Bush's "conversation" w/troops staged

[TnKrBeLlA012]

The Iraqis just voted on a constitution a couple days ago, transparent. One, mind you, that they were already talking about ammending while the ink dried on their signatures. Let's not start patting ourselves on the back and declaring victory until every last soldier is brought home where they belong.

For the word success to be metioned would give Bush some credit in Iraq. Now we don't want to do that. We need to keep the focus on the real reasons. No weapons were found, Osma dosen't live there anymore, Iraqis lived just fine under Saddam. Forget all else. Keep the focus on the original reasons. That way we never can claim success or pat ourselves on the back. We didn't belong there in the first place. Is that what you want to hear? Will credit ever be given to our troops? Or is placing blame far more important????

 

[Teejay32]

Me three...but it's not a reason to stop the hunt or for the President to concede that he really doesn't give Bin Laden much thought.

In the Arab world, Bin Laden still has a major political following and is seen as a hero who attacked the "Great Satan". They see things differently than we do. Remember during Bush 41's first Gulf War? Ever though we beat Iraq out of Kuwait in less than a month, the Arab world saw the entire war as a win, just because Hussein stood up to America and held on as long as he did. Every day they hold on, even though they are obviously losing, is a win in their eyes. That's why Bin Laden is so dangerous. Every day he is alive, on the run, or even missing for that matter, he gives Al Queda and it's hundreds of sister groups hope.

That's what happens when you take your eyes of the prize...you get what happened in Spain or London...

too many problems. When we kill him, what's the response from that same Arab public? If we arrest him, does he have any shot of a fair trial; alternately, does the US go on trial as well? I'd rather let nature handle this one.

 

[Laugh O. Grams]

For the word success to be metioned would give Bush some credit in Iraq. Now we don't want to do that. We need to keep the focus on the real reasons. No weapons were found, Osma dosen't live there anymore, Iraqis lived just fine under Saddam. Forget all else. Keep the focus on the original reasons. That way we never can claim success or pat ourselves on the back. We didn't belong there in the first place. Is that what you want to hear? Will credit ever be given to our troops? Or is placing blame far more important????

Uh...no. I'm not placing blame, I'm hoping that some here are not celebrating too early. I want every last American soldier pulled out of Iraq immediately and I want Iraq to become a thriving democracy for all of the Arab world to behold. However, our brave soldiers are still over there, risking life and limb and I refuse to start the celebration until the Bush's mission du jour is complete. What's so wrong with that?

P.S. Bin Laden didn't live in Iraq...Hussien and Bin Laden hated each other like poison...just a little off topic FYI...

 

[TnKrBeLlA012]

Me three...but it's not a reason to stop the hunt or for the President to concede that he really doesn't give Bin Laden much thought.

In the Arab world, Bin Laden still has a major political following and is seen as a hero who attacked the "Great Satan". They see things differently than we do. Remember during Bush 41's first Gulf War? Ever though we beat Iraq out of Kuwait in less than a month, the Arab world saw the entire war as a win, just because Hussein stood up to America and held on as long as he did. Every day they hold on, even though they are obviously losing, is a win in their eyes. That's why Bin Laden is so dangerous. Every day he is alive, on the run, or even missing for that matter, he gives Al Queda and it's hundreds of sister groups hope.

That's what happens when you take your eyes of the prize...you get what happened in Spain or London...

I have to add this. You think Bin Laden is not a thought on the President's mind?? Don't give me a quote either. I don't think for one moment of the day this guy is not hunted down. We just want to focus on negative things. The media gets more accomplished when it shows issues that anger people. If Bin Laden was found could you imagine the dissapointment so many would have?

 

[Laugh O. Grams]

too many problems. When we kill him, what's the response from that same Arab public? If we arrest him, does he have any shot of a fair trial; alternately, does the US go on trial as well? I'd rather let nature handle this one.

Then I guess my response to you is keep your fingers crossed and think happy thoughts...

Now bring our kids home!!!

 

[Laugh O. Grams]

I have to add this. You think Bin Laden is not a thought on the President's mind?? Don't give me a quote either. I don't think for one moment of the day this guy is not hunted down. We just want to focus on negative things. The media gets more accomplished when it shows issues that anger people. If Bin Laden was found could you imagine the dissapointment so many would have?

Yeah, as a New Yorker, I'd be really pissed...

 

[TnKrBeLlA012]

Uh...no. I'm not placing blame, I'm hoping that some here are not celebrating too early. I want every last American soldier pulled out of Iraq immediately and I want Iraq to become a thriving democracy for all of the Arab world to behold. However, our brave soldiers are still over there, risking life and limb and I refuse to start the celebration until the Bush's mission du jour is complete. What's so wrong with that?

P.S. Bin Laden didn't live in Iraq...Hussien and Bin Laden hated each other like poison...just a little off topic FYI...

PS. Just a little sarcasm. But thanks for the FYI.

 

[cardaway]

We have no proof any conversations were staged.

Actually we do. The rehearsal footage has leaked out and can be found quite easily on the net.

This does nothing to help our soldiers. All this stupid media rhetoric does is bring them down and diminish the job they are trying to do. Lets remember who is most important at this time. Our troops and their families. Lets show them some respect. You know who I think our own worst enemy is? Ourselves.

Many, including myself, believe that we must also respect the people there who do not agree with the "war". Many of the same people also happen to believe that the best way to help them is the get them the hell out of there.

 

[Teejay32]

Then I guess my response to you is keep your fingers crossed and think happy thoughts...

Now bring our kids home!!!

The POV here confuses me. If Iraq is truly of no consequence to us and we're not doing enough to get Bin Laden, then the troops wouldn't be home; they'd be sent to Pakistan. What am I missing.

 

[Laugh O. Grams]

I have to add this. You think Bin Laden is not a thought on the President's mind?? Don't give me a quote either. I don't think for one moment of the day this guy is not hunted down. We just want to focus on negative things. The media gets more accomplished when it shows issues that anger people. If Bin Laden was found could you imagine the dissapointment so many would have?

What do you mean don't give you a quote? All we know is what the President says? I don't have the insight that your man Bush seems to have, you know, the ability to look into a man's eyes and see his soul (or read his mind in this case). When the President says stupid things like he has about the hunt for Bin Laden (I promise...no quotes), it only aids the spirit of the terrorists...something that your ilk seems to like to blame America of doing at every chance you're given!!

 

[Laugh O. Grams]

The POV here confuses me. If Iraq is truly of no consequence to us and we're not doing enough to get Bin Laden, then the troops wouldn't be home; they'd be sent to Pakistan. What am I missing.

That POV is based purely on your take of letting nature take it's course and has nothing to do with anything else I have ever posted. It's a silly reply to your silly suggestion...

 

[Teejay32]

fine. Getting back to what you've posted, would you rather have the troops home, or going after Bin Laden.

 

[TnKrBeLlA012]

What do you mean don't give you a quote? All we know is what the President says? I don't have the insight that your man Bush seems to have, you know, the ability to look into a man's eyes and see his soul (or read his mind in this case). When the President says stupid things like he has about the hunt for Bin Laden (I promise...no quotes), it only aids the spirit of the terrorists...something that your ilk seems to like to blame America of doing at every chance you're given!!

No point in continuing this. You keep beliving what you want. Your sarcasm has given me the push to get my three year old ready for preschool.

 

[transparant]

In real life I do not hear people say this, do you? He clearly is not THE primary military focus. Mainstream media has not forgotten him as well. But again, since he is not the main focus of our military presence he is not the primary focus of our attention. But have we given up looking for him? Of course not.

But when the Commander - in - CHief states (concerning a question regarding OBL) what do you think that says to the American public?

Tell all the troops fighting & searching everyday that he is clearly not the primary focus - he is to them.

As for the presidents statement and what that says to the American public...well that depends. For someone like you, it says we've given up (which is what you hope for) and for someone like me, it says we've had him on the run and hiding in little rat holes for years now and the pressure our military has put on him has him confident that we'll get him. To me his statement said he has faith in our military.

 

[Laugh O. Grams]

fine. Getting back to what you've posted, would you rather have the troops home, or going after Bin Laden.

C'mon, Teejay...we've been over this on other occasions and my stance has been more than clear. The war against the Taliban in Afganistan and the hunt for Bin Laden is a 100% war of necessity with a clear moral objective and the overwhelming support of Dems, like me, and Republicans, like you, alike. Our soldiers are justified hunting down that scumbag Bin Laden.

The conflict in Iraq...not so much.

 

[Teejay32]

As for the presidents statement and what that says to the American public...well that depends. For someone like you, it says we've given up (which is what you hope for) and for someone like me, it says we've had him on the run and hiding in little rat holes for years now and the pressure our military has put on him has him confident that we'll get him. To me his statement said he has faith in our military.

your sentiments are understood, but we shouldn't promote this kind of division.

C'mon, Teejay...we've been over this on other occasions and my stance has been more than clear. The war against the Taliban in Afganistan and the hunt for Bin Laden is a 100% war of necessity with a clear moral objective and the overwhelming support of Dems, like me, and Republicans, like you, alike. Our soldiers are justified hunting down that scumbag Bin Laden.

AFAIK, no we haven't, and I don't think much of your characterizations. War is war, getting rid of Saddam was clear enough too, and the right thing to do isn't solely defined by Democratic support. When Afghanistan is stable enough our troops should come home. Same with Iraq.

 

[MizBlu]

What the heck did Bosnia have to do with our freedom? Or the first Gulf war??

The majority of the troops think their mission is for a noble cause. They deserve better from everyone including the media for not shining an equal amount of light on their success.

The first Gulf War? You can't see what the first Gulf War had to do with our freedoms? Saddam Hussein "invaded" another country (Kuwait) with oil reserves we depended on and was more than likely about to invade another (Saudi Arabia).

The Bush apologists are starting to fall into the trap: You make Bush look big by making everyone else look small.

One more question: did you not support the first Gulf War or are you just making conversation?

And another comment: a poster here said she had no doubt Saddam Hussein would've been a formidable enemy if sanctions were lifted.

He was at his peak in 1991 and he was no formidable enemy then.

After the first night, the coalition (the real coalition) owned the air. Five weeks later, his army was in shambles and he was at the peace table.

 

[Laugh O. Grams]

AFAIK, no we haven't, and I don't think much of your characterizations. War is war, getting rid of Saddam was clear enough too, and the right thing to do isn't solely defined by Democratic support. When Afghanistan is stable enough our troops should come home. Same with Iraq.

IMO, war is not war. Just war is just. Unjust war is unjust, plain as day. I also do not define just war as those just supported by Dems, or Republicans, but by the American public. Poll numbers show that this war does not meet the smell test for a overwhelming majority of Americans. But hey, believe as you will, I'm perfectly happy to agree to disagree...

 

[Teejay32]

"peace table." Good one. It was a particularly bad ending with really good PR.

 

[MizBlu]

For those of you who are misinformed thinking that we have given up looking for OBL...you are wrong. Why do you say things like "We've given up trying to capture OBL?" I work for SA (Soldiers Angels). I talk or email with lots and lots of guys/girls who are still in Afghanistan fighting and searching every single day for that SOB. Just a little FYI - they get extremely pissed when they here our MSM saying things like "we've given up looking for OBL" - they are still going out on dangerous missions every single day (searching for him and still fighting taliban). I personally hope he got crushed to death in Pakistans earthquake. Our troops have not given up searching for him.

While you're at it, channel this back to them.

The MSM has never said the troops lost interest in the hunt for Bin Laden. It wasn't the troops who lost interest in Bin Laden, it was the Bush administration. Bush himself said he didn't think much about Bin Laden anymore.

If Bush had committed 1/4 of the resources he's squandered in Iraq to Afghanistan, Bin Laden would've been wearing orange pajamas while sitting in an American jail cell.

It was the Bush administration that turned over the hunt for Bin Laden to the Northern Alliance because Bush had different plans for the troops....Iraq.

The troops in Afghanistan are doing a wonderful job, but unfortunately their CIC let them down by not supplying enough troops, equipment, etc. to complete the job which was capture Bin Laden

Gee, lightening struck twice.