Bush was told levies could break ....

[dcentity2000]

Simba Cub haet media.

It's always biased one way or the other, isn't it? The closest thing to an objective news source that I have found has been the Financial Times. I guess Reuters isn't too bad...



Rich::

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Why do so many people ignore this part of the timeline? FEMA could mobilize whenever they wanted to.

Sure--but they typically don't drive directly into the area that will be washed away--they set up shop outside.


I don't dispute how long the response time took. It was terrible.

I remember explicity in the very beginning they had red cross trucks lined all along the interstated by the dome--and then they were gone. Terrible.



However--anyone who pretends that they knew "so many" days in advance is erroneous.


The parts that are omitted from that timeline are Friday afternoon when the threat in a matter of hours changed from the Florida Panhandle to New Orleans....and where's the timestamp for the issuing of the SOE?


Check out this thread:

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=896560&highlight=katrina

It is in very much detail as we all watched and waited for the storm---at 5pm, the track shifted 150 miles west and was still aimed at the panhandle.

There is no way that SOE was issued before 5pm b/c during the day on Friday it was a Florida storm. Even though it was issued--they only had 48 hours to prepare. 9pm is when the models shifted further west to include New Orleans.

That timeline is incomplete.

ETA: Note that all graphical references in that thread (aka maps and such) were actively updated by their source and in most cases only show the end of the storm.

 

[Viking]

Don't forget that the elder Bush didn't go after Saddam. We could play this game all day.

And neither should be forgotten that the Reps' favourite president - Reagan- even sponsored Saddam and Bin Laden. Rumsy even shook hands with Saddam.

 

[conciergekelly]

Gov. Blanco is not my governor... Mayor Nagin is not my mayor but President Bush is my President. I think that we can all agree that there is plenty of blame to go around and the response was not acceptable. I cannot hold that mayor or that govenor accountable for the actions because I don't live there . That is up to the people of Louisiana. But I think that we should expect more from the Federal government in a time of need. Republican or Democrat we all deserve more.

 

[amy4life]

ABC as easy as 123 haha

 

[LauraR]

Wasn't it Clinton who let BinLaden slip through his fingers when he had the opportunity to stop him during his tenure? Can't Clinton take some responsibility for the lives lost?? Hindsight is 20/20, of course, but I don't think Clinton will fare well in history....and not just for his marriage problems.....

Hah, at least Clinton didn't get confused and invade a country that had nothing to do with Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda. And I wouldn't bring up Bin Laden slipping through people's fingers considering it's been 4 1/2 years and Bush still hasn't gotten Bin Laden (lack of focus perhaps?). Clinton only had two years to get Bin Laden after he masterminded the embassy bombings in Africa, and at least when Clinton left he had Bin Laden at the top of the agenda. Bush apparently didn't feel the same, and still doesn't.

 

[Sylvester McBean]

Hah, at least Clinton didn't get confused and invade a country that had nothing to do with Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda. And I wouldn't bring up Bin Laden slipping through people's fingers considering it's been 4 1/2 years and Bush still hasn't gotten Bin Laden (lack of focus perhaps?). Clinton only had two years to get Bin Laden after he masterminded the embassy bombings in Africa, and at least when Clinton left he had Bin Laden at the top of the agenda. Bush apparently didn't feel the same, and still doesn't.

I'm no Clinton fan either, but at least his admin was trying to warn the incoming Bush admin on the Bin Laden threat. but we all have since learned that no one tells W what to do, except God.

 

[Deb & Bill]

I'm no Clinton fan either, but at least his admin was trying to warn the incoming Bush admin on the Bin Laden threat. but we all have since learned that no one tells W what to do, except God.

Not even Mama Bush????

 

[MrsKreamer]

Why do so many people ignore this part of the timeline? FEMA could mobilize whenever they wanted to.

Why would FEMA have sent their people in New Orleans before the storm....that is just silly.

 

[Sylvester McBean]

Not even Mama Bush????

I wish she would knock some sense into that pile of mashed potatoes he calls a brain. OK, I sound like my grandmother now.

 

[conciergekelly]

I wish she would knock some sense into that pile of mashed potatoes he calls a brain. OK, I sound like my grandmother now.

 

[TCPluto]

He knew that the evidence was discredited and presented it as a fact.

Airtight lie. Opinion doesn't even come into it.Rich::

Wrong yet again my little ball of hate cyber stalker!

That you think he knew the intelligence was discredited is obvious, but where is your evidence? You have none.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

he also warned his soft-headed son not to go after Saddam either. his reason was "there's no good exit strategy". wasn't that about 15 years ago... at least some Iraq intelligance was correct. don't worry, Cheney will award Halliburton a no-bid contract for the gulf coast soon.

I'm glad Saddam has been ousted. Saddam had quite an exit strategy for his own people.

Why do you assume no-bid contracts are bad??

When there are limited companiess who can do a very large job, a negotiated contract with a known company who can handle it is not unusual at all. Certainly not unusual in construction.

 

[Laz]

I thought I would add to this thread that the Associated Press has put out a "clarification" of the Katrina story:

AP FRIDAY NIGHT CLARIFICATION ON BUSH/KATRINA VIDEO
Fri Mar 03 2006 19:48:29 ET

Clarification: Katrina-Video story
ASSOCIATED PRESS

WASHINGTON (AP) _ In a March 1 story, The Associated Press reported that federal disaster officials warned President Bush and his homeland security chief before Hurricane Katrina struck that the storm could breach levees in New Orleans, citing confidential video footage of an Aug. 28 briefing among U.S. officials.

The Army Corps of Engineers considers a breach a hole developing in a levee rather than an overrun. The story should have made clear that Bush was warned about floodwaters overrunning the levees, rather than the levees breaking.

The day before the storm hit, Bush was told there were grave concerns that the levees could be overrun. It wasn't until the next morning, as the storm was hitting, that Michael Brown, then head of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, said Bush had inquired about reports of breaches. Bush did not participate in that briefing.

Seems to me that the reporters once again jumped on a story to try and make look Bush look bad instead of waiting till all the facts were out.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

I thought I would add to this thread that the Associated Press has put out a "clarification" of the Katrina story:



Seems to me that the reporters once again jumped on a story to try and make look Bush look bad instead of waiting till all the facts were out.

I quess there will be a change in the opening post title of this thread soon.

 

[Sylvester McBean]

I'm glad Saddam has been ousted. Saddam had quite an exit strategy for his own people.

Why do you assume no-bid contracts are bad??

When there are limited companiess who can do a very large job, a negotiated contract with a known company who can handle it is not unusual at all. Certainly not unusual in construction.

of course not. Halliburton has been rebuilding countries since Vietnam. it's the ties that bind, and the motives that make that company suspect.

Saddam being ousted isn't a bad thing. the primary target should have been bin laden. afghanistan, pakistan, saudi arabia, and syria are far more dangerous than iraq ever was. we invaded iraq without cause. we further 'd up crap in an area rife with religious zealots killing themselves to take out our troops. now Iran is next on the plate. diplomacy and covert actions would have netted bin laden years ago. Iraq is the quagmire it is because of the tool known as George Bush. his motives are clearly set in the middle east for personal and admin economic gain, and I don't like his 'allies' over there.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

of course not. Halliburton has been rebuilding countries since Vietnam. it's the ties that bind, and the motives that make that company suspect.

Saddam being ousted isn't a bad thing. the primary target should have been bin laden. afghanistan, pakistan, saudi arabia, and syria are far more dangerous than iraq ever was. we invaded iraq without cause. we further 'd up crap in an area rife with religious zealots killing themselves to take out our troops. now Iran is next on the plate. diplomacy and covert actions would have netted bin laden years ago. Iraq is the quagmire it is because of the tool known as George Bush. his motives are clearly set in the middle east for personal and admin economic gain, and I don't like his 'allies' over there.

Emphasis mine.

Please explain both your theories.

(BTW, Iraq is not a quagmire and our President is not a "tool.")

 

[dcentity2000]

Wrong yet again my little ball of hate cyber stalker!

That you think he knew the intelligence was discredited is obvious, but where is your evidence? You have none.

Ever heard of "net rage"? You blatantly have it Don't worry, it's a disease - you can overcome it by getting out once in a while, making a friend (tough for you, I know) or cooking pancakes.

Fail Plooty! Again! I quote from a dossier from Downing Street:

"But the case [for war] was thin. Saddam was not threatening his neighbours, and his WMD capability was less than that of Libya, North Korea or Iran.”

That's a reflective piece, outlining the stance took in the political atmosphere known at the time. Of course, your rage problem prevents you from seeing it, but no matter - you're just one thing

Add to that extensive research by an independent UN team declaring Iraq as empty as your head and we have a winner!

I really must insist on your home address though; I can't stalk you if I don't have it

I can hear you screaming in rage all the way from across the pond at that comment - the lone ranger, devoid of debate skills, personal hygiene (I wtach you through satellite feed ) and a single documented fact to rely upon is not getting properly stalked! Or are you afraid to give it?

My dear little Ploots, you've sunk your own ship it seems. Again

I have a crazy idea - why don't you try debating instead of throwing your hate around? It could be a nice outlet.

Your hubby, as ever,



Rich::

 

[Sylvester McBean]

Emphasis mine.

Please explain both your theories.

(BTW, Iraq is not a quagmire and our President is not a "tool.")

come on, anytime I watch this guy give a speech anymore it's like watching the Simpsons. whenever Homer has to give serious thought to something they show a 'thought balloon' next to head with an organ grinder and monkey in black and white. I get the same feeling from W. I don't think he has an intelligent thought in his head. whenever a reporter asks him a question he actually pops his head back in amazement, like anyone should question his motives. then he gives some stuttering, inept, brazen answer. he's... a tool.

Iraq?, definately a quagmire.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

come on, anytime I watch this guy give a speech anymore it's like watching the Simpsons. whenever Homer has to give serious thought to something they show a 'thought balloon' next to head with an organ grinder and monkey in black and white. I get the same feeling from W. I don't think he has an intelligent thought in his head. whenever a reporter asks him a question he actually pops his head back in amazement, like anyone should question his motives. then he gives some stuttering, inept, brazen answer. he's... a tool.

I see.
I was expecting a rational explanation to back your theories.
Oh well.