BWV and BCV Points Are in Such Short Supply?!!!

[lat]

After reading all the recent posts on people's purchase of BWV and BCV pts, I decided to call MS today to get my point statement and figure out the BWV contracts to sell (have some BCV points too but still a little reluctant).

I talked to Timeshare Store yesterday regarding the prices on these and I am quite encouraged.

It just seems like there is such a short supply of points on these.

I spoke to my guide at Disney yesterday also, asking if they plan to raise the price on all the non-SSR resort points. He told me it is not raised yet, however, it is a moot point because there has not been any points available for any of the sold out resorts for almost 2 months except a few HH points at one point.

I asked about the points Disney bought back. He said he does not know what they did with them. Sometimes, Disney keeps them until they get a bigger number before they put it on the board for the guides to sell them.

I remember a few months back, there were tons of resales of BWV, and suddenly everything seems to just go no matter whether there are points in there or not.

It seems more and more people are buying DVC and they are selling at a faster and faster pace. My guide told me that 75% of the 4 buildings at SSR are already sold and the price increase does not seem to deter the people. Some of this may just be sales talk. But the resale activities are certainly very encouraging for people who need to sell.

 

[FLYNZ4]

I talked to my Disney salesman (VG?) today about resales, and he said that Disney only had resale 45 points at BWV, and none at BCV.

/Jim

 

[KANSAS]

christine
I think that BCV and BWV, points are more valuable than ever, for rental or purchase, becuase of their 11 month window

so many new SSRS & DVC II people,
are competing with previous dVC I owners, for 7 month window at BCV and BWV, right at 7 months

 

[JimC]

Our primary reason to buy BCV direct from Disney and buy it at all was to ensure the 11 month window at that location during December. We figured that ability to get what we wanted in the resale market would be very limited. And we prefer SAB and the BC/YC side of the Epcot resorts, so BWV was not a purchase option for us.

 

[lat]

Kansas, I agree with you on the availability of BWV and BCV now. I know Disney theme park divisions are supposedly doing very well, but I am still surprised how booked up BWV and BCV are this year.

I checked with MS yesterday re BWV and BCV, pretty much everything is taken up until the last week of August for the summer, October is all gone also, did not check September or December. Would not be surprised December is mostly gone. I remember last year, I was able to find things around this time still even for the summer, maybe not for BCV, but definitely for BWV.

 

[dianeschlicht]

Part of this has to do with those resorts being smaller. There are not as many points available for them to begin with. I would think in the not too distant future, BCV and VWL will be nearly impossible to get at the 7 month window for some time periods, because there just are not that many rooms available compared to BWV, OKW, and eventually, SSR.

 

[erikthewise]

I'm not sure what the point is here.

Points from DVC at sold-out resorts are supposed to be in short supply! That's what "sold-out" means. If anyone thought you could just ask DVC for points at any of the DVC resorts, they were mistaken. The handful of points that are available are from Right-of-First-Refusal repurchases, but they are not intended to provide a continuing sales program at sold-out resorts.

You might be surprised to find points at some resorts in short supply on the resale market, but that's not what was said.

Also the whole point system is designed to keep all the resorts nearly full all the time, in the sense that if all the points sold were used at DVC resorts, they would be about 95% occupied on the average. So it can't be too much of a shock to find the more popular resorts booked solid.

The SSR sales may be having an effect on availability. It's quite likely that there are more SSR members booking at other resorts than the reverse.

 

[lat]

I guess through the rambling, I did not make myself clear.

What I was saying is that the BWV and BCV points are in short supply in the resale market (unlike OKW, HH or VB, even some VWL), they are snapped up even if there are no current year's points, unlike earlier in the year when there were abundance of BWV resales.

The resales is also probably due to Disney now has nothing to supply for these sold out resorts vs. earlier in the year I was always told that if I want to buy more, just put the name down and my guide will get it for me at some point.

The reason seems to be the resorts are harder to book at 7 months window due to SSR sales in particular, so BWV and BCV's 11 months booking priority is getting more important.

 

[dianeschlicht]

It is true that the more folks in the system the more difficult it will be to get the in at the 7 month window at some resorts. I think that was made a bit worse the first half of this year because of all the SSR folks who could book at other resorts before theirs was actually available. I am a bit surprised that DVC decided not to excersise ROFR as much. It seems they are not interested in selling resale points any more.

 

[BWVDee]

Originally posted by lat
I guess through the rambling, I did not make myself clear.

What I was saying is that the BWV and BCV points are in short supply in the resale market (unlike OKW, HH or VB, even some VWL), they are snapped up even if there are no current year's points, unlike earlier in the year when there were abundance of BWV resales.

The resales is also probably due to Disney now has nothing to supply for these sold out resorts vs. earlier in the year I was always told that if I want to buy more, just put the name down and my guide will get it for me at some point.

The reason seems to be the resorts are harder to book at 7 months window due to SSR sales in particular, so BWV and BCV's 11 months booking priority is getting more important.

I do not ever remember an abundance of BWV resales on the market. I check the resales, especially BWV, on a pretty regular basis because it is my home resort and I like to keep all my pts at this resort, so I am always looking for possible additional pts. I can't recalll ever seeing an abundance of BWV resales.
BWV, although the 2nd largest DVC resort, has always had very few resales and when they do come up, they are snapped up very quickly.
I do agree with you on the 11 month window getting more and more important at BWV and BCV though. They are both very popular resorts.

 

[dianeschlicht]

Dee, there was a time early this year when there seemed to be a lot of BWV resales available. It was commented on by someone on the board, and I did check it out to see if it was true. I can't remember for sure, but it was very early in the year.

 

[BWVDee]

Originally posted by dianeschlicht
Part of this has to do with those resorts being smaller. There are not as many points available for them to begin with. I would think in the not too distant future, BCV and VWL will be nearly impossible to get at the 7 month window for some time periods, because there just are not that many rooms available compared to BWV, OKW, and eventually, SSR.

Not to be nit picking but you are contradicting yourself here. In the first sentence you say the reason there are so few BWV & BCV resales is because the resorts are smaller and there are not as many available pts to begin with. Then in the next sentence, you say that BWV along with OKW has many more rooms available??????? Can't be both ways.
BTW, BWV is the 2nd largest DVC resort after OKW. The reason for the few resales is primarily due to the popularity of this resort. This board represents only a very small % of DVC members and their opinions. It is obvious from the numbers in the "real world", BWV is a very popular resort for both DVC members and non DVC members.

 

[BWVDee]

Originally posted by dianeschlicht
Dee, there was a time early this year when there seemed to be a lot of BWV resales available. It was commented on by someone on the board, and I did check it out to see if it was true. I can't remember for sure, but it was very early in the year.

Well it must have been for a very brief time, because I totally missed and I do check BWV resales on a fairly regular basis.

 

[dianeschlicht]

Sorry to offend you Dee, but you ARE nit picking and took my quote out of context of the meaning. It is a FACT that VWL and BCV have far fewer rooms, and will be difficult to get in the future. It is also a FACT that OKW has the most rooms of those available now, and soon SSR will have the most, with OKW being second and BWV third. Does that satisfy you?

 

[Montana Disney Fan]

I just purchased SSR and immediately booked a week at BWV the first week of November (2-bedroom preferred view). That's only 5 months in advance so I was shocked it was open.

I looked at resale and found it very difficult also to get any BCV or BWV points in the range I was looking for. I decided to just purchase SSR new then take it year by year. We love Epcot so those two Epcot DVC properties would be our first choices but in reality, as long as we are on property, we don't care.

 

[dianeschlicht]

Originally posted by Montana Disney Fan
I just purchased SSR and immediately booked a week at BWV the first week of November (2-bedroom preferred view). That's only 5 months in advance so I was shocked it was open.

I looked at resale and found it very difficult also to get any BCV or BWV points in the range I was looking for. I decided to just purchase SSR new then take it year by year. We love Epcot so those two Epcot DVC properties would be our first choices but in reality, as long as we are on property, we don't care.

And that is the real beauty of DVC! I think the fear (on this board, anyway), is that as the membership grows, it might become very difficult to get into the smaller properties at the 7 moth window. It would be difficult for them to add to BCV or BWV because they are a bit land locked. I don't think there will be as much of a problem at BWV as there will be for BCV, since there are far fewer rooms there. The location between Epcot and MGM makes these two very popular locations.

 

[PamOKW]

The main reason people sell their DVC ownership is a life event -- death, divorce, etc. The older a property is, the more of these events will be effecting members and causing a sale. I think the disparity between a resale price and the $95 SSR price is probably causing WDW points to be snapped up when they become available. All of the resorts have very few points for sale as a percentage of the total available.

I've been thinking about trying to track point sales but haven't gotten serious about it. However, I happened to have the points for sale by TSS on 3/22/04 and just did a comparison to what is posted this morning. Not scientific but kind of interesting.

(I still haven't figured out how to properly post a table -- sorry)

5/21/04 3/22/04 % Sold
BCV 0 285 -285 100%
BWV 752 1852 -1100 59%
HHI 3032 3890 -858 22%
VWL 1160 1630 -470 29%
OKW 6057 11782 -5725 49%
SSR 250 250 N/A
Vero 3695 3155 540 +17%

It's also possible that DVC is stockpiling some points through ROFR. They may be waiting to get a supply and then raise the resale price when they offer them to members as an add-on. They did this with OKW points and made quite a few available at the time they opened the new buildings.

 

[LIFERBABE]

As someone who is always adding on, I can also say that BWV resale points were plentiful last year plus you could purchase from DVC.

BWV and BCV points dried up after the increase was announced.

 

[BWVDee]

Originally posted by dianeschlicht
Sorry to offend you Dee, but you ARE nit picking and took my quote out of context of the meaning. It is a FACT that VWL and BCV have far fewer rooms, and will be difficult to get in the future. It is also a FACT that OKW has the most rooms of those available now, and soon SSR will have the most, with OKW being second and BWV third. Does that satisfy you?

No actually it does not satisfy me. You still contradicted yourself; first it was BWV has so few resales because it is a small resort with less pts to sell; then in the next breath it is predicted to be not one of the resorts that the 11/7 month booking window will have the greatest impact because it is one of the largest resorts. It can not be considered one of the smallest resorts to prove one pt and one of the largest resorts to prove a different point. The size of BWV is what it is, it does not change regardless of what point you are trying to make.
If you had a different meaning to your post, that is fine, but it is certainly not the way the post reads!

 

[Michael623]

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