California Grill - dress code

[eeyoreandtink]

With all due respect addressing it with the concierge at the restaurant isn't going to do it then you need to go address it with the "higher ups". With all of the time and energy you have spent here trying to persuade all of US with your passion and pique, you might at least have addressed the issue with the ones might who really care.

I did both. And I wasn't mad at concierge, just chatting before dinner.

 

[nickg420]

So if there isn't a cop enforcing the speed limit on the road today, it doesn't exist?

Now you're comparing apples and oranges...One is a law that is black and white the other is a document open to interpretation.

A better comparison would be if you were to get pulled over for speeding and you don't get a ticket. It doesn't mean you didn't break the law, or that the officer doesn't believe in the speed limit. It simply means he chose not to enforce it at that particular time.

However, let's take this a step further. Let's say people always drive 10 miles over the speed limit on this same road. The cops never pull anyone over ever. Until someone comes by doing 15 over the limit, and they get pulled over and they get cited a ticket. The speed limit was the same in both cases. It's just that at 10mph the officer didn't feel the need to issue a citation. 15mph was his limit he felt the need to take action. That's at his discretion whether we agree or not.

It's exactly the same at Disney. They may not enforce it with park attire. But if you come in dressed like Uncle Eddy from the Vacation movies with a tank top, cut offs, and a pair of flip flops and socks, they are probably going to say something. Does not mean that the people in park attire aren't "breaking the rules". It just means that they choose to ignore it until a certain level.

It's funny you mentioned "entitled" because from Disney's perspective they could see you as entitled yourself. To be clear, I'm not saying you are at all. However, if you were the only one complaining about people "under dressed" you would be outnumbered and Disney would likely try to accommodate you as best they could but would likely consider you the problem, not the under dressed.

Just like if every time you passed that officer and you stopped to tell him he should write a ticket for all of those other people speeding too....He'd send you on your way, and write the ticket he chooses to write and let the other slide as he decides.

I don't know Disney's reasons for being lax on a dress code. I don't work there so all I can do is speculate given the information in front of me. My speculation is not enough people coplain to make Disney waste their time turning a bunch of paying customers away for. Because at the end of the day for Disney, it all about that bottom line and mighty dollar.

 

[hertamaniac]

They also should have their audience in mind

I think they have. I agree with the other poster(s) who believes Disney wants their guests to have an enjoyable dining experience rather than worrying about what they are wearing. A positive review at CG goes a long way vs. turning away a party/diner who doesn't meet an ambiguous phrasing of their dress code.

 

[TeresaWen]

Ok. I’m getting my hair colored and have nothing to read so I did a little looking around. I do believe there has been a signature dress code update.

first - I can’t see a dress code referenced for any in park signature restaurant. For most signature restaurants in hotels it is what was referenced above. This is different from what I remember. It is not quite as ambiguous


Guests are asked to adhere to the minimum dress code requirements at this Signature Dining experience. Dressier attire is also welcome. Please explore the minimum dress code requirements:


Men must wear khakis, slacks or dress shorts and collared shirts. Jeans may be worn if in good condition. Sport coats are optional.

Women must wear Capri pants, skirts, dresses or dress shorts. Jeans may be worn if in good condition.

Not permitted are tank tops, flip-flops, swimsuits, swimsuit cover-ups, hats for gentlemen, cut-offs, torn clothing and t-shirts with offensive language and/or graphics.

I bolder the one word that makes this confusing. If not for the ASKED it is in fact very very clear. But not sure why the phrase about t-shirts with offensive language is still there since they are not part of the dress code.

Now the question is will it be enforced.

 

[Disneypro1]

So if there isn't a cop enforcing the speed limit on the road today, it doesn't exist?

Actually. No. It doesn’t. The officer HAS to observe the violation for it to be illegal. That’s why cameras for enforcement have been and are becoming illegal. And even then. You have the spirit of the law which gives the officer the option to issue a warning. Speeding isn’t inherently against the law. So short answer. It is constitutionally allowable to speed. Just don’t let the officer see you or they MAY issue a citation. Ohio limits are basically 70. We all go pushing 80. No one will get noticed going 78 say. That’s the same deal with so called dress codes. They aren’t enforced. And hence no rule is broken. Due to no rule to begin with.

 

[kylenne]

Man all we need is smoking, tipping and dogs and we'll have landed the Disboards locked thread quadruple lutz

In all seriousness, Disney very rarely enforces dress code rules at signatures from what I've seen. V&As is the only one that really does. Everywhere else, folk will roll up however and get seated. It is what it is.

 

[hertamaniac]

Actually. No. It doesn’t. The officer HAS to observe the violation for it to be illegal. That’s why cameras for enforcement have been and are becoming illegal. And even then. You have the spirit of the law which gives the officer the option to issue a warning. Speeding isn’t inherently against the law. So short answer. It is constitutionally allowable to speed. Just don’t let the officer see you or they MAY issue a citation. Ohio limits are basically 70. We all go pushing 80. No one will get noticed going 78 say. That’s the same deal with so called dress codes. They aren’t enforced. And hence no rule is broken.

And when the DOT engineers made the road with grading, turn radius, ascent/descent they created a safe speed limit for vehicles. The fact that there is/is-not a cop there is completely irrelevant to a posted and calculated speed limit. It exists for driver/passenger/pedestrian safety.

 

[TeresaWen]

I’m going to brunch at California Grill this Sunday. I’m going to ask if anything has changed recently.

last time we were there the manager came over to chat and gave us his card. I’ll ask for him.

 

[eeyoreandtink]

Actually. No. It doesn’t. The officer HAS to observe the violation for it to be illegal. That’s why cameras for enforcement have been and are becoming illegal. And even then. You have the spirit of the law which gives the officer the option to issue a warning. Speeding isn’t inherently against the law. So short answer. It is constitutionally allowable to speed. Just don’t let the officer see you or they MAY issue a citation. Ohio limits are basically 70. We all go pushing 80. No one will get noticed going 78 say. That’s the same deal with so called dress codes. They aren’t enforced. And hence no rule is broken. Due to no rule to begin with.

No, it's still ILLEGAL. The officer has to see it to enforce a PENALTY, very different. That's like saying murder is only illegal if they can prove it. It isn't constitutionally allowable to speed because speed limits are state laws and it is not constitutional to violate any duly established state law. Camera and air enforcement are still legal in most of the United States. There is no federal statute prohibiting it, and as far as I know the supreme court hasn't heard a case on it.

And when the DOT engineers made the road with grading, turn radius, ascent/descent they created a safe speed limit for vehicles. The fact that there is/is-not a cop there is completely irrelevant to a posted and calculated speed limit. It exists for driver/passenger/pedestrian safety.

this exactly. It is still the law.

 

[Disneypro1]

No, it's still ILLEGAL. The officer has to see it to enforce a PENALTY, very different. That's like saying murder is only illegal if they can prove it. It isn't constitutionally allowable to speed because speed limits are state laws and it is not constitutional to violate any duly established state law. Camera and air enforcement are still legal in most of the United States. There is no federal statute prohibiting it, and as far as I know the supreme court hasn't heard a case on it.

You are incorrect. If speeding was against the LAW. The officer could not warn you. Like say... Robbing a bank. The officer can’t warn you because there is an actual LAW. Only the courts could drop those charges and or a prosecutor. Believe it or not. Speed limits are for safety. Not LAW. That is why there is leeway. And you are not even guilty after you get the ticket. A judge has to agree with that. You can fight a speeding ticket. In any case. There are many actual laws... speeding doesn’t actually break any of those.
In Ohio cameras were deemed violation of 4th amendment. That’s coming nationwide within the next few years. Just look at all the successful lawsuits against Florida’s cameras. It’s an attorney goldmine.

 

[atkinstogram]

Man all we need is smoking, tipping and dogs and we'll have landed the Disboards locked thread quadruple lutz

In all seriousness, Disney very rarely enforces dress code rules at signatures from what I've seen. V&As is the only one that really does. Everywhere else, folk will roll up however and get seated. It is what it is.

Oooh, whilst you're on the subject, I never did find out how much to tip my "service animal" to sneak some smokes into the parks for me..

Any recommendations?

 

[Disneypro1]

In the end though. Folks can wear what they want. Disney couldn’t care less. So who cares.

 

[atkinstogram]

 

[Disneypro1]

Oooh, whilst you're on the subject, I never did find out how much to tip my "service animal" to sneak some smokes into the parks for me..

Any recommendations?

That’s not a bad idea. Actually

 

[Sephrina]

But not sure why the phrase about t-shirts with offensive language is still there since they are not part of the dress code.

Because the dress code does not address tops for women, except with this statement - Not permitted are tank tops, flip-flops, swimsuits, swimsuit cover-ups, hats for gentlemen, cut-offs, torn clothing and t-shirts with offensive language and/or graphics.

 

[TeresaWen]

In the end though. Folks can wear what they want. Disney couldn’t care less. So who cares.

I don’t know. Sounding like Disney may be looking to up their standards at some of the signatures. The dress code language was removed for the restaurants in parks and modified for some in the hotels. Time will tell.

 

[marikujawa]

Maybe I’m not that observant - or maybe my standards are too low - but I really don’t see many poorly-dressed people at the resort or DS signatures. It seems to be more of a hypothetical problem for posters here than an actual problem at Disney.

With the exception of a few safety rules, Disney is notoriously reticent when it comes to stating its policies clearly and unambiguously. That’s why no one knows what to wear, where or how long they can park, how many people can accompany a pass holder at the dedicated entrance, whether everyone needs a FastPass to use Rider Switch, etc. Most people are going to act (and dress) reasonably and Disney counts on that. There’s simply no benefit to them to come down hard on the few who don’t.

 

[TeresaWen]

Funny..,in the past two weeks I received about four surveys from Disney. On each was a question asking if the behavior of other guests negatively impacted my visit.

 

[Disneypro1]

I don’t know. Sounding like Disney may be looking to up their standards at some of the signatures. The dress code language was removed for the restaurants in parks and modified for some in the hotels. Time will tell.

Fair enough.
If they pass a rule so to speak. And enforce that. I would adhere to it. But if they don’t care....then neither will its guests.

 

[eeyoreandtink]

You are incorrect. If speeding was against the LAW. The officer could not warn you. Like say... Robbing a bank. The officer can’t warn you because there is an actual LAW. Only the courts could drop those charges and or a prosecutor. Believe it or not. Speed limits are for safety. Not LAW. That is why there is leeway. And you are not even guilty after you get the ticket. A judge has to agree with that. You can fight a speeding ticket. In any case. There are many actual laws... speeding doesn’t actually break any of those.
In Ohio cameras were deemed violation of 4th amendment. That’s coming nationwide within the next few years. Just look at all the successful lawsuits against Florida’s cameras. It’s an attorney goldmine.

Robbing a bank is a FELONY. Speeding is a MISDEMEANOR. That is the difference. Both are illegal. You can get a misdemeanor warning for any misdomener crime. You can get a warning for being drunk in public too, it is against the law. You can fight a murder charge. Speed limits are law.