Bush sets record-longest vacation in recent history

[auntpolly]

It's interesting how history gets revised and the Vietnam War protesters are now given credit for helping end the war. Sort of makes me wonder why it took them so many years -- how come they weren't more effective?

Please tell me you are kidding. Revised? Of course they deserve credit. It took years because first, no one listened to them at first, and people said just the kind of things you are saying now, (history repeats itself when people don't learn from it), and secondly, we had some extremely tunnel visioned and stubborn leaders, just as we do now.

 

[ThAnswr]

But that wasn't the question. The question was "when are you going to send your daughters over there and let somebody else's son come home."

This leads to an even bigger question: If this was such a noble and worthy cause, why would someone even have to suggest volunteering to the Bush children and that includes Jeb's son? They should've been the first ones on the enlistment line. The symbolic gesture alone might've given more creedence to just how important this war is.

So let's cut to the chase, there are no Bush's in this war because they don't think the cause is good enough.

The fact is, approximately 5% of the American public are directly involved in this war. And that 5% is taking a helluva hit emotionally and financially. The Bush's are not part of that 5% and Cindy Sheehan's son was.

 

[ThAnswr]

I've ignored it thus far....she has a right to do it and others have the right to disagree with every third word she says while she's there. I don't question her grief or pain or her commitment to what she believes in, but her writings are disgustingly slanted and combative and I do wonder why she needs the administration's personal attention and national audience for this. And how much of it really represents her son, himself.

I'll agree with you, but it seems to me people are just pissed off that this woman is even protesting.

She's got a slanted opinion.....so what?

She want Bush's personal attention.......so what?

People are treating Cilndy Sheehan's protest as a personal slap at Bush, which it is and is her right. Again, so what?

 

[ThAnswr]

I'm not of the opinion that she is trying to make something positive - I believe she just wants a personal ***** session with the President of the United States.

So?

And no, no matter how strongly I felt about a cause, I wouldn't believe that I have the right to plop down face to face with the President and ***** about how he's doing his job.

And maybe that's part of the problem. Why don't you think you have the right to tell Bush or any president what kind of a job you think they're doing? They work for you, you don't work for them, although you have a little different slant.

 

[auntpolly]

And maybe that's part of the problem. Why don't you think you have the right to tell Bush or any president what kind of a job you think they're doing? They work for you, you don't work for them, although you have a little different slant.

Good one! If I could get his attention, I'd do the same thing.

 

[ThAnswr]

She could do that from her perch anywhere. The reality is the media wouldn't give her more than a passing glance if she were to pull this stunt anywhere else. It works only because the President is in Crawford and the media is camped out there. Can we say pandering?

Well, duh! No kidding her protest is much more effective from Crawford than it would be from East Bumfuzzle, IL. That's why she's there. And apparently, she's succeeding.

Geez, an American citizen exercising their right to protest.....the nerve.

And how is this pandering? It's a news story. What the hell the press is already there watching Bush pretend to be the "old cowhand from the Rio Grande". How many times are you going to watch Bush "clear more brush" from his faux ranch?

 

[ThAnswr]

Hmm, last time I checked, the armed forces was volunteer now, so if the Bush daughters wanted to join they could. It's not a matter of any parent "sending" their children away to serve... it's a choice each person makes on their own. There are millions of eligible young people who choose not to volunteer. Are you going to denigrate their parents for not "sending" them?

The Bush's don't want to join so Daddy's pet project can't be that important to them. You're right; everyone makes their own personal choices. Some just have more symbolic value than others.

 

[Tigger_Magic]

Please tell me you are kidding. Revised? Of course they deserve credit. It took years because first, no one listened to them at first, and people said just the kind of things you are saying now, (history repeats itself when people don't learn from it), and secondly, we had some extremely tunnel visioned and stubborn leaders, just as we do now.

No - I don't joke about that part of our history. And I don't believe the war protesters had much to do with ending the war. Dividing the country -- give them lots of credit for that. Creating a generation of self-absorbed greed-filled mini-mes -- they get all the credit for that. Ending the Vietnam War -- maybe they deserve a footnote, but nothing more.

 

[ThAnswr]

Please tell me you are kidding. Revised? Of course they deserve credit. It took years because first, no one listened to them at first, and people said just the kind of things you are saying now, (history repeats itself when people don't learn from it), and secondly, we had some extremely tunnel visioned and stubborn leaders, just as we do now.

No one can revise history better than someone who wasn't there and is getting their information from rightie talk radio, rightie blogs, and Fox News. That's a lethal combination if there ever was one.

 

[Tigger_Magic]

The fact is, approximately 5% of the American public are directly involved in this war. And that 5% is taking a helluva hit emotionally and financially. The Bush's are not part of that 5% and Cindy Sheehan's son was.

I'd ask again... why are you willing to denigrate 95% of the population because of the choice they make not to volunteer for military service? People make choices and sacrifices and then accept the responsibility for it. If Ms. Sheehan's son had been drafted and had no choice, it might be different. But he volunteered for service. I am sadded by her loss, but even more saddened that she is choosing to use her loss for partisan politics.

 

[auntpolly]

No one can revise history better than someone who wasn't there and is getting their information from rightie talk radio, rightie blogs, and Fox News. That's a lethal combination if there ever was one.

And nothing depresses me more than hearing people talking about war like my parents' generation did. I mean - literally - nothing.

Hey, maybe I could make some money reviving old bumper stickers - "America, love it or leave it!"

 

[ThAnswr]

No - I don't joke about that part of our history. And I don't believe the war protesters had much to do with ending the war. Dividing the country -- give them lots of credit for that. Creating a generation of self-absorbed greed-filled mini-mes -- they get all the credit for that. Ending the Vietnam War -- maybe they deserve a footnote, but nothing more.

Oh sure the war protestors divided the country. Nevermind the fact this country was taken to war based on a fictitious event. Nevermind the 300+ dead every week.

And what the Viet Nam war created was a generation who does not trust their government, especially when it comes to war.

 

[Tigger_Magic]

No one can revise history better than someone who wasn't there and is getting their information from rightie talk radio, rightie blogs, and Fox News. That's a lethal combination if there ever was one.

One should be cautious when speaking from ignorance. You know precious little about me or my past, so be careful about the assumptions you make.

 

[auntpolly]

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And what the Viet Nam war created was a generation who does not trust their government, especially when it comes to war.

I wish that were true, but I'm not sure. I think there's some amnesia out there.

 

[BuckNaked]

First remember, we're talking about the King of Vacations here -- so don't be comparing Bush to Roosevelt!!!!!!!!!

Next, you are obviously too young to remember a proper war protest.

How many vacations is irrelevant to the comment you made, which was that with people dying, the President shouldn't be taking a vacation.

Nope, not too young at all. I remember quite well the protests of the VietNam war.

 

[auntpolly]

One should be cautious when speaking from ignorance. You know precious little about me or my past, so be careful about the assumptions you make.

I didn't hear any specific reference to you. We've been talking in generalities, but you just sound like someone who did not experience the Vietnam era -- either that, or someone my parents age.

 

[auntpolly]

How many vacations is irrelevant to the comment you made, which was that with people dying, the President shouldn't be taking a vacation.

Nope, not too young at all. I remember quite well the protests of the VietNam war.

Did I say that he shouldn't ever take a vacation? You'll have to show me where I said that.

and you were how old in 1970?

 

[ThAnswr]

I'd ask again... why are you willing to denigrate 95% of the population because of the choice they make not to volunteer for military service? People make choices and sacrifices and then accept the responsibility for it. If Ms. Sheehan's son had been drafted and had no choice, it might be different. But he volunteered for service. I am sadded by her loss, but even more saddened that she is choosing to use her loss for partisan politics.

Because this country has too many phonies who are all jacked up about the war, but don't want to be anywhere near it. It's called hypocrisy. It's called being a chickenhawk.

You're right; people make choices and people are choosing to stay home.

Btw, I'm not denigrating the 95% of the population who choose not to volunteer for military service. I'm denigrating that segment of the population who talk about how "WE" are fighting this war and how "WE" believe in what Bush is doing. At the same time this "WE" is doing their fighting from their keyboards and their water coolers.

And she can use her loss for whatever damned reason she chooses including a symbolic slap at Bush.

 

[Tigger_Magic]

And what the Viet Nam war created was a generation who does not trust their government, especially when it comes to war.

I think that Watergate had more to do with that than the Vietnam War.

 

[BuckNaked]

So?



And maybe that's part of the problem. Why don't you think you have the right to tell Bush or any president what kind of a job you think they're doing? They work for you, you don't work for them, although you have a little different slant.

Of course we have the right to let the President know what kind of job he's doing. But we don't have the right to expect his personal attention and face time with him.

Geez, an American citizen exercising their right to protest.....the nerve.

Perhaps I've missed it, but where has anyone said that she shouldn't exercise her right to protest? For me, it isn't the fact that she's protesting, but rather her belief that she has the right to personal time with the President.