BWV preferred "view"

[mickey7861]

Unfortunately at BWV most times booking a standard view isn't an option, there are so many more preferred units that most times if you want to stay at BWV , you'll be paying preferred. Ofcourse that's the same point cost as all the views at VWL and BCV, parking lot/ dumpster included.
The way I understood this situation is that all BWV rooms were based on the higher point schedule, just like the VWL and BCV, then some of the lesser views were re-designated as standard. I got this from a conversation I had with a BCV manager after a "bad" stay there. One of my complaints was that the view from our unit was of a slimy green canal and service entrance/parking lot and I asked why they didn't have standard rooms. He said they've stayed away from designating units standard since BWV because it didn't lessen the complaints although he agreed that the view would have definitly been a standard at BWV (guess not since I had the slimy canal ).

 

[Dean]

Nope....this couldn't be further from the truth. And by saying "we disagree", are you referring to everyone on this board ? I feel a little ganged-up on here Dean....lol Sorry, just stating my opinions here.
Again, what upsets me, is that MS/BWV does not specify anywhere (at least not that I can see), that a parking lot view (particularily 80% of the view) is considered preferred. I knew I had no chance of a BW view and was fine with that. A pool view would have been nice, or just about anything without a parking lot and service vehicle entrance. Maybe had I been informed that I was risking my "preferred" points for a parking lot view, I would have opted to stay elsewhere. Sorry, but the view is important to me to a certain degree. I know others feel differently.
Sorry I caused such a debate here......if you read my original post in this thread, this is exactly what I didn't want to do.
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I think all members on DIS of any length of time know, or should have known, that "preferred view" had little meaning other than not of the front entrance. Still, all have been reminded now, LOL. You didn't want a debate, but you've debated, that's good too. Nothing like a good lively discussion. I can't see in your heart or mind or your body language but your posts come across repeatedly as being upset you got a poor view and we'ren't happy with it's value. That's fine too but then you keep saying it's not so onone hand then defending a higher definition of preferred view than was ever intended by DVC. What you got is a "garden view" sounds like.

 

[Shamus]

Originally posted by Dean
I think all members on DIS of any length of time know, or should have known, that "preferred view" had little meaning other than not of the front entrance. Still, all have been reminded now, LOL. You didn't want a debate, but you've debated, that's good too. Nothing like a good lively discussion. I can't see in your heart or mind or your body language but your posts come across repeatedly as being upset you got a poor view and we'ren't happy with it's value. That's fine too but then you keep saying it's not so onone hand then defending a higher definition of preferred view than was ever intended by DVC. What you got is a "garden view" sounds like.

As a reader/member of the DIS since March of 1998 and daily reader of this board, I guess I missed all the post stating where the change over from "Standard View" to "Preferred View" takes place at the area in question. Yes I know the views of the prior "Activity Lawn" now DVC Sales trailers are "Preferred". Yes I know that the views of the rear of Leaping Horse Libations are also "Preferred". But until recently every reference I had heard to the area across from the Tennis Courts, had been that these were "Standard View". Granted maybe that was a wrong assumption, but if appears to be one shared by others on this board.

Does anyone on this board know where the changeover takes place? I figured since some people know what DVC's intentions are, maybe they are privy to that information also.

The last three or four rooms in that section could very well be "Preferred", but again, until recently, I never recall seeing that information posted here or anywhere else for that matter.

Shamus

 

[Ms. WDW]

disneyberry ) Hi!

Where did you get the information on what rooms were standard and which were preferred? I'm just curious.

Linda

 

[MiaSRN62]

I think all members on DIS of any length of time know, or should have known, that "preferred view" had little meaning other than not of the front entrance. Still, all have been reminded now, LOL.

Well Dean.....if you are insinuating that I'm dense or something because I missed the "message" of which are preferred vs standard rooms, then whatever. You can see how long I've been on the boards from my sig and I (honestly) never knew preferred included parking lot. Like I said before, a month before I left, I asked opinions from people here on the DVC boards about what sort of preferred views there are. NOONE even hinted at parking lot view so I suppose there are lots of us dense folk out there

You didn't want a debate, but you've debated, that's good too. Nothing like a good lively discussion.

Yep....I've felt I've had to explain and explain again about the point I was trying to make because some are not quite grasping what I'm trying to convey here. So I did do a little defending of my original point, yes, but that's because I felt like I had to. If some would have understood better what I've been trying (I think in vain) to convey here, then this would not have been necessary.

then defending a higher definition of preferred view than was ever intended by DVC.

Not correct Dean. I don't care if MS/BWV wants to consider room 4131 a preferred view (I repeatedly said I accepted it), but what I am asking is that they stipulate somewhere in the guidebook or on the DVC web site that (specifically) "some preferred views may include full view of a parking lot" so that we all (even us dense ones) can make an informed decision to spend our preferred points in this matter. I would simply like a revision of the description of "preferred" so this doesn't happen to others. Heck, it would make life simpler for MS and BW too. They wouldn't have to waste time explaining things like this to me and others who have experienced the same.

 

[MiaSRN62]

What you got is a "garden view" sounds like.

Thanks.....I'm assuming this or "water" view also.

Does anyone on this board know where the changeover takes place? I figured since some people know what DVC's intentions are, maybe they are privy to that information also.

Shamus, I'm going to include this question in my letter to MS and BWV. It may be awhile before I get a reply, but I'll let u know what they say.

 

[mikeymars]

Hmmmm...from my 28th floor office here in Manhattan, I can clearly make out the remains of a once big puddle by the corner or 54th and 3rd Ave. In general, that block is an eyesore of tired discount stores, but since water is visible, I guess Disney would categorize it as a "preferred view."

 

[Dean]

Well Dean.....if you are insinuating that I'm dense or something because I missed the "message" of which are preferred vs standard rooms, then whatever. You can see how long I've been on the boards from my sig and I (honestly) never knew preferred included parking lot. Like I said before, a month before I left, I asked opinions from people here on the DVC boards about what sort of preferred views there are. NOONE even hinted at parking lot view so I suppose there are lots of us dense folk out there

Not at all. Simply that the "many rooms do not warrant the designation" has been discussed at lenth multiple times in the past. I don't know if you've seen the discussions or not.

Not correct Dean. I don't care if MS/BWV wants to consider room 4131 a preferred view (I repeatedly said I accepted it), but what I am asking is that they stipulate somewhere in the guidebook or on the DVC web site that (specifically) "some preferred views may include full view of a parking lot" so that we all (even us dense ones) can make an informed decision to spend our preferred points in this matter. I would simply like a revision of the description of "preferred" so this doesn't happen to others. Heck, it would make life simpler for MS and BW too. They wouldn't have to waste time explaining things like this to me and others who have experienced the same.

Maybe I didn't present myseslf very well. Let me try again. Here's what I hear you saying.

Some of the units that are designated as preferred view don't measure up. You can fill in the blank as to how or why they don't measure up.

I feel you made that point clear initially. If I misunderstood, I apologize. My point was that the expecations may have been too high in the first place for one to look at it this way. That's why I said the "preferred" designation is not the appropriate one. Maybe Regular and (sub) Standardwould be better. Regardless, sorry you took offense at my post, it wasn't intended to be such.

 

[MiaSRN62]

Here's what I hear you saying.

quote:

Some of the units that are designated as preferred view don't measure up. You can fill in the blank as to how or why they don't measure up.

This topic must be getting to me, but I don't recall saying this Dean ? I just checked all my posts ?

My point was that the expecations may have been too high in the first place for one to look at it this way. That's why I said the "preferred" designation is not the appropriate one. Maybe Regular and (sub) Standardwould be better

I apologize for beating a dead horse here, but it's not the word/designation "preferred" that gets me. It's the lack of the word "parking lot" on page 52 of the member guidebook (or any mention of parking lots anywhere), when MS attempts to describe the word "preferred". This, I feel, is lacking full disclosure to us, the Members ? They chose to classify "preferred view" as "pool, BW, garden or water". Well, I did get "water" in the form of the canal, but I think they sneakily/conveniently snuck that huge parking lot in there too If they're not going to mention parking lot in that description in the book, then they just shouldn't mention "pool, garden, water or BW" either. Either be 100% forthright, or just keep silent and say simply "preferred"and keep us all totally guessing.
My room would have been terrific and I would have gleefully paid the preferred points had that darn big 'ole valet lot & service driveway not been there to ruin the view. So I don't feel my expectations were too high....I feel they were reasonable according to the description on page 52 of the guidebook & from what I've read here over the past couple months ?

so i guess the question is, are the rooms that face the tennis courts (and parking lot in the distance) considered standard view?

I guess you're right disneyberry. I understood what you "mapped" out there with the "J". I was at the left bottom corner of that "J", as you know. Those rooms, I found out yesterday, they consider preferred.
I'll be honest and say I didn't even see the tennis courts from my vantage point, but I think that's because the parking lot dominated the view. Maybe I just overlooked them ? Are the tennis courts behind the valet lot ? Are they closer to the inner circle where you check in ?

 

[Dean]

Maybe I did misunderstand, sorry if that's so.

 

[MiaSRN62]

Maybe I did misunderstand, sorry if that's so.

That's ok Dean ........no prob. I do appreciate you taking an interest in my plight at least. Even if we don't agree 100%

 

[Lesley]

I guess my point in mentioning the dumpster view at VWL was to show that, yes, I too have paid high points for a bad view....there is no standard view anywhere other than BWV. You can pay just as much for a bad view at VWL or BCV.

And I totally hear you about not going back to the front desk to have the room changed. Our first visit "home" to BWV we were given a room that hadn't been cleaned or maintained well (the door fell off our kitchenette cabinet and the air intake vent was filthy) but we were all sick so we stayed there. Honestly, I wish I had requested a room change or re-cleaning because I think the room helped make us sicker (dirty vents....bad air....my kids are very sensitive to this!).

And I'm hearing that x123 is the last of the standard view rooms? It is the one right on the corner....so I guess the bedroom balcony view would be considered preferred but the kitchen balcony view would be standard.

I certainly see your problem with what is said in the member guidebook...though I don't think that any of the hotels list parking lots in their views even when they are there. I believe parking lot views are referred to as "garden" views most of the time (though this is a misnomer as well....we've had some lovely garden views that were actually of gardens!) DVC should definitely be more forthright about what constitutes a standard or preferred view. Okay, sorry, I actually went back and read the portion of the guidebook you mentioned....it does say "preferred view includes views of the boardwalk, pools, water or garden". Includes, to me, doesn't necessarily say that's all you'll see....though, yes, I think its intentionally misleading. But they really aren't going to list parking lots, dumpsters and service roads in the description either.

 

[MiaSRN62]

I guess my point in mentioning the dumpster view at VWL was to show that, yes, I too have paid high points for a bad view....

But the preferred view category at BWV at least insinuates that such views (ie dumpsters, parking lots), are not included in their description. I, perhaps, would have chosen to not spend the preferred point difference had I known I had a 50/50 chance of getting a parking lot and service driveway as my main view. As corny as this sounds, I guess the "preferred" classification made me think I was getting something better than what the "standard" view could offer. I know....it's silly and naive of me to think this !
But in truth, there's a good chance you'll get pretty much a standard view in some cases.

though, yes, I think its intentionally misleading. But they really aren't going to list parking lots, dumpsters and service roads in the description either.

This really sums it up I think Leslie. I agree.....BWV is never going to openly admit that their "preferrred view" could include any of the above as I've thought about it. No other DVC resort, specifically and/or purposefully lists what they consider preferred or standard (ie dumpster view at VWL). I guess the problem comes in with BWV/MS listing only what they want us to know, as classified preferred views. Now, with the GF or Poly (for instance) when they list garden or water/lagoon view, does anyone know if these include parking lots ? If they do....then I guess that says it all & I have not a leg to stand on here.
But at least I'll know for the future how to specifically word my requests with BWV and I'll let this topic rest.

 

[CaliforniaDreaming]

Yes, you can see the parking lot from some garden view rooms at the Polynesian. No parking lot views at the GF from garden view rooms, but there are some from concierge rooms! Same at the YC & BC, Concierge Garden View faces the parking lot or garden areas.

 

[MiaSRN62]

but there are some from concierge rooms! Same at the YC & BC, Concierge Garden View faces the parking lot or garden areas.

Had a feeling someone was gonna say this. Jeez, is all I can say. Someone paying concierge rates gets parking lot view ? Is the view of the parking lot a big portion of it or just a glimpse ? But this ends my futile argument, because if they can charge concierge for this view, what's the big deal of preferred DVC points in their eyes I suppose. And I'm sure WDW doesn't disclose to guests who are booking these Poly and GF rooms that they could get parking lot----but I bet when these people check-in, they are a little taken aback if they weren't prepared for it via word-of-mouth or whatever. Oh well......like I said, I've learned a great deal here.

 

[Lori in CNY]

I've been reading all of this thread with a great deal of interest because I have my first stay at BWV booked. Since this is not my home resort, I booked 7 months out and was only able to get the preferred view.

Lucky for me I read these DIS boards and have for many many years. I feel for the individuals who do not. After all this change occured with the views and the way you receive them if asking for them at time of booking I have to ask myself, what about the people that are loyal DVC Members but not frequent computer users?? Is this really fair to them??

I know you'll be glad to hear this but after all this "stuff" (and I use that term only to be politically correct) that has gone on here in the past couple of weeks regarding the BW-the views vs. the points paid for views, I will not likely be staying here again in the too near future. All this debate makes me want to shy away as it becomes so overwhelming. sorry but just my opinion

 

[CaliforniaDreaming]

At the GF Concierge, the rooms that have a view of the parking lot, would have the valet lot on the right, the theme pool ahead, and the lagoon to the left. At the YC & BC Concierges, straight ahead would be the front entrance & parking lot.

 

[MiaSRN62]

I know you'll be glad to hear this but after all this "stuff" (and I use that term only to be politically correct) that has gone on here in the past couple of weeks regarding the BW-the views vs. the points paid for views, I will not likely be staying here again in the too near future. All this debate makes me want to shy away as it becomes so overwhelming. sorry but just my opinion

Lori, thanks for jumping in to the discussion. I can understand your hesitation, but I, for one, refuse to let this stop me in the future if I feel like staying at BWV again. The way I look at it is this. These discussions we all have help us to understand the system a little better. If you do end up paying preferred points, just be as specific with MS as you can be. Most likely you won't get a BW view with the new system they've enacted (and I can totally understand that Members who have BWV as their "home" resort should get first bids), but make sure you specifically request NOT to have any parking lot/driveway views as your primary request. This way, hopefully, you'll get a pool view. Honestly, I don't feel the parking lot views would be bad if it was standard, but I'd prefer to have a pool view for preferred points.

At the GF Concierge, the rooms that have a view of the parking lot, would have the valet lot on the right, the theme pool ahead, and the lagoon to the left. At the YC & BC Concierges, straight ahead would be the front entrance & parking lot.

Wow....I'm suprised Y&B concierge doesn't face Crescent Lake/BWV ? This is suprising and I would have figured that would the case. Thanks CaliforniaDreaming for that info.

 

[CaliforniaDreaming]

YC/BC's Concierge Water View rooms face the lake/BW. The Garden View rooms are on the other side, which would face the parking lot.

But, you have to remember, the cheaper view at these hotels face the parking lot. The more expensive views face the water (pool or lake). So, shouldn't preferred view at the BW do the same? Wonder if any of the BWI's water/pool view rooms have a view of a parking area?

 

[MiaSRN62]

But, you have to remember, the cheaper view at these hotels face the parking lot. The more expensive views face the water (pool or lake). So, shouldn't preferred view at the BW do the same?

Well you know you get no argument from me