Bush resists immediate probe into Katrina response

[Southern4sure]

Gee...I wonder if people defended Nero, too.

Is there anything this clown could do that some people wouldn't defend ? i honestly think the guy could light the original bill of rights on fire, and people would applaud him for providing light that they could read by.

I didnt ask Totalia because Im defending Bush...if you think so your wrong! I have a legit question and I think I am being polite about it. If you want to twist it around...so be it. Im not attacking or flaming, I asked an honest question.

 

[shelby_36]

There is a difference between leaving your native country because of the govt. (my inlaws did this in the 70's due to communism-very difficult) and choosing to uproot from your country you disagree with to move to a new country that you disagree with.

 

[totalia]

Totalia I am not taking shots at you. I asked a honest question because I really am interested in knowing. I always hear about foreigners who want to live in American for whatever reason. But I always read you posts about American and it is always negative in some way so why would you want to live in a place that you constantly criticize? I dont think that is taking shots at you...Im just curious...thats it...honestly.

I'm not trying to enter your country to live off you. I'm not trying to enter the country under the deluded notion that I may find my fortune or whatever the hell else others tend to think.

I hate the current gvt. And I hate idiots in leader positions. I don't hate the people.

 

[WDWBetsy]

I think we've discovered that it's completely useless to debate the issues involved in the situation when many simply won't look at the facts.

Gee, that's funny. I was thinking the same thing, but I guess we're looking at the different facts.

For those who want to let things remain the same and not get rid of the incompetent people, I sincerely hope that the next disaster doesn't get here before those appointed officials are out of office, because I really fear their response the next time.

I love my country and want the best for it and my fellow citizens. Just because I speak up doesn't make me unpatriotic or someone who hates Bush or anyone else. I expect accountability from my leaders.

I think you'd find me to be a nice person who hates seeing people suffering and sometimes the lack of caring really irks me. I'm not afraid to admit when I'm wrong, but I also stand my ground when I believe in something. That's all.

Dissent is the highest form of patriotism -- Thomas Jefferson

 

[totalia]

There is a difference between leaving your native country because of the govt. (my inlaws did this in the 70's due to communism-very difficult) and choosing to uproot from your country you disagree with to move to a new country that you disagree with.

See the commonality there?

 

[totalia]

I think we've discovered that it's completely useless to debate the issues involved in the situation when many simply won't look at the facts.

Gee, that's funny. I was thinking the same thing, but I guess we're looking at the different facts.

For those who want to let things remain the same and not get rid of the incompetent people, I sincerely hope that the next disaster doesn't get here before those appointed officials are out of office, because I really fear their response the next time.

I love my country and want the best for it and my fellow citizens. Just because I speak up doesn't make me unpatriotic or someone who hates Bush or anyone else. I expect accountability from my leaders.

I think you'd find me to be a nice person who hates seeing people suffering and sometimes the lack of caring really irks me. I'm not afraid to admit when I'm wrong, but I also stand my ground when I believe in something. That's all.

Dissent is the highest form of patriotism -- Thomas Jefferson

Well said.

 

[WDWBetsy]

The U.S. military and NO police are doing the best they possibly can. If the rescue operation was so bad as the left believes why have we evacuated more than 182,000 people. Pretty remarkable if you ask me.

What happened in the immediate days after the flooding began was not acceptable, and if that's the best they can do - that's a sorry excuse. Our own President said it wasn't acceptable.

 

[wvrevy]

I didnt ask Totalia because Im defending Bush...if you think so your wrong! I have a legit question and I think I am being polite about it. If you want to twist it around...so be it. Im not attacking or flaming, I asked an honest question.

If you had a legitimate question for totalia about why she chooses to move here, why not PM it to her ? No, you were trying to score a "point", and the other "love it or leave it" person on this thread jumped in with "Maybe her fiance should move to Canada" right after that.

Sorry, if I misread your intentions, I apologize. But I've been in an awful lot of political discussions on this and other boards, and the "tone" of your post is exactly like all the "love it or leave it" posts I've seen from the right.

One doesn't have to love the government of a country to love the country. God knows, I certainly don't.

 

[WDWBetsy]

Let's say the relief efforts had been absolutely perfect (which I'm positive would have happened if a Democrat had been president). Here's something that will shock you - thousands of people still would have died. This notion that the suffering is directly and SOLELY the result of the response is nonsense. People were still stranded in their homes, and in the Superdome. They are still rescuing people from houses today. They've been doing that since Tuesday, contrary to popular belief. People are forgetting that this was the biggest natural disaster in our history. If you have seen the pictures of the complete devastation of the coastline of three states, you'd realize this. It is not easy to get to these people, they are suffering and stranded. The U.S. military and NO police are doing the best they possibly can. If the rescue operation was so bad as the left believes why have we evacuated more than 182,000 people. Pretty remarkable if you ask me.

Yes, rescue efforts have been doing a magnificent job since the very beginning - and they're still saving people. But they needed more help! And we were repeatedly told that more help was on the way. But if our own leaders are putzing around while people are dying, that's a problem. I don't care if it's a Democrat or Republican in charge. Things didn't go right (as Bush himself indicated), and as an American citizen - I want things to be improved, not stay stagnant. There's nothing wrong with demanding competency - that's all I'm saying.

 

[totalia]

Exactly. Its something every citizen of every country and form of gvt should demand.

 

[M:SteveO]

Yes, rescue efforts have been doing a magnificent job since the very beginning - and they're still saving people. But they needed more help! And we were repeatedly told that more help was on the way. But if our own leaders are putzing around while people are dying, that's a problem. I don't care if it's a Democrat or Republican in charge. Things didn't go right (as Bush himself indicated), and as an American citizen - I want things to be improved, not stay stagnant. There's nothing wrong with demanding competency - that's all I'm saying.

I agree with this. I just have a problem with people solely blaming the federal gov't and the president for the response. That's the "facts" I was talking about. If Bush himself indicated that there were problems why do you think that he will resist a probe into what went wrong. He announced today that he will support a probe, just not now. Now is not the time, as any public official will tell you. I just get fed up with all the Bush bashing when it is not called for. Trust me, I'm not a huge fan of the guy. I could give you a long list of things I'm not happy with because of him (i.e. military plans in Iraq, immigration, spending, etc.). But when it is unjustified to bash him, I get a little annoyed. He is the leader, but not always the scapegoat.

 

[Southern4sure]

If you had a legitimate question for totalia about why she chooses to move here, why not PM it to her ? No, you were trying to score a "point", and the other "love it or leave it" person on this thread jumped in with "Maybe her fiance should move to Canada" right after that.

Sorry, if I misread your intentions, I apologize. But I've been in an awful lot of political discussions on this and other boards, and the "tone" of your post is exactly like all the "love it or leave it" posts I've seen from the right.

One doesn't have to love the government of a country to love the country. God knows, I certainly don't.

Im only held accountable for my own words and I was not trying to score a point.... . I didnt realize public message board chat had "tones". Please enlightened me what words in black and white have tones? I will not and do not intend to speak for someone I do not know.

Apology accepted...

 

[totalia]

Thank you wrevy. You and I have disagreed on alot of things. Rather vehemently too. So I really must say thank you. It is appreciated.

 

[staci]

Just wondering why you'd want to come into a country you obviously don't agree with the present govet. Maybe you'd be happier if you waited until Bush is out of office.

49% of this country is not a Bush fan.

I dont know totalia at all, but regardless of where we are all from, we can have opinions about this disaster. Personally attacking her considering moving to our country is just wrong. This thread is about Bush, not whether or not totalia would be happy as an american citizen.

Do you suggest that those opposed to Bush that are already HERE just move out too?

 

[Pete's Mom]

In other words...America: Love it or Leave It.

Nah, more like if you don't love it, why come here?

 

[staci]

Nah, more like if you don't love it, why come here?

Or, if you dont like Bush, we dont want you here?

 

[WDWBetsy]

Nah, more like if you don't love it, why come here?

Um, because she loves her fiance and wants to live here? Because there are many good things about being an American?

I really don't think it's that wrong to criticize our government. There's nothing wrong with having constructive criticism about something. That's how things are improved.

If our country didn't have people speaking up (and fighting) for what they believed in and changes being made, there would still be slavery, women and African-Americans wouldn't be allowed to vote, and the list goes on and on.

"Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it." - Mark Twain

 

[LandscapePro_318]

Why are you people being so hurtful? Especially right now Just decided to take potshots at me?

Could it be perhaps there are those whom have grown tired of your constant trashing of our country, our president, and our collective response to this natural disaster?

I’ve read your insanity posted on various threads. It’s consistent, that’s the best I can say about it. Blame Bush---FEMA---and the Feds.

You spout rhetoric about things of which you have NO CLUE, only an OPINION and an uninformed one at that.

Read the following link: http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cach...Comprehensive+Emergency+Management+Plan&hl=en

Read down to where it is stated: “Evacuation Time Requirements: Using information developed as part of the Southeast Louisiana Hurricane Task Force and other research, the city of New Orleans has established a maximum acceptable hurricane evacuation time for a category 3 storm of 72 hours. This is based on clearance time or is the time required to clear all vehicles evacuating in response to a hurricane situation from the area roadways. Clearance time begins when the FIRST evacuating vehicle enters the road network and ends when the LAST evacuating vehicle reaches its destination.”

It is also stipulated that “for people that have no transportation, that city municipal transportation, school buses, public buses, will be used to get them out of the city.”

Mayor Nagan of New Orleans did not even issue the “mandatory evacuation order” until 24 hours before Katrina hit. The authority to execute the plan rests with the MAYOR of the city. Period. ( It’s all spelled out in black and white…clear as a bell in the Plan.)

The emergency plan that was in place wasn’t followed AT ALL. Never mind the EXACT scenario of a CAT 5 hurricane hitting New Orleans was practiced a mere 13 months ago in the city itself.

I expected that he would actually be waiting and willing to respond in a timely manner to the formal written requests in advance of the Governor of Louisiana.

NO such "formal written requests" have been produced by Blanco. Only her offical declaration of a "State of Emergency".

Governor Blanco and Mary Landrieu are in a complete state of shock over the fact the voting block that which blindly put them (in the case of Landrieu twice) into office no longer exists. The both of them are in CYA mode. Thankfully to no avail. Their political life is over.

Mike---Louisiana Resident / American

And No, I wasn't posting about Sean Penn "in jest"...

 

[WebmasterAlex]

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