Bush supporters, I need your help!!!

[Disney Doll]

You can't possibly be serious, can you?

If you go to President Bush's website, you can get the answers to why he went to war. If you go to Senator Kerry's website, you can get the answers to why he thinks President Bush made a mistake in going to war.

Probably the place not to come for answers to these types of inquiries is a Disney website.

Just a suggestion...

 

[Microcell]

I want to add a very important aspect to this whole issue that Luvthatduke, in his very well phrazed and broken down answer missed. Here goes:

Saddam had been lying and hiding (if there are no WMD) I don't know what from the UN. At the end of Persian Gulf war Saddam signed a paper that said "I will allow COMPLETE AND UNFETTERED inspections from the UN Security Council's inspection team". That would allow inspectors to go where they wanted, when they wanted. He did not for TEN YEARS! Among the many reasons (some now possibly erronious) the president listed as for going to war, the most important is that Saddam was BREAKING INTERNATIONAL LAW!!!!!!!! He would not let the inspectors go where they wanted, and provided them a list of where to go. How was that going to accomplish anything? Then our President went to the UN and said "lets get harsher with them, it sure looks like he is hiding something" The UN then said "Come on, Saddam, honey, lets give over the weapons, please, with sugar on top?? That big, nasty US does not want you to attack Isreal or them? Jerks." The President said, "what the... " and so he went to Congress and asked for authority to use force. He got it and gave Saddam like 50 ultimatums, he did not give in, we got other countries to offer him asylum to leave peacefully, he did not, and the rest is history.

 

[Paradise]

Originally posted by sha_lyn
To remove an evil dictator
to save innocent people from his ethnic cleansing
to save innocent men women and children from tourture and death
to save innocent children from being imprisoned and killed for not joining the military
to disarm him of of the banned weapons he did have ... ie chemical and biological weapons
to stop him from harboring terrorist


Did you become physically ill when you read about all the innocent men women and children he tortured and killed?

And you should be ill that we have killed more than 35,000 innocent Iraqis with Shock and Awe. Oh, I forgot, they were just collateral damage.

 

[chadfromdallas]

He just wanted revenge for what daddy couldn't finish

 

[Microcell]

Originally posted by erinz
That's a really good point. And the answer is yes. To the point where I had to just decide to stop listening to, and reading any more about the horrendous things he and his family were doing.

But with Bush it felt different. It felt like......the betrayal of a family member. Like walking in on your husband and finding him in bed with another women.

I know, really dumb example, but that's what it felt like.

That is because you are misinformed. I hope Lovethatduke cleared it up for you.

When I think of the thousand people that have died, doing important work for thier country, I see Bush more as the as the dad who had to make a tough decision for his kids. He consulted with mom, dad, brothers and sisters, and after they all agreed with him, he sent his kids to the war.

 

[crazyforgoofy]

Originally posted by Microcell
That is because you are misinformed. I hope Lovethatduke cleared it up for you.

When I think of the thousand people that have died, doing important work for thier country, I see Bush more as the as the dad who had to make a tough decision for his kids. He consulted with mom, dad, brothers and sisters, and after they all agreed with him, he sent his kids to the war.

Oh, I SO beg to differ. He didn't send HIS kids or any of HIS FRIENDS' kids to kill and main and be killed and maimed. He sent my nephew and my friend's son and another friend's daughter.

 

[Microcell]

Originally posted by chadfromdallas
He just wanted revenge for what daddy couldn't finish

That is a very, well, liberal mentality- if it feels good do it. From the book of William Jefferson Clinton, your celebrated king.

Those of us who consider ourselves human would not put so many lives at risk to seek revenge. I am voting for our president because I am completely sure he would not say "My daddy didn't get to put Saddam behind bars and that bad man plotted to kill my daddy."

President Bush is a man completely rooted in his faith, and if you ever go to church, you will see that it is not usually found in the bible to seek revenge at the cost of thousands.

Did it ever occur to you that after 911 we would put our attention toward someone who is a noted hater of the US? If you want to be inflammitory, at least have an intelligent argument behind it.

 

[crazyforgoofy]

As of Thursday the death toll of American's fighting in Iraq stood at 1,103. The number of seriously wounded is in the many thousands.

The number of Iraqi dead and wounded is many, many times higher. That's innocent non-combatants by the way.

We are NO safer, I believe we are much less safe now. Bush's invasion of Iraq gave fuel to the militant extremists message of fear and hatred of the U.S. Now the terrorists REALLY ARE in Iraq.

 

[Microcell]

Crazyforgoofy,

It is called an analogy for a reason. Do you really think he knows no one that he sent to war? He probably sent a friend's child if they were enlisted. I don't know for sure who, but I would think someone he knows has a child or relative that went to Iraq.

 

[chadfromdallas]

Originally posted by Microcell
President Bush is a man completely rooted in his faith, and if you ever go to church, you will see that it is not usually found in the bible to seek revenge at the cost of thousands.

No comment on this right here, mainly due to the fact that I don't take any references to the bible seriously.

Did it ever occur to you that after 911 we would put our attention toward someone who is a noted hater of the US? If you want to be inflammitory, at least have an intelligent argument behind it.

And a smarter man would consider going after the people higher on the "threat to America" list.

 

[Microcell]

Originally posted by crazyforgoofy


We are NO safer, I believe we are much less safe now. Bush's invasion of Iraq gave fuel to the militant extremists message of fear and hatred of the U.S. Now the terrorists REALLY ARE in Iraq.

They were always there, thanks for yet another point of Bush's- Saddam was allowing a safe place for terrorists to plan. Have you never studied the effects of building a country post dictator? Do you not remember when Soviet Union fell and all the fighting that broke out in Croatia, Bosnia, etc...and all the debating about whether it was better before or after the end of communism? With an iron fist, people do not feel free to fight with anyone, the punishment was too harsh. You take away the iron fist and people start feeling freedom to voice opinions and kill others, unfortunately.

Do you think after we got Saddam the US military allowed in the terrorists?

 

[crazyforgoofy]

Originally posted by Microcell
They were always there, thanks for yet another point of Bush's- Saddam was allowing a safe place for terrorists to plan. Have you never studied the effects of building a country post dictator? Do you not remember when Soviet Union fell and all the fighting that broke out in Croatia, Bosnia, etc...and all the debating about whether it was better before or after the end of communism? With an iron fist, people do not feel free to fight with anyone, the punishment was too harsh. You take away the iron fist and people start feeling freedom to voice opinions and kill others, unfortunately.

Do you think after we got Saddam the US military allowed in the terrorists?

Nope Saddam wasn't providing a "safe place". They WEREN'T there, they were in Afghanistan and Pakistan and Saudi Arabia and Iran! NOW they're in Iraq, thanks to Bush. ALLOWED? There weren't and aren't enough U.S. troops to prevent terrorists from entering the country, surely you know that. There weren't enough U.S. troops to protect the supposed WMD sites much less anything else.

 

[BibbidiBobbidiBOO]

Care to volunteer to "take care" of it by volunteering for service? It's easy to sit back and talk about "us". It's easier when you send someone to do your bidding.

DH is in Iraq, a reserve army officer who is there and can SEE why we need to be there. Erinz-do some searches here, I think you will find most all of the military spouses/parents that post here support Bush and you can read "why" we do.

 

[Paradise]

Originally posted by crazyforgoofy
As of Thursday the death toll of American's fighting in Iraq stood at 1,103. The number of seriously wounded is in the many thousands.

The number of Iraqi dead and wounded is many, many times higher. That's innocent non-combatants by the way.

We are NO safer, I believe we are much less safe now. Bush's invasion of Iraq gave fuel to the militant extremists message of fear and hatred of the U.S. Now the terrorists REALLY ARE in Iraq.

Couldn't have said it any better, but the Rightards will never understand.

 

[crazyforgoofy]

Originally posted by BibbidiBobbidiBOO
DH is in Iraq, a reserve army officer who is there and can SEE why we need to be there. Erinz-do some searches here, I think you will find most all of the military spouses/parents that post here support Bush and you can read "why" we do.

I appreciate what your husband is doing. My husband is a veteran (USMC 1968 -1980) He is 100% disabled now from his two tours in Vietnam. I see things from a different place, one of years of seeing my husband suffer and re-live the experiences he had there. I, at least from second hand experience, know the horrors of war.

I hope and pray your husband comes home safe and sound in mind and body from his tour. Several of my family members and friends are serving in Iraq. They are doing their duty but that does not mean they completely support Mr. Bush. I do, however, understand why someone serving and his/her family wants to believe that what has happened and is happening in Iraq is right. I wish you and your family well.

Peace.
Mary Alice

 

[BibbidiBobbidiBOO]

DH is also a veteran of Desert Storm. So we DO know firsthand the horrors of war.(yes there were casualties there too)
And it is not "wanting to believe what is happening in Iraq is right", it is KNOWING first hand that it is.
Thanks for the support though.

 

[Crankyshank]

Couldn't have said it any better, but the Rightards will never understand.

I'm a Democrat voting for Kerry. I am definitely not pc, but using the term "Rightard" is extremely inflammatory and unnecessary IMHO. I can see where a lot of people can be offended by it. I do agree with crazyforgoofy's fears that we are less safe now, btw

Sorry, as someone who gets pissed off when the conservatives ridicule Kerry supporters and question their intelligence, I couldn't stay quiet about it.

What really upsets me the most about this election and this site in particular is that so many people can't understand that others have different priorities and vote accordingly. That doesn't make them "rightards or leftards". It makes them people making different choices.

 

[puggymom]

Here's my two cents -

-WMD's, there was evidence found of their exsitence at some point by our troops(what were those tubs of chemicals doing hiding in the Tigris). Also, shortly before the war there were satellite photos of trucks pouring over the Syrian border. I am not saying weapons were on those trucks. But nobody knows what was in those trucks.

-Yes WMD's were the primary reason, but the Bush admin did list the human rights violations as another.

- As for finishing Daddy's work. Daddy never had any intention of going to Baghdad and let's not forget Desert Fox launched by the Clinton admin. This was the 1st U.S. strike against Iraq's WMD's

-Now this is just MHO, but I wondered when Bush said we are taking the war to the terrorists how the heck he was going to do that. Seems that's just what he did by going into Iraq. The U.N. made it very easy for him with also those resolutions.

 

[jrydberg]

Originally posted by Paradise
Couldn't have said it any better, but the Rightards will never understand.

About all I can say to that is such statements are the reason I put that line in my signature.

 

[Elwood Blues]

Originally posted by chadfromdallas
He just wanted revenge for what daddy couldn't finish

Prove it.