Bush was told levies could break ....

[Planogirl]

As stated, many people seemed to believe that the Superdome would be safe and a good place to ride out the storm. They would have been correct too if only the levees hadn't breached.

 

[tinkerdorabelle]

Mrs. Kreamer cut me a break.

 

[MrsKreamer]

As stated, many people seemed to believe that the Superdome would be safe and a good place to ride out the storm. They would have been correct too if only the levees hadn't breached.

yes and no...The Dome took a lot of wind damage, and two big pieces of the roof came off and rain water got in. The electricity eventually went out and then they had no running water....all of this happened BEFORE the levees broke. Too many people relied on the Dome, and didn't bring enough supplies with them...everyone is always told, if you go to the Dome bring enough food, water, etc to last for days. Many went last minute with nothing but the clothes on their backs. The Dome wasn't supplied with enough food, water, etc for the amount of people they took in. I am sure they never thought as many people would show...but hindsight is 20/20 right?

 

[FergieTCat]

I refuse to believe that if Federal Government officials really and truly wanted to come down to the New Orleans area, they wouldn't have been able to find ANY housing in the entire area. They could have stayed in a hotel in the French Quarter and toughed it out. They could have brought their own Winnebago to the area. They could have done something, instead of saying "White House Briefing?? What White House Briefing?? I didn't hear any White House Briefing!"

Hate to burst your bubble, but every hotel in BR was booked up already with evacuees...we had to go all the way to Dallas to find rooms available, and we booked ours a week in advance.

 

[MrsKreamer]

Mrs. Kreamer cut me a break.

Why? You want to scew the facts to fit your beliefs...I actually live down here, so I am not cutting anyone a break who thinks they *know* exactly how it happened.

 

[MrsKreamer]

I refuse to believe that if Federal Government officials really and truly wanted to come down to the New Orleans area, they wouldn't have been able to find ANY housing in the entire area. They could have stayed in a hotel in the French Quarter and toughed it out. They could have brought their own Winnebago to the area. They could have done something, instead of saying "White House Briefing?? What White House Briefing?? I didn't hear any White House Briefing!"

Wow! Are you kidding me? A Winnebago... Yeah ok! And who was going to run that French Quarter Hotel? They were under a maditory evacuation...

 

[tarmand]

I refuse to believe that if Federal Government officials really and truly wanted to come down to the New Orleans area, they wouldn't have been able to find ANY housing in the entire area. They could have stayed in a hotel in the French Quarter and toughed it out. They could have brought their own Winnebago to the area. They could have done something, instead of saying "White House Briefing?? What White House Briefing?? I didn't hear any White House Briefing!"

Whos job is worth that crap? I'll tell you what, if a Cat 5 is headed toward a city the only way I'm going into that city is there's a million dollar check with my name on it. The goal was to evacuate the area, not bring in more people for potential body bags. Only idiot weathermen stick around for that stuff and I really think they need to have their heads examined.

 

[FergieTCat]

Someone who's paid $125,000/year to sleep through White House Briefings. Maybe Mike Brown, who didn't want to be interrupted at dinner?

I prefer to think Government Officials are paid to do their job, to keep citizens safe.

Mrs. Kreamer -- How did it feel to watch your neighbors die because the White House couldn't give a damn?

Whos job is worth that crap? I'll tell you what, if a Cat 5 is headed toward a city the only way I going into that city is there's a million dollar check with my name on it. The goal was to evacuate the area, not bring in more people for potential body bags. Only idiot weathermen stick around for that stuff and I really think they need to have their heads examined.

 

[Muffin]

Mrs. Kreamer cut me a break.

Huh? She's spot on with everything she's posted here.

 

[MrsKreamer]

Someone who's paid $125,000/year to sleep through White House Briefings. Maybe Mike Brown, who didn't want to be interrupted at dinner?

I prefer to think Government Officials are paid to do their job, to keep citizens safe.

Mrs. Kreamer -- How did it feel to watch your neighbors die because the White House couldn't give a damn?

I felt sad that THEY didn't heed warnings and at least get to the Dome. I feel upset to know that they would have rathered stay to protect their homes then themselves. Yes, before anyone asks I did know people who stayed, in their homes to ride it out. They laughed at us for evacuating again and again. You cannot blame the White House for people who act idiotically. Personal Responsibilty does come into play, you can't force people out of their homes, just as much as you can't force troops into a state that didn't invite you.

 

[MrsKreamer]

Huh? She's spot on with everything she's posted here.

hey Muffin How was your Mardi Gras?

 

[tarmand]

Mrs. Kreamer -- How did it feel to watch your neighbors die because the White House couldn't give a damn?

Okay, you lost me here. I thought we were having a serious discussion, but you're joking now, right? If you really think that, then there's no reason to attempt a serious discussion at this point.

 

[Muffin]

hey Muffin How was your Mardi Gras?

I'm sunburned and hoarse, it was great. I hope yours was too.

 

[tinkerdorabelle]

Mrs. Kreamer, how did I screw the facts, they knew days beforehand that's what I had said, you yourself said you knew Friday night in one post and then another post you said Sat, get your posts straight, the hurricane hit Monday, isn't that days beforehand? And you think that needs a crystal ball?? You really know how ridiculous you sound? It then took days after that before the national guard arrived and a week before they got everyone out. What a sad sad sad thing, incompetence on all levels including President Bush. And it may surprise you but I do believe people had some responsibility with this also and should have left IF POSSIBLE, thats the key word, or could have had the time for a mandatory evacuation, but they knew people would be staying and should have been preparing for the worst when they knew about this hurricane, and they clearly knew what could or might or may happen, you want to knitpick words, it's so incompetent it's beyond words!

 

[FergieTCat]

Pardon me if you don't consider death a serious subject.

I am rolling on the floor laughing at the thought of our Federal Government actually considering the citizens of the U.S.A. before making or not making any decision.

Okay, you lost me here. I thought we were having a serious discussion, but you're joking now, right? If you really think that, then there's no reason to attempt a serious discussion at this point.

 

[MrsKreamer]

Mrs. Kreamer, how did I screw the facts, they knew days beforehand that's what I had said, you yourself said you knew Friday night in one post and then another post you said Sat, get your posts straight, the hurricane hit Monday, isn't that days beforehand? And you think that needs a crystal ball?? You really know how ridiculous you sound? It then took days after that before the national guard arrived and a week before they got everyone out. What a sad sad sad thing, incompetence on all levels including President Bush. And it may surprise you but I do believe people had some responsibility with this also and should have left IF POSSIBLE, thats the key word, but they knew people would be staying and should have been preparing for the worst when they knew about this hurricane, and they clearly knew what could or might or may happen, you want to knitpick words, it's so incompetent it's beyond words!

I said the weather people knew Friday night, I didn't know until Sat morning, when they called for the first voluntary evacuations. So that gave most people 2 1/2 days before the storm hit. Do you realize why it took days after the storm hit to get National Guard in there? The city was underwater, the borders were closed, the govenor waited until then to ask for them to enter the city(which National guard is her jurisdiction not the president's), and people who stayed behind grew fearful and started looting...they looted food and diapers, and they also found guns, amo, and plasma tvs. Take your pick of those reasons. FEMA said they didn't carry firearms and wouldn't enter the city until the police had some sense of control. I don't blame them. I had a relative at the convention center, he told us how crazy it was, people mobbing and and very angry. Buses were sent to the poorest neighborhoods, including the 9th ward to pick people who did not have means to get out, and take them to the dome on Sunday. Just b/c some people chose not to get themselves out of harms way, even if it means getting on a bus Sunday morning and spending a few days in the superdome.

Who is the "they" you refer to in preparing for those who stayed? The Mayor, govenor, or the President?

The Mayor, waited until Sunday to make it a maditory evac, he is the one in charge of suppling the Dome, and making sure people stay safe...It is the Govenor who didn't call upon the Guard until days later, it is her job to do so.

So I might seem incompetent but I would really like to know how you can sit thousands of miles away, watching safetly from you tv screen, and know that this was all President Bush's fault.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

It was actually Friday night. I remember b/c I had no plans to evacuate until Sat morning. Dh got up with the baby to let me sleep in. 15 mins later he woke me up and said "We have to pack now, the cone shifted, and it looks like this one is really gonna hit us." I am usually the one who is ready to jump to evacuate, and we didn't think it was really coming this way until Sat morning. Of course my unlce always plans ahead and already had rooms booked in Dallas for us to evac.

THANK YOU---I couldn't remember precisely.

All I know is when FLORIDA Is in the cone I watch like a hawk and that cone state on the state for most of the week and within hours--I guess on Friday (been soo long I forgot but remembered for planning purposes it was VERY last minute).

People think they have Crystal Balls and they don't.

People think they know where it will hit and it don't.

My mother has a nickname for the weather people--she calls them weather guessers..which is sort of true--it is a guessing science--based on very good data..but all just guesses when it comes down to it.

Anyone who says we knew days in advance is full of malarchy---we didn't know.



As far as "days"--it was the evening...and it is in the evac procedures that they do not call for an evacuation unless there is x-hours of daylight left---so my friends...New Orleans had LESS than 2 days to pull it off. It was screwed from the start. The scenario was worst case all the way around. There was no 72 hours of notice. They started feeling the outer bands of Katrina on Sunday night. It was less than 48 hours notice.

Go back and check all your facts. The National Hurricane Center--didn't even have New Orleans in the cone until Friday NIGHT

You can't pretend they had more notice--that is as much a lie as the one everyone is claiming the president made.

Hindsight is 20/20 people--I think people are remembering that they "knew"--I think you are just remembering you had a "feeling"--not knowledge that a catastrophe was going to happen.

(FTR--I couldn't remember the exact days--but I'd be more than happy to go get the timeline of their bulletins..but it will have to wait until tomorrow as I m about to walk out the door).

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Only idiot weathermen stick around for that stuff and I really think they need to have their heads examined.

And FTR--first time I ever saw news stations skedaddle and make other arrangements.

So even they were smart enough not to stick around.

 

[mickeyfan2]

As stated, many people seemed to believe that the Superdome would be safe and a good place to ride out the storm. They would have been correct too if only the levees hadn't breached.

Actually that is not true. The last time (previous mayor) that they used the SD they concluded it was not a viable choice and to never us it again. Higher winds and the entire SD roof would have been gone and many inside would have died.

BTW many residents did not leave because of their animals. Shelters don't take them and they would not leave them behind.

 

[tinkerdorabelle]

The news was broadcasting here in NY as you put it "thousands of miles away" that they thought the hurricane may be heading in the direction of New Orleans days bf they knew for certain, maybe they were not sure exactly until Fri but were speaking days beforehand of the possible catastrophic event if a class 4 or 5 hurricane hit New Orleans. When I speak of "they" in my other posts, I mean everyone from local government up to the President and I have never stated Bush was completely at fault anywhere in my posts. And just for the record, the word is "mandatory." Now I'm going back to reading some of the happy posts about Disneyworld, hehe.