Campaigns "exploiting" our fears

[Fitswimmer]

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Fitzzie...she has apologised 1000 times, and explained herself over this issue. And quite frankly I dont think she has anything too apologise for.

What did Barak do to stop the war???

double post...

 

[MassJester]

I don't support war either..I try to support my country and the decisions our leaders make...when a majority disagree with those leaders then we get new leaders...all the negativity in media affects the troops fighting the war that no one wants...if you don'r bleive me then ask any Vietnam veteran...and if you still don't believe me then read the book "Lone Survivor"...written by a Navy Seal, Marcus Luttrell...you may have a different view after reading it...it's been on the NY Times best seller list for about 30 weeks.

So my choice is support the Preisdent's Iraq war or make or soldiers feel bad?

Uhmm, no.

I get it. It must be very hard being on the line when the value of the effort is being openly debated at home. I believe you, it must have real impact on those soldiers. But that a thin reason to keep sending more of them into harms way.

 

[Chloe'sMom]

I haven't seen the commercial (God Bless the inventor of TIVO) so I'm a little fuzzy on that detail.

What I do know is that campaigns should not be ran on fear. It was disgusting when we went through this is 2004. The truth is - that who is in the white house won't make a darn bit of difference in how safe we are.

We are already weakened due to a huge % of our military being over in Iraq and the fact that President Bush didn't do a dang thing about securing our borders or our ports.

I work in Los Angeles - the stories I hear of people wandering over the border, the port in San Diego which brings in so many craters they can't all be inspected - good grief. I could almost forgive GWB for his mistakes if he had managed to handle this one thing correctly.

None of the candidates should play on American's fears.

~Amanda

 

[The Mayor]

So my choice is support the Preisdent's Iraq war or make or soldiers feel bad?

Uhmm, no.

I get it. It must be very hard being on the line when the value of the effort is being openly debated at home. I believe you, it must have real impact on those soldiers. But that a thin reason to keep sending more of them into harms way.

Did you support JFK or LBJ when they sent our troops to Vietnam ...both Democrats.

 

[SwedishMeatball]

Pulling out makes no sense so long as staying gets the job done. There is no indication that it does. So unless we plan on really policing the country and dumping in 350,000 -500,000 troops, then aren't we just kidding ourselves? And at the same time, aren't we watching hard fought for gains in Afghanistan go down the tubes becuase of our neglect and distraction?

The Mayor suggested I read the papers. People might find it interesting what is said in the papers of our Allies in Afghanistan, and why they are just about fed up with our complete lack of leadership.

So do you really believe that either Hillary or Obama would completely pull out and leave them dangling in the breeze?? I just don't think they will.

 

[SwedishMeatball]

I haven't seen the commercial (God Bless the inventor of TIVO) so I'm a little fuzzy on that detail.

What I do know is that campaigns should not be ran on fear. It was disgusting when we went through this is 2004. The truth is - that who is in the white house won't make a darn bit of difference in how safe we are.

We are already weakened due to a huge % of our military being over in Iraq and the fact that President Bush didn't do a dang thing about securing our borders or our ports.

I work in Los Angeles - the stories I hear of people wandering over the border, the port in San Diego which brings in so many craters they can't all be inspected - good grief. I could almost forgive GWB for his mistakes if he had managed to handle this one thing correctly.

None of the candidates should play on American's fears.

~Amanda

Finally, a post back on topic. Even though I disagree.

 

[Chloe'sMom]

Finally, a post back on topic. Even though I disagree.

With which part? That Bush did a poor job of protecting this country because he left us vulnerable on our borders and ports? Or the part where candidates shouldn't play on fear?

I would much prefer to hear what the candidates propose to increase our safety rather then saying they'll be the better person to answer the phone at 3a.m.

 

[MassJester]

Did you support JFK or LBJ when they sent our troops to Vietnam ...both Democrats.

I have to admit that JFK and LBJ were much less interesting to me than stuffed animals and Lego at the time.

That said, Democrats make bad decisions too, and Vietnam makes the hit parade.

Kennedy was a smart guy, with a great vision and no ability to execute. His decisions on military operations were not his strong suit. The Bay of Pigs and Vietnam stand out as two very bad calls.

LBJ was a great President who made very bad decisions in Vietnam. The Gulf of Tonkin resolution was based on outright lies to Congress, and Vietnam stands out as an outrageous blemmish on the face of his presidency.

I am proud that Democrats forced us out. They did what this Congress may have to do. They looked down Pennsylvania Avenue and told Nixon: no more money, bring the troops home.

 

[MassJester]

So do you really believe that either Hillary or Obama would completely pull out and leave them dangling in the breeze?? I just don't think they will.

I think at some point, no matter who is elected will do that. Just like in Vietnam, the people will say "enough" and they will mean it.

 

[MassJester]

I would much prefer to hear what the candidates propose to increase our safety rather then saying they'll be the better person to answer the phone at 3a.m.

In fairness, she did answer the call with a very professional telephone voice.

 

[SwedishMeatball]

With which part? That Bush did a poor job of protecting this country because he left us vulnerable on our borders and ports? Or the part where candidates shouldn't play on fear?

I would much prefer to hear what the candidates propose to increase our safety rather then saying they'll be the better person to answer the phone at 3a.m.

I've addressed in several posts why I don't consider it playing on people's fear. It is a reality of our times and one that I feel should be openly discussed without using the diversionary tactic of accusing others of exploiting people's fears. Who would deny that it is a consideration when thinking about who you support??

 

[MassJester]

I've addressed in several posts why I don't consider it playing on people's fear. It is a reality of our times and one that I feel should be openly discussed without using the diversionary tactic of accusing others of exploiting people's fears. Who would deny that it is a consideration when thinking about who you support??

I think you're right in that it deserves to be discussed, but that ad is hardly such a discussion.

 

[Chloe'sMom]

I've addressed in several posts why I don't consider it playing on people's fear. It is a reality of our times and one that I feel should be openly discussed without using the diversionary tactic of accusing others of exploiting people's fears. Who would deny that it is a consideration when thinking about who you support??

saying your the better person for the job, and proving it are 2 very different things.

I personally have no favored candidate when it comes to this topic - I find all 3 to be lacking. Until we actually here what the plans are vs. just stating I will handle it better are different things. One of the topics that needs to be addressed is our borders and ports. to much focus on what to do with the illegals who are here - lets worry about that later - lets stop the flow first!!!!

I do not think that terrorist care if a repbulican or democrat is in the white house. Saying one side over the other is better or worse in my opinion is just plain stupid.

 

[SwedishMeatball]

I think at some point, no matter who is elected will do that. Just like in Vietnam, the people will say "enough" and they will mean it.

Perhaps, but I don't believe it could be debated that we were making any forward progress in Vietnam. I think that could be argued in this case. I do agree that people weary quickly of war, and whoever is elected will have to change strategies. I know you'll say that McCain won't, but I believe he would.

 

[Chloe'sMom]

Perhaps, but I don't believe it could be debated that we were making any forward progress in Vietnam. I think that could be argued in this case. I do agree that people weary quickly of war, and whoever is elected will have to change strategies. I know you'll say that McCain won't, but I believe he would.

I would be interested in hearing what he has in mind. So far all I've heard is stay the course and 100 years. That doesn't sound like change.

~Amanda

 

[MassJester]

Perhaps, but I don't believe it could be debated that we were making any forward progress in Vietnam. I think that could be argued in this case. I do agree that people weary quickly of war, and whoever is elected will have to change strategies. I know you'll say that McCain won't, but I believe he would.

In the eventuality that McCain wins, I hope you are right.

If there is a change in strategy that will achieve what needs to be achieved, I'd be glad to hear about it. My guess is, I'm not alone.

 

[SwedishMeatball]

I think you're right in that it deserves to be discussed, but that ad is hardly such a discussion.

saying your the better person for the job, and proving it are 2 very different things.

I personally have no favored candidate when it comes to this topic - I find all 3 to be lacking. Until we actually here what the plans are vs. just stating I will handle it better are different things. One of the topics that needs to be addressed is our borders and ports. to much focus on what to do with the illegals who are here - lets worry about that later - lets stop the flow first!!!!

I do not think that terrorist care if a repbulican or democrat is in the white house. Saying one side over the other is better or worse in my opinion is just plain stupid.

Well an ad like that can get people to thinking and discussing it. But again, is there any of us who haven't already considered who we would feel safer with in the WH??

Amanda, I agree with your second to the last sentence, but I haven't seen that point brought up yet. Also, my OP discussed how Obama accused Hillary of exploiting people's fears.

 

[lovemygoofy]

Hasn't there always been things to be afraid of with this country and been pointed out during presidential elections? The cold war with Russia? Communist China? Castro and Cuba used to cause big fears. I just think now because of 9/11 it's real and in our face and we have constant reminders that we aren't safe such as the wars going on and the stupid color chart and tapes relased of OBL.

 

[lovemygoofy]

I think at some point, no matter who is elected will do that. Just like in Vietnam, the people will say "enough" and they will mean it.

"The people" aren't ever going to say enough is enough until these wars are America's wars. As far as I'm concerned the only way it's America's wars is $$$ only. Until at least 50% of this country is impacted in a very personal way, nothing is going to change. I imagine every candidate running for president is thanking their lucky stars that the economy is tanking because not one of them has a plan for Iraq or Afghanstain and the public is not going to demand a change until they are personally affected.

 

[Chloe'sMom]

Well an ad like that can get people to thinking and discussing it. But again, is there any of us who haven't already considered who we would feel safer with in the WH??

Amanda, I agree with your second to the last sentence, but I haven't seen that point brought up yet. Also, my OP discussed how Obama accused Hillary of exploiting people's fears.

I wish those two would knock it off.

Is it exploiting people's fear - yeah it is. If she feels she's the better person to answer the phone then why doesn't she give her reasons why.

Part of my problem is that I hate campaign ads because there is nothing of any value in them.

~Amanda