BWV Availability During October....Give it to me straight...

kristenrice

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Standard view...

2BR at 11 months for 7 nights??

What about a studio for 3 nights (Sat-Tue) at 7 months???

Finally, chances for a 1BR for 4 nights (Tues-Sat) at 7 months??

Just trying to figure out our options with and without BWV points:flower3:.
 
I tried to walk for the first week of Food & Wine, but failed miserably. I'd put chances near zero; it will all be booked up before 7 months comes around.
 
For BWV standard view, chances are very low for Oct at 7 months out except a 1BR has some chance of being open for four nights, although even that is highly unlikely if time desired is between the Thursday before Columbus day and the Monday the week after Columbus Day. Oct is the second highest DVC demand month of the year next to Dec and that middle Oct period is among the extremely high DVC demand times of the year. Even at 11 months out you can face issues at times for standard studios and 2BRs at BWV in Oct because of a risk that those with start dates shortly before yours fill your start date before you can reserve at 11 months out, particularly if you want that middle Oct period.
 
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Getting a standard room at the 11 month window gets harder each year. Keep in mind that standard studios go first and since BWV 2 bedrooms are lock offs, it needs a standard studio to combine with a standard 1 bedroom. This is why the standard 1 bedrooms are always last to go. This year I booked my standard studio at exactly 11 months at 8:00AM. By 8:02AM, the first night was sold out. I arrive on the 23rd for a 2 week stay. I booked a standard studio for my daughter arriving on Oct. 30, which also sold out quickly. You may be able to book the 2 bedroom standard at the 11 month window if booking online. As for the 7 month window, I doubt it, though you might be lucky enough to get the pool/preferred view rooms. This is one resort that you need to own at to get into certain times of the year, and even that isn't always possible. I added on points at this resort shortly after becoming a member just to secure October reservations.
 

We only stay Sat. night now in a studio at BWV (sometimes standard, sometimes BW view) for F&W, and then move to BLT. I have been "walking" that one night reservation even though I own there....people made me nervous about not being able to get my one night at 11 months out. Very doubtful that you can secure what you want at 7 months....but anything is possible. But if you really have your heart set on being there, add on a smaller contract via resale.

However, you also state wanting a 2 bedroom at 11 months out for 7 nights. That should be possible, although you may have to "walk" it. Not really sure if it is necessary. Now that the RAT is available, it will be easier to watch the trending (although not until end of Oct. 2015 for the beginning of F&W for 2016).

n2mm.....how did you like your BCV stay? Do you like BWV better or about the same?
 
Here's what I'm thinking...

I will have just enough BWV points to secure a 2BR standard for a Sat-Sat for my parents and sister's family. The back up plan will be a standard 2BR at AKV-Kidani (which should be available right at 7 months, I hope) for only 2 points less. My family has points at AKV and HHI so I will plan to do a split-stay for us starting with a value 1BR for 3 nights at AKV (booked at 11 months), then a standard 1BR at BWV for 4 nights which will be booked at 7 months. If it is not available, I will waitlist it and book a 1BR standard at Kidani as a back up.

If my family cannot get the 1BR, we may drop the last 4 nights off the other 2BR reservation at BWV and move them into the 2BR at AKV. If my family does luck out and get the 1BR, then the others may opt to join us at AKV for the first three nights in either a 2BR standard, OR (2) savanna view studios, depending on availability. Oh, and the dates we are looking at are October 15-22, 2016.

....it never hurts to have a back up plan...or several:rotfl2:.
 
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n2mm.....how did you like your BCV stay? Do you like BWV better or about the same?

Thanks for asking. Our BCV stay was fine. The room(s) were in need of a refurb, but the location was good. Our family arrived a week later and was in a room next to ours. We both had dedicated studios, so were side by side. That was great. My husband likes BCV more while I like BWV. As for parking we all know BCV wins that hands down. One of the big draws at BCV is SAB, and we just don't care for it. Too loud, noisey, crowded. During our 18 days at BCV we only went to SAB twice and only for a few hours. We are fans of the quiet pools. I like BWV quiet pool the best.
 
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Here's what I'm thinking...

I will have just enough BWV points to secure a 2BR standard for a Sat-Sat for my parents and sister's family. The back up plan will be a standard 2BR at AKV-Kidani (which should be available right at 7 months, I hope) for only 2 points less. My family has points at AKV and HHI so I will plan to do a split-stay for us starting with a value 1BR for 3 nights at AKV (booked at 11 months), then a standard 1BR at BWV for 4 nights which will be booked at 7 months. If it is not available, I will waitlist it and book a 1BR standard at Kidani as a back up.

If my family cannot get the 1BR, we may drop the last 4 nights off the other 2BR reservation at BWV and move them into the 2BR at AKV. If my family does luck out and get the 1BR, then the others may opt to join us at AKV for the first three nights in either a 2BR standard, OR (2) savanna view studios, depending on availability. Oh, and the dates we are looking at are October 15-22, 2016.

....it never hurts to have a back up plan...or several:rotfl2:.
We closed on our BWV resale in feb this year-at 8 months out there was no avail for any type of studio (and therefore no 2 bedrooms either) for the same week you are looking at for 2016-we initially wait listed for both standard and pool view but it didn't come through before the 7 month window and we changed to poly at exactly 7 months. I don't think there were any 1 bedrooms avail at BWV for that week either at 8 months but I could be mistaken (we were only looking to book a studio). However anything is possible and I have read of people in the boards finding avail later on and/or waitlist a coming through so you could get lucky
 
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At 7 months, what would my chances be for a Mon-Fri (5 nights) in a 1BR Pool/Garden view? We could drop down to a studio at AKV, but I'd prefer to be in a studio for only 2 nights instead of 3. We would have enough points to do 2 nights in a value studio (a.k.a. "The Closet":rotfl2:) and then we'd have exactly enough points for a preferred 1BR for 5 nights at BWV.

I'm just thinking a lot of this through and trying to be realistic. Of the 10 of us that are going, I am the only one who has ever stayed at BWV. Ironically, it was in a 1BR standard view booked at 7 months for October 2011 for three nights...without a waitlist:thumbsup2. Everyone else has stayed at AKV and OKW only so we'd like to try something new if we can. We all love AKV too so that is a fine back up plan.
 
At 7 months, what would my chances be for a Mon-Fri (5 nights) in a 1BR Pool/Garden view?......(snip)...........

IMO, you have a reasonable chance (no guarantees, of course, but you know that). I'm assuming you'l book online as soon as the window opens.

In your favor - you're booking a Saturday arrival AFTER Columbus Day & you want a 1 bedroom & you are OK with a Pool/Garden villa.

Good luck!
 
At 7 months, what would my chances be for a Mon-Fri (5 nights) in a 1BR Pool/Garden view? We could drop down to a studio at AKV, but I'd prefer to be in a studio for only 2 nights instead of 3. We would have enough points to do 2 nights in a value studio (a.k.a. "The Closet":rotfl2:) and then we'd have exactly enough points for a preferred 1BR for 5 nights at BWV.

I'm just thinking a lot of this through and trying to be realistic. Of the 10 of us that are going, I am the only one who has ever stayed at BWV. Ironically, it was in a 1BR standard view booked at 7 months for October 2011 for three nights...without a waitlist:thumbsup2. Everyone else has stayed at AKV and OKW only so we'd like to try something new if we can. We all love AKV too so that is a fine back up plan.

Chances during the week are probably better, especially if you are avoiding the Columbus Day weekend. Also, I always check the Jewish calendar for Rosh Hashannah and Yom Kippur. In 2016, Columbus Day is Mon. Oct. 10, Yom Kippur Tues. Oct. 11. Rosh Hashannah is Oct. 2. Some schools may have an extended long weekend that year...just something to keep in mind.

It is a good idea to have back up plans and realize, too, that you might not get what you want. But at least you will be happy with your alternate plans.
 
Last question...since we are probably doing a points transfer and want to make sure we have enough, would you say that our chances of ANY 2BR (preferred or standard) are pretty solid at 9am at the 11 month window? The transferred points are not my UY so I will not be able to book online.
 
11 months @ 9:00am you should be able to get a preferred view 2 bedroom. Standard most likely will be gone.
 
Last question...since we are probably doing a points transfer and want to make sure we have enough, would you say that our chances of ANY 2BR (preferred or standard) are pretty solid at 9am at the 11 month window? The transferred points are not my UY so I will not be able to book online.

For a 2BR, standard and boardwalk view have possible risk otherwise, but pool/garden view should definitely be open if you book 11 months out.
 
Thank you everyone for your input:thanks:. After discussing it with the family, we have decided to take the risk and go for the standard 2BR at 11 months. If we end up at AKV instead, we will still have a great trip:thumbsup2. There is only a 2 point difference between the 2BR std at BWV and a 2BR std at AKV....and the room at Kidani is much better suited for them.

Explain to me (one more time...sorry:eek:) how I would go about walking this reservation. Since it would be using transferred points, I would have to call anyways. When do I start and how often would I need to call?
 
in 2013 & 2014 I made our reservations for Oct/Nov stay at our home resorts. I was able to change at the 7 month to BWV. Both stays were in a one-bedroom for 14 days. It can be done, but it is luck of the draw. I did have to tweet my days a little...move them forward a few days. Good luck!
 
11 mos out for anything is your best shot at BWV in Oct.
 
[W]e have decided to take the risk and go for the standard 2BR at 11 months. If we end up at AKV instead, we will still have a great trip:thumbsup2. There is only a 2 point difference between the 2BR std at BWV and a 2BR std at AKV....and the room at Kidani is much better suited for them.

Explain to me (one more time...sorry:eek:) how I would go about walking this reservation. Since it would be using transferred points, I would have to call anyways. When do I start and how often would I need to call?

The theory behind walking a reservation is that you can book before 11 months out and lock in your start date before anyone actually reserving exactly 11 months out usually reserves that start date and by doing so you can block out others for your room and can drop and add nights thereafter. Thus, if your start date for the week or two weeks is Oct 15, 2016, then on November 9, 2015, you would call and book 7 nights, Oct 9-16, 2016. That locks in the first night, Oct 15, that you actually want. The particular room space assigned to you can thereafter not be booked by anyone calling from Nov 9 to Nov 15 for the night of Oct 16 or after because they cannot get your particular room space for any nights before Oct 16. Simple example: assume there are only two rooms and you book one for Oct 9-16. Anyone else calling from Nov 9-15, can only get the other room because you are blocking out those Oct 9 through 15 nights for your room.

Thus, once you have that start date, you can call after Nov 9 and drop and add nights until you have all the nights you want because by calling MS you can do that drop and add to your reservation without losing it. Theoretically, you could actually wait until Nov 15, and on that date call and drop the nights Oct 9 through 14, keep 15, and add the nights of 16 through 21, giving a departure date of Oct 22 and then on Nov 21, call and add the nights of Oct 22 through 28 with a departure date of Oct 28, and thereafter call and add the last night you need for the two weeks. I say theorectially because others recommend that you actually call daily to to drop and add a night once you have locked in your start date because, though your intial reservation blocks out other members from reserving your room for time after Oct 15, it does not block out the possibility that there may be some room space designated to be out of service Oct 16 and after, and thus there is a possibility that others could lock in all available room space after Oct 15 by reserving during Nov 10 through 15. Moreover, waiting till Nov 15 to make the drop and add does not block off one other possibility -- Disney's reserving rooms for its own use before 11 months out. Disney retains a portion of each resort and can reserve room space under the same rules applicable to members at 11 monthsa out. Two years ago I discovered a questionable activity. When looking for the availability of AKV Jambo GV's for Thanksgiving at 11 months out from the Sunday before Thanksgiving, I found that they were open for the Sun, Mon and Tues of Thanksgiving week but full for Wednesday and Thanskgiving night. That is an impossibility if members are following the 11 month window, i.e., they could not possibly get Wed and Thurs at 11 months out from the Sun unless they also got Sun through Tues. I also considered it highly unlikely that any of the GV's would be designated for being out of service for the Wed and Thurs of Thanksgiving week at more than 11 months out (I guess I am just suspicious that way). I sent emails to both MS and the DVC Member Satisfaction group, twice, questioning what was happening and both times got the standard we have received the email and will get back to you response, and they never did; the next year the GV's did not disappear before 11 months out at Thanksgiving. In other words, I am in the camp that if you are going to go through the bother of walking, make the changes to your reservation daily if you want to guarantee the walking process will work and eliminate all risk otherwise.


You should note, however, you could have a different walking issue if your actual start date is Oct 15. Oct 9 is the Sun of Columbus Day weekend, a weekend when there is some risk that nights could disappear for standard studios and 2BRs before 11 months out. In essence, you may have to search for a date, such as Nov 11, 12, or 13, to actually start the walking process for time in Oct. There is also the possibility of "extreme" walking which I have learned members have done for AKV club level studios and 2BRs which are gone exactly 11 months out about 80% of the year. They hnave some planned stay, such as your Oct 15 and after and actually start looking for a date to start walking during the slower DVC demand times in mid to late July and once they find a start date, reserve a number of nights and then walk for months until they have the days they want. I do not think that is needed for BWV for any category of room.
 
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I'm constantly confused by the number of times I read how hard it is to get BWV at 11 months. Perhaps it's the weekend portion that's the most difficult (i.e., for a week-long stay)?

I called 11 months prior to my desired dates for 2015, shortly after the office opened. I wanted to stay October 18 (Sunday *after* Columbus Day) to the 23rd (Friday - so 5 nights, Sun-Thurs). I had absolutely no issues. I got a standard 1-bedroom, no problem. I got another standard 1 bedroom, no problem. I got a *third* standard 1 bedroom, no problem. I got a FOURTH room, though this was a Boardwalk view 2-bedroom - again, no problem.

So ..... why am I able, year after year, to get exactly the room(s) I want with no issues? Going back, I can find evidence that I've gone to WDW 13 out of the last 15 years and I've never had difficulties getting the room I want. Only once have I stayed in November - otherwise, it's during October. But only once have I stayed over the weekend - so my advice is to not stay a full week! :-)
 
We've decided to try for a Sat-Sat (October 15-22) in a standard 2BR. I will be able to book this at 11 months, BUT since I'm using transferred points, I have to wait until 9am because I will have to call. Is this going to blow my chances? The fact that all of the 2BR's are lock-offs is what is going to hurt me isn't it? At that time of year, I don't even know if I could walk it since I would lose that one-hour window that the online bookers have. Ugh! I'm a little worried...but at least the back up shouldn't be an issue...a 2BR lockoff (or dedicated, if no L/O available) at AKV-Kidani.
 















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