while attempting to also help them help themselves? We all want to be able to say what we want to say. I think the average citizen pretty much wants to stay within the fringes of good taste and decency, in their speech, in their behavior, in what is shown on the media. You have some responses to this thread from folks who consider themselves Democrats who take issue with how much distasteful stuff is shown on TV or on the radio.. I would agree with them and I am the dreaded Republican You refer specifically to Howard Stern, so I will address my comments to him as a subject. I don't like him. I think he is far less talented than he used to be. I remember when he started in the radio business...I was in my early 20's and listened to him all the time because he was funny, pointed, and insightful. Now he's just obnoxious. Do I want him off the radio? No I do not, because just because I would choose not to listen to him doesn't mean someone else should not be able to if that is the type of entertainment they crave. Therefore, as a conservative Republican, I will tell you that I would not lobby to have Howard taken off the air. I will leave him for all of you who enjoy pointless, obnoxious, immature "humor" to enjoy, while I listen to other stations, which have entertainment on them which I enjoy.

Kind of blows your theroy about "all" conservative Republicans, doesn't it?

Couldn't agree with you more!

 

[transparant]

Well your original post and the obnoxious immature way you worded it belies your statement that you don't want to start a debate or offend anyone. How's that for not sugarcoating????

To answer your question, just as you have the right to listen to what you want, I have the right to hate it and try to change it if I so choose. Then you have the right to fight me and work to not have things be changed.

That's always the problem with folks who use their "rights" as an argument...see, yours are no more or less important than mine. It really boils down to who has the ability, patience and wherewithal to fight for their rights to be protected. And guess what??? Sometimes the liberals win and sometimes the conservatives do.

So you'll support a conservative's right to fight for change in the things that you believe in, such as child abuse? Well, that's good. But what about the rights of people who believe that child abuse is OK? Again, why should your belief that it is wrong supercede their belief that it is OK? Keep in mind that I am not supportive of child abuse in any way, but just taking an example from what you initally posted.

And just to remind you, "all" conservatives do not agree with censoring certain things. Neither do "all" Republicans. Painting with a broad brush weakens and dilutes your argument. If I said "Why do all you liberal democrats want to ruin the moral fiber of this country by allowing all this disgusting filth on TV and radio" don't you think that many folks here on the DIS who have a more liberal leaning or consider themselves part of the Democratic party would take offense to that, as well they should?

To be perfectly honest, in general, most American citizens are pretty middle-of-the-road and can agree on some points of most issues, if we could get away from the "liberal" and "conservative" and "Republican" and "Democrat" labels that we are always throwing at each other. Realistically, don't you think most people want a strong country, with decent leadership, with a government that helps the less fortunate to a degree while attempting to also help them help themselves? We all want to be able to say what we want to say. I think the average citizen pretty much wants to stay within the fringes of good taste and decency, in their speech, in their behavior, in what is shown on the media. You have some responses to this thread from folks who consider themselves Democrats who take issue with how much distasteful stuff is shown on TV or on the radio.. I would agree with them and I am the dreaded Republican You refer specifically to Howard Stern, so I will address my comments to him as a subject. I don't like him. I think he is far less talented than he used to be. I remember when he started in the radio business...I was in my early 20's and listened to him all the time because he was funny, pointed, and insightful. Now he's just obnoxious. Do I want him off the radio? No I do not, because just because I would choose not to listen to him doesn't mean someone else should not be able to if that is the type of entertainment they crave. Therefore, as a conservative Republican, I will tell you that I would not lobby to have Howard taken off the air. I will leave him for all of you who enjoy pointless, obnoxious, immature "humor" to enjoy, while I listen to other stations, which have entertainment on them which I enjoy.

Kind of blows your theroy about "all" conservative Republicans, doesn't it?

Excellent post!

 

[Randi]

First off, I want to state that I do not consider myself "labeled' in any way.
My thinking and opinions are changeable depending on the circumstances.

However, one thing I have noticed over the last 50 years (I am 62 yrs old) is that there are fewer choices available as to content while there are actually more choices to chose from. I hope this made sense.

If a particular style of entertainment starts to make money for any reason, whatever the content, other venues jump on the bandwagon to get some of that money. And eventually that narrows the choices I have. Then we seem to reach a level of saturation, and it all begins again with something different.

Take TV: I remember when nearly every show was a Western, then it went to Medical shows, then sit-coms with 2 parent families, then sit-coms with single parents, then Police/Detective shows, then shows featuring ethnic families, etc. See what I mean?

 

[tiberius]

you conservative people

Alienating a large group of people is not the best way to start an interactive discussion.

Why are conservative people/republicans and fcc. Always trying to take away everything thats fun.

Everything--certainly an exaggeration, plus it is not just Republicans. Keep in mind conservative and Republican are not interchangeable.

Also keep in mind this is a free country, and the freedoms that give you the right to listen to what you want on the radio are no more important that the freedoms of others to set acceptable standards for society. If you do not like what is happening, then you should get more politically active.

BTW, As an active Republican I haven't prevented you from doing any of the things you listed, so let's try to narrow the broad brush a bit, please.

 

[Laz]

Some quick answers to the original post (I am conservative)

-I take no offense to the post. A lot of hate comes for not understanding some one's point of view.

-I do not wish to take away your rights. You can do, watch, listen to, etc. as long as the law isn't broken and you don't violate my rights.

- Many conservatives would ask a liberal the same questions (Why do you want to take away my right to... (fill in the conservative value, right, etc.)

-I can turn off Stern and you can turn off Limbaugh and christian radio.

-Liberals and Conservatives can get along in the same society.

 

[Dan Murphy]

......HOWEVER, the way you are posting is going to offend people and will start a debate, which is exactly what I think you intended.

 

[Free4Life11]

The reason I started this post was becuase now I hear FCC/Republicans want to go after satellite radios and pay channels on cable. I mean sorry but come on folks this is ridicoulous already. I am paying for that entertaiment........IT IS MY CHOICE

I agree with you on this.

However, to my understanding, ABC/NBC/CBS, etc. do NOT own the airwaves they broadcast on. I believe it is the government that owns/is in charge of/has power over the broadcast airwaves. If so, they have EVERY RIGHT to set rules and regulations regarding content on the broadcast airwaves.

The problem is, the FCC has never been forthcoming with the rules and regulations! It seems a little too subjective in my opinion.

 

[HayGan]

Great post Disney Doll!!!

 

[Disney1fan2002]

Because, once the FCC releases it's rein's, then there won't be any channel to change to. They will ALL have offensive programming. There are rules to what can and cannot be aired. They have relaxed quite a bit over the last 15 years or so, more and more words are becoming OK to say, but there has to be a line drawn, and they can't cross the line. If they started allowing shows to cross the line, because the viewers can NOT watch and change the channel, what happens when 100% of TV or radio has crossed the line?

I don't agree that the FCC should control satellite.You know what you are getting into when YOU pay for it, so it is your choice to pay for something you want to hear.

 

[CathrynRose]

OP, you should do some research on Tipper Gore (you know the wife of famed liberal Al Gore) and the PMRC.

BTW, as a self proclaimed conservative, I have no problem in Howard Stern, Andy and Opie and anyone else doing their own thing on pay for listening radio. I do feel that there should be regulation as to what is broadcasted over public airwaves.

Entire post -

I consider myself a conservative - who is very liberal in many of my censorship thoughts...(i.e my boys watch South Park, Family Guy and the like)

And along with the Tipper Gore thought - I see liberals as groups of people invading others lifestyle (Take a town to raise a child - train of thought)

 

[CathrynRose]

Enjoying the new smileys - I see....

 

[Dan Murphy]

And adding, RadioFanatic, not you stirring, but rather the OP.

 

[RadioFanatic]

And adding, RadioFanatic, not you stirring, but rather the OP.

Thanks! Have to admit I was wondering!

 

[Galahad]

Might want to drop that huge chip on your shoulder

No doubt.

 

[cstraub]

A bit off topic here but I just have to say......

I'm sure everyone remembers the school shootings at Columbine a few years back. I caught an episode of Howard Stern after it happened. Do you know that he was talking about how-

HOT THE HIGH SCHOOL GIRLS LOOKED WITH THEIR HANDS BEHIND THEIR HEADS WHILE RUNNING OUT OF THE SCHOOL BUILDING DURING THE SHOOTINGs!!!!!

Those hot girls just watched fellow students being shot down, those hot girls are someone's daughter, neice, sister or friend.

People really need to think about what he said in such an awful situation. Freedom of speech and morals aside this was disgusting! I'll take Seventh Heaven or Disney anyday!

 

[kristen821]

A bit off topic here but I just have to say......

I'm sure everyone remembers the school shootings at Columbine a few years back. I caught an episode of Howard Stern after it happened. Do you know that he was talking about how-

HOT THE HIGH SCHOOL GIRLS LOOKED WITH THEIR HANDS BEHIND THEIR HEADS WHILE RUNNING OUT OF THE SCHOOL BUILDING DURING THE SHOOTINGs!!!!!

Those hot girls just watched fellow students being shot down, those hot girls are someone's daughter, neice, sister or friend.

People really need to think about what he said in such an awful situation. Freedom of speech and morals aside this was disgusting! I'll take Seventh Heaven or Disney anyday!

That is horrible. I really don't like him at all. I don't mind other people watching/listening him but I wouldn't. He is just gross!

 

[SoccerDogWithEars]

As a teenager, I do have to somewhat defend my generation.

First off, since most of y'all are talking about "narrowing the broad brush", I must say the same to you. Not all teenagers watch Family Guy, MTV, or listen to Stern. I am a 100% band geek, and my favorite channel is Disney (what else?). It's not ALL teenagers that watch that stuff. We have every right to be or own individuals.

Also, keep in mind that we are our own generation. We like our stuff, and you liked yours at our age. I'm sure your parents might have been shocked at some of the stuff you watched/listened to. Yes, I agree that society has in general gotten to be a little more riskay (sp?) about these things, but remember that a few years ago it was considered shocking to have two people in bed with each other on tv.

In reply to the topic, why does it matter? They haven't done it yet. You can't complain about their beliefs when they are just that--beliefs. I am an on-the-fence, but my bff says that I disagree with pretty much everything. But back on topic. When the conservatives/republicans/fcc decides to ban or charge for certain tv channels or radio stations or cd's, you can go ahead and complain. But as of right now, I think we should all sit back and see what happens. Plenty of votes never leave Congress, and they have and equal number of conservatives and liberals voting on it.

 

[DisneyTarheel]

Because, once the FCC releases it's rein's, then there won't be any channel to change to. They will ALL have offensive programming. There are rules to what can and cannot be aired. They have relaxed quite a bit over the last 15 years or so, more and more words are becoming OK to say, but there has to be a line drawn, and they can't cross the line. If they started allowing shows to cross the line, because the viewers can NOT watch and change the channel, what happens when 100% of TV or radio has crossed the line?

So what about the conservative mantra that government regulation is bad, let the free market sort it out?

 

[cardaway]

So what about the conservative mantra that government regulation is bad, let the free market sort it out?

Still true as long as it's something conservatives support.