Bush Lied-intelligence and facts fixed to support war in Iraq

[HOGFAN]

I wish folks that didnt live here would stay out of our business and our elections.

 

[dsanner106]

I think what amazes me most is how the liberal side can paint Bush as both an evil genius and idiot in the same sentence, so which is it? This is a problem with the Dems in general right now, they can't pick one direction and stay on course. If they want a hope for re-taking the white house, or even the support of a majority of americans, they will have to find a backbone and create a platform they will actually support and not flip flop on if public opinion sways a bit. Walk the walk.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

Yep...wildly amusing isn't he?

The "spewed, rehashed rhetoric" is usually the talking points du jour of Oberfuhrer Rush, Faux News or the Freepers.

Welcome back.

If you can't win the argument, resort to name calling.

I'm serious. GW Bush and Tony Blair have done far more to fight terrorism and spread freedom than Carter and Arafat have ever done.

 

[chobie]

I think what amazes me most is how the liberal side can paint Bush as both an evil genius and idiot in the same sentence, so which is it?

Idiot

 

[Disney Gator]

I think what amazes me most is how the liberal side can paint Bush as both an evil genius and idiot in the same sentence, so which is it? This is a problem with the Dems in general right now, they can't pick one direction and stay on course. If they want a hope for re-taking the white house, or even the support of a majority of americans, they will have to find a backbone and create a platform they will actually support and not flip flop on if public opinion sways a bit. Walk the walk.

That is interesting. Did he come up with the fake intelligence himself? Is he behind this conspiracy? Or is he an idiot? I don't see how he could possibly be both. My vote is for him being an idiot. He is the President after all, anyone who gets elected to that office can't have a strong intellect or any firm views on anything. Sure people like that may run for President, but the American people will always elect the ones with the least intelligence.

You just have to look at our last dozen or so Presidents to see that.

So obviously there is no conspiracy. If there is one then Bush can't be the one behind it, he's too stupid. I think maybe the liberals need to look a little deeper and find someone else who may actually be capable of such a conspiracy.

 

[Teejay32]

The Quagmire

As the Iraq war drags on, it's beginning to look a lot like Vietnam

By ROBERT DREYFUSS

I'm worried that Robert is going to die of some cliche-related illness one of these days. You need a timeline to appreciate what a sock puppet he is:

Iraq Turning Point?

October 27, 2004 The turning point in the Iraq crisis could come on November 22, when the world's powers meet to talk about Iraq. It's a way out. It's like a neon sign, blinking: "Exit, This Way." France, Egypt and Saudi Arabia could organize this, with UN support, with a deal including the opposition forces in Iraq. Wednesday 10:36 AM

Meanwhile, Outside Fallujah...

November 09, 2004 Occupying Fallujah won't end the violence. It will only create another new symbol of the U.S. occupation. Tuesday 9:20 AM

Showdown in Sharm

November 22, 2004 The conference in Egypt that begins today might have been a way to create a unified Iraqi consensus, minus the outright terrorists. Now, it won't. Monday 10:42 AM

Iraqi Resistance and Jan. 30

December 06, 2004 The seven weeks or so between now and Jan. 30—the scheduled date for the elections in Iraq—is by far the most critical period for the region since the start of the war itself. Monday 11:44 AM

Brigades of Fury

December 09, 2004 Sistani is intent on imposing his will, like most would-be dictators. Hiding under the label of "quietist,"—that is, apolitical—the in fact extremely political Sistani is using his muscle to force all Shiite factions into a unified election list. Thursday 11:55 AM

Iranian Manchurian

December 16, 2004 Iraqi Defense Minister Hazim Shalaan's statement that Ayatollah Sistani's Shiite fascist party is a Trojan Horse for Iran is a stunner, and the fact that he is a chief actor in the puppet U.S. interim government doesn't take away from the fundamental truth of what he had to say. Thursday 11:30 AM

Mosul: No Fallujah

December 21, 2004 In the end, the battle of Fallujah will be nothing compared to what seems to be emerging as the battle of Mosul. Tuesday 3:50 Pm

Vote Fraud In Iraq

December 23, 2004 My assessment is that any election too scary for the monitors to monitor isn't worth having. Thursday 10:28 AM

The Jan. 30 Fraud

January 03, 2005 Adnan Pachachi is a Sunni politician, a pre-Saddam era foreign minister, and a leading candidate for the hand-picked job that Prime Minister Allawi has now. He is a conservative, pro-Gulf monarchy businessman, with ties to the CIA. And he wants to delay the Jan. 30 elections. Monday 10:55 AM

Weighing The Odds

January 05, 2005 Chances that the elections in Iraq scheduled for Jan. 30 now won't be held have risen from one in 10 to perhaps two or three in 10, and the momentum is working against the vote. Wednesday 12:22 PM

Out Of Iraq

January 10, 2005 Talk is growing about an American withdrawal from Iraq, but ironically the election on Jan. 30—which is likely to intensify strife in the country—will make it harder, not easier, to stage a U.S. exit. Monday 11:27 AM

Bungling To Jan. 30

January 11, 2005 The United States has rejected one of the last "last chances" for a deal to unify Iraq with the Sunni establishment. Tuesday 10:30 AM

Elections—or Civil War?

I've been hammering for weeks now to postpone or cancel the elections scheduled for 18 days from now. Finally, the New York Times weighs in, and not a moment too soon. Wednesday 10:57 AM

WMD? Oh Yeah, That

January 12, 2005 The papers report this morning that finally, after two years and probably a billion dollars in expense, the Bush administration finally gave up looking for Iraq's weapons of mass destruction. Wednesday 4:45 PM

Bizarro Election

January 18, 2005 One of the funniest things about the upcoming Iraqi election is the plan to ban all private vehicular traffic on election day. How are people supposed to get to the polls? Why don't they just impose an all-day curfew and order people to stay in their homes? That would make the election safe. Tuesday 12:42 PM

(Jan 30th - Iraqis vote)

The Phony Vote

January 31, 2005It doesn't matter how many people voted yesterday in Iraq. In the end, the Iraqi parliament that results from yesterday's vote will be illegitimate, having been elected under the guns of U.S. soldiers
Monday 11:25 AM

 

[SlightlyGoofy]

Disney Gator, I am well aware that I am out of my element in this discussion but I have a thought, have you ever read any Ayn Rand? Her thoughts on our leaders and who really leads are quite interesting and IMO very true.

Slightly Goofy

 

[SlightlyGoofy]

"I wish folks that didnt live here would stay out of our business and our elections."

Hogfan, just curious, do you live in the US or Iraq?

I am a student of history and have many mixed feelings about whether we should or should not be involved in other country's problems. George Washington said no but then he did not live in our times when everyone is just a short flight away.

One thing I do know is that I do not care for anyone else but us to make decisions for this country. Bet every other country feels the same. (with the possible exception of when they want our dollars but they are only kidding us then)

I vote that we bring Walt back and him turn the entire world into DW where all we would have to worry about is strollers and electric wheelchairs cutting us off. (a gal can dream)

Slightly Goofy

 

[Bill_Sykes]

So now that you've given (ad nauseam) your opinion of Bush and company, how would suggest terrorism be fought?

This is such an easy question. Why don't we go after the people who actually attack the US instead of someone whose Bush was out to get becuase he tried to kill his poppy. It has been documented that Bush allowed Bin Laden to escape in Tora Bora because he would not send US special forces in who were in the process of being re-deployed for use in Iraq. Instead of going after someone who was of no danger to the US, it would have been smart to use our troops to catch the person who actually attack the US.

The facts and the intelligence was fixed to support the invasion of Iraq. Instead of completing the job in Afghanstan, we let Bin Laden escape. It really sounds like Bush is doing a poor job on the war on terror.

 

[SlightlyGoofy]

Rokkitsci, thank you for the kind offer. Name the subject, take any side (except for child abuse) and I can probably argue it. LOL

What makes this country the greatest in history, including the present, IMHO is the ability of our people to attain an education if they want one and that they are allowed to voice it, without fear (mostly, not quite perfect there). Any one person, man or woman, is not perfect but if you put enough minds together it will balance out to as near perfect as we mortals can dream of.

You all are proving a point - it IS possible to disagree without being disagreeable.

Why don't some of you run for office. I would vote for you.

Slightly Goofy

 

[Laura]

You will never get an answer. I have been asking versions of the same question about every one of their "issues" ever since I have been on the DIS board.

These LW radicals have no ideas of their own that they are willing to share because they know all their ideas are fundamentally corrupt. The only thing they are willing to do is pick out something that HAS been done and say = "I would not have done THAT."

Then they turn to what they CAN do really well - make up different ways of spelling Bu$h and putting as many perjoratives in front of it that they can find in their thesauri. Oh yes - and cutting and pasting screeds from various LW radical websites. === third grade insults and lazy plagarizm.

In other words they are intellectually bankrupt, to complement their moral squalor and rampant hypocracy.

That's a great big pile o' baloney and insulting to anyone who disagrees with you. Left-wing notions are just as good as right-wing ones, and there are nutjobs on both sides. I don't think one side is wholly right or wrong, but I agree more with the left than the right. Big deal. I'm no more ignorant, immoral or hypocritical than most conservatives.

There are many ways to fight terrorism. You can use good intel to spy on them and get to them before they board a plane or strap on the suicide bomb. You can also use that intel to find their sources of funding. Military action could be necessary in some cases, as in Afghanistan to fight the government that had funded Al Qaeda.

In Iraq's case, Saddam Hussein was considered an "infidel" (aka secular socialist) by Osama bin Laden, so to me it seemed really pointless to pursue Iraq under the guise of fighting the war on terrorism. To make matter worse, the way the war was played out (not closing borders, etc.) terrorists linked to Al Qaeda have been able to enter Iraq and fight the US troops there and anyone who supports them. The insurgents aren't all real insurgents; they're not for freeing Saddam from his prison cell and reinstating the former regime. But once Bin Laden saw a Muslim country being attacked by the US, he released a statement saying "Socialists are infidels wherever they are. ...It does not hurt that in current circumstances, the interests of Muslims coincide with the interests of the socialists in the war against crusaders."
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0211-11.htm

 

[Charade]

This is such an easy question. Why don't we go after the people who actually attack the US instead of someone whose Bush was out to get because he tried to kill his poppy. It has been documented that Bush allowed Bin Laden to escape in Tora Bora because he would not send US special forces in who were in the process of being re-deployed for use in Iraq. Instead of going after someone who was of no danger to the US, it would have been smart to use our troops to catch the person who actually attack the US.

The facts and the intelligence was fixed to support the invasion of Iraq. Instead of completing the job in Afghanistan, we let Bin Laden escape. It really sounds like Bush is doing a poor job on the war on terror.

If it's such an easy question, why answer it with another? And to answer your question, we have and are still hunting down Al-Quada and OBL.

I don't believe that removing troops from Afghanistan affected the chase for OBL. You can have a different opinion if you like.

Obviously, you missed my point. I asked Leb to basically disregard Iraq because we all know y'all wouldn't have gone after him for anything (except we should have marched into Baghdad during the first Gulf war and we wouldn't be were we are now). But as you have demonstrated many times, hindsight is alway 20/20.

And obviously going after those that were directly involved in 9-11 (and any other terrorist attack) is the right thing to do, I'm interested in more of a general answer.

We already know that you believe (most of) whatever Bush has done (or not done) to battle global terrorism was either wrong or ineffective. We got that.

What is *your* plan?

 

[ThAnswr]

This is my hobby. It keeps me off the streets and out of worse trouble...

Me and you both.

I guess I don't, in those terms. Success or failure, black or white. I expect some successes, some failures, some benefits, some unforeseen drawbacks...I don't think we had a choice but to wage a "war" on terror. We can still disagree on methods used from now til the end of time.

I had no problem with the war in Afghanistan as did most Americans from whatever side of the political aisle. I thought it was the right thing to do. Overthrowning the Taliban, who actively supported and sheltered Osama Bin Laden was the 100% correct thing to do and I fully expected to see Osama Bin Laden in handcuffs and orange pajamas in an American courtroom. Bush failed either through neglect or lack of interest.

Iraq is a bloody failure no matter how many purple fingers they give us. I find it very ironic that so many Bush supporters call it a success when all you've done is put a pro-Iranian Shiite party in power. What a kick in the head. For this nearly 1600 Americans are dead, nearly 13000 are wounded, and the US Treasure is bankrupt. And Osama Bin Laden is still out there.

 

[ThAnswr]

Wow. You managed to complain about the "spewed, rehashed rhetoric" from the right and in the same sentence spew some yourself with "Oberfuhrer Rush" and "Faux News".

Congratulations. Obviously your hypocrisy knows no bounds.

Richard

Well, considering the Republican party is the party of Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, Dobson, Falwell, Robertson, and Reverend "**** for brains" in NC, it's amazing how sensitive you are to "hypocrisy" and how quickly you throw out the charge.

Then again, with that lineup, it isn't all that amazing.

 

[ThAnswr]

I think what amazes me most is how the liberal side can paint Bush as both an evil genius and idiot in the same sentence, so which is it?

It amazes me how many Bush supporters can claim he's a strong leader and, at the same time, make the claim he's the innocent victim of bad intelligence, bad advice, etc. So which is it............is Bush driving the turnip truck or is he just a passenger in the backseat?

 

[Charade]

Well, considering the Republican party is the party of Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, Dobson, Falwell, Robertson, and Reverend "**** for brains" in NC, it's amazing how sensitive you are to hypocrisy.

Well, to be fair, you have similar characters on your side to counterbalance those folks. That is unless you feel MM and Al Franken are part of the voice of the left.

If this were a mathmatical formula, the answer (he he), would probably be about ZERO.

 

[Charade]

It amazes me how many Bush supporters can claim he's a strong leader and, at the same time, make the claim he's the innocent victim of bad intelligence, bad advice, etc. So which is it............is Bush driving the turnip truck or is he just a passenger in the backseat?

He's certainly not perfect. Even *I* will admit that.

 

[Lebjwb]

You will never get an answer. I have been asking versions of the same question about every one of their "issues" ever since I have been on the DIS board.

These LW radicals have no ideas of their own that they are willing to share because they know all their ideas are fundamentally corrupt. The only thing they are willing to do is pick out something that HAS been done and say = "I would not have done THAT."

Then they turn to what they CAN do really well - make up different ways of spelling Bu$h and putting as many perjoratives in front of it that they can find in their thesauri. Oh yes - and cutting and pasting screeds from various LW radical websites. === third grade insults and lazy plagarizm.

In other words they are intellectually bankrupt, to complement their moral squalor and rampant hypocracy.

But I notice you're not capable of refuting them.

A person of your superior intellect should easily dispell an article written in a left wing rag like "Rolling Stone". Have at it Rok, or shut your festering gob.

 

[Lebjwb]

I'm worried that Robert is going to die of some cliche-related illness one of these days. You need a timeline to appreciate what a sock puppet he is:

Yes it's obvious he invented everything that is happening in Iraq today. Thanks for your input.

 

[HomeSweetDisney]

or shut your festering gob.

Okay, I'm not going to let myself get sucked into yet another political debate...but that really made me laugh It sounds like something right out of Angela's Ashes