Bush Family Values

Originally posted by doubletrouble_vb
Neil Bush is not Bush 41, nor Bush 43 and he isn't governor of Florida.

The ONLY part of this story that is of concern is the implication that he uses family connections to make boodles of money doing...what?...THAT is the only piece of the story of concern to voters. The rest is tabloid trash.

I agree...but sadly, that is not what people will notice about this article. Just look at the substantive and informative threads we have had about tans and manicures. Or all the delightful threads making fun of someone's appearance.......something we all aspire to teach our children how to do I am sure.
 
Originally posted by momof2inPA
Glad you asked. I think that with divorces, visiting prostitutes, alcoholism, underage drinking, and the general disrespectful attitudes (shown by the Bush youth) as your core family values any church would not want this family presenting itself as its representatives to the world.



You forgot the DUI and the Cocaine...let's not leave that out.
 
Originally posted by momof2inPA
The Clinton's did not present themselves as the ultimate Baptists. The Kerry's do not present themselves as the ultimate Catholics. The Bush's DO present themselves as the epitome of the Evangelical church.

A clarification - Hillary Clinton, George Bush and Laura Bush are all practicing METHODISTS. The Methodist church is not exactly considered a bastion of evangelicals.
 

Originally posted by cati
This is absolutely stupid. You can not control what your family members do. And any smart person would keep their mouth shut when it DOES concern family members. My husband is a deacon at our church. But his sister is shacked up with a married man, she has two teen age daughters, and she is doing this right in front of them. I suppose my DH is suppose to be responsible for what his grown sister is doing. Give me a break.

Just like Clinton was suppose to be responsible for what his brother was doing.

Just another piece of garbage.:rolleyes:


But the DUI and the Cocaine belong to "W" not "Neilsy"
 
Convicted of Drunk Driving, and Lied to Cover It Up
George Bush now admits that he was convicted of drunk driving. On September 4, 1976, a state trooper saw Bush's car swerve onto the shoulder, then back onto the road. [The Bush camp spin that he was driving too slowly is simply a lie.] Bush failed a road sobriety test and blew a .10 blood alcohol, plead guilty, and was fined and had his driver's license suspended. His spokesman says that he had drunk "several beers" at a local bar before the arrest. Bush was 30 at the time. He now says that he stopped drinking when he turned 40 because it was a problem.

More troubling, Bush lied in denying such an arrest, and still won't take responsibility for his actions. His first reaction was to blame Democrats and Fox News -- the only openly conservative TV network -- for reporting the story. "Why [was this reported] now, four days before the election? I've got my suspicions." He refused to say what his suspicions are, though. Bush admits covering up the story, but seems to think he has no responsibility for the failure of his cover up.

In fact, just like Clinton with Monica Lewinsky, Bush has brazenly and repeatedly lied to cover up and minimize this arrest.

1. Bush Lied at his Press Conference, 11/3/2000
Bush said he paid a fine on the spot and never went to court. That is clearly a lie, as you can see on this court document showing his court hearing a month later. In fact, it was a man also in court for DUI the same day who revealed Bush' arrest. Here is exactly what Bush said in his press conference:
Bush: "I told the guy I had been drinking and what do I need to do? And he said, "Here's the fine." I paid the fine and did my duty...."
Reporter: "Governor, was there any legal proceeding of any kind? Or did you just -- "
Bush: "No. I pled -- you know, I said I was wrong and I ..." Reporter: "In court? "
Bush: No, there was no court. I went to the police station. I said, "I'm wrong."

2. Bush Lied in Court, 1978

Bush got a court hearing to get his driving suspension lifted early, even though he had not completed a required driver rehabilitation course. He told the hearings officer that he drank only once a month, and just had "an occasional beer." The officer granted his request. But Bush continued drinking for 8 years after that date and has said publicly that he drank too much and had a drinking problem during that time. Presumably Bush was under oath during the hearing, though we haven't been able to pin down that detail. The Bush campaign refuses to comment on this contradiction.
3. Bush Lied To "The Dallas Morning News", 1998

"Just after the governor's reelection in 1998, [Dallas Morning News reporter Wayne] Slater pressed Bush about whether he had ever been arrested. 'He said, 'After 1968? No.'" Dallas Morning News, 11/03/2000 [Before 1968, Bush was arrested for theft and vandalism in college.]

4. Bush Lied On 'Meet The Press', 11/21/99

Tim Russert: "If someone came to you and said, 'Governor, I'm sorry, I'm going to go public with some information.' What do you do?"
Bush: "If someone was willing to go public with information that was damaging, you'd have heard about it by now. You've had heard about it now. My background has been scrutinized by all kinds of reporters. Tim, we can talk about this all morning."

5. Bush Lied to CBS, 1999.

"Bush has often acknowledged past mistakes, but CBS News Correspondent Lee Cowan reports that in a 1999 interview with CBS station WBZ in Boston, he denied there was any so-called smoking gun." CBS TV news
Bush also evaded countless questions and gave Clintonesque half-truths. For example, while struggling with how to answer charges of drug abuse, he said that he would have been able to pass FBI background checks during his father's administration. But those checks include the question "Have you ever been arrested for any crime?" So either he was directly lying, or he has some Slick explanation like "I could have explained the circumstances of the arrest and still passed the FBI check."

In another evasion, Bush decided to serve jury duty in 1996, during his first year as governor. On his questionairre, he simply left blank the questions about prior arrests and trials. Then he found himself on a trial for drunk driving, where every juror is eventually asked about prior convictions for drunk driving. The night before the trial, Bush's lawyer asked the defense attorney to dismiss him, because "it would be improper for a governor to sit on a criminal case in which he could later be asked to grant clemency." It's a silly argument, because that problem exists with any criminal trial and Bush had already decided to serve on a jury, but the defense attorney obliged and excused him before direct questioning of jurors began.

Bush now justifies covering up his arrest "to be a good role model for his daughters." How does he figure that? Lying to cover up your crimes is not what I call being a good role model. Taking responsibility for your actions, admitting fault honestly and warning people of the consequences you suffered, THAT would be a good example. But Bush prefers the Clinton route of bald-faced lying, then blaming your enemies and the press when you get caught.

Bush is now the first person to be elected president after being convicted of a crime.

Bush had several other drunken incidents, as well. In December, 1972, Bush challenged his dad (the ex-president) to a fist fight, during an argument about Bush's drunk driving. He had taken his little brother out drinking, and ran over a neighbor's garbage cans on the way home. Bush's atypical public service job, working with inner city Houston kids, appears to have been an unofficial community service stint set up by Bush, Sr. Apparently the governor didn't learn his lesson, because his drunk driving conviction occured almost four years later.

In another incident, he started screaming obscenities at a Wall Street Journal reporter, just because that reporter predicted that Bush's father would not be the 1988 Republican nominee. The reporter obviously was wrong, but a drunken Bush Jr. walked up to him at a restaurant and started yelling "You ****ing son of a *****. I won't forget what you said and you're going to pay a price for it."

In fact, Bush' running mate Dick Cheney now admits he had two drunk driving offenses in 1962 and 1963, giving the Bush -- Cheney ticket a new world record of 3 DUI's on one ticket. No wonder they seem so relaxed.

The conviction is bad enough, but the real question is, what other revelations are going to come later, about his drug use (which he won't deny), failing to show up for a year of his National Guard service, or sexual escapades in his swinging single days?

There is evidence that Bush has more to hide involving his Texas driving record. Soon after he became governor, he had a new driver's license issued with the unusual ID number of "000000005", an action that destroyed the records of his previous license. His staff could only say, weakly, that this was done for "security reasons" but there is no record of any previous Texas governor having done so. Now we have at least of hint of why Bush wanted his records obscured, and a dark foreboding that more might be lurking, still covered up.


http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm#drunk
 
Originally posted by momof2inPA
Do all Evangelical Christians with strong family values think it's ok to have sex with prostitutes and sell influence in Iraq?

So, by this convoluted logic, Bill Clinton was a cocaine addict, Jimmy Carter was a drunk, and JFK was a womanizer....uh wait! nevermind about that last one.
 
Originally posted by Lebjwb
You forgot the DUI and the Cocaine...let's not leave that out.

Please provided docuemnted proof of cocaine usage

As for DUI, well, if we are going to eliminate people based on DUI from 20 years ago, then our choices are going to be very, very limited.
 
Originally posted by dmadman43
So, by this convoluted logic, Bill Clinton was a cocaine addict, Jimmy Carter was a drunk, and JFK was a womanizer....uh wait! nevermind about that last one.


It seems you can't defend the man so you make a weak attempt at deflecting the issue.
 
Originally posted by dmadman43
Please provided docuemnted proof of cocaine usage

As for DUI, well, if we are going to eliminate people based on DUI from 20 years ago, then our choices are going to be very, very limited.

How much fun would you be having if it was Kerry instead of "W"?


Justify defending the first convicted criminal to occupy the White House.
 
Originally posted by Lebjwb
It seems you can't defend the man so you make a weak attempt at deflecting the issue.

Why to I need to defend Neil Bush?:confused:
 
Originally posted by Lebjwb
How much fun would you be having if it was Kerry instead of "W"?


Justify defending the first convicted criminal to occupy the White House.

I have plenty of fun with Kerry's sedition, thanks.

Still looking for the cocaine documentation?
 
Originally posted by dmadman43
I have plenty of fun with Kerry's sedition, thanks.

Still looking for the cocaine documentation?


And I have plenty of fun with "W"'s treason.


Still waiting on the WMD's

Still waiting on Bin Laden

Still waiting on my cleaner environment

Still waiting on my economic recovery

Still waiting on a President that I can trust

Still waiting on a Vice President that isn't on the take

Still waiting on global respect for America

Still waiting for Bush to admit he ever made a mistake about anything.

Still waiting
 
Originally posted by Lebjwb
And I have plenty of fun with "W" treason

No, that would be Kerry treason. It sounds like you depend upon gossip and inuendo when it suits you.
 
Originally posted by DawnCt1
No, that would be Kerry treason. It sounds like you depend upon gossip and inuendo when it suits you.


Proof please
 
Saturday, February 14, 2004

What is the 'Rosetta stone' in the mystery of Bush's questionable military career, the fact that will explain all the anomalies and obfuscations? It seems certain, despite what the Bush bootlickers will say, that Bush disappeared from his military service and did not have leave to do so. He simply didn't show up, and levers from on high were pulled to make sure this wasn't a problem for him and that the most incriminating evidence was laundered from his military files. Even at that early date, Bush and those around him knew he was destined for one of those parasite careers leaching off public funds, and a dishonorable discharge would have adversely affected his ability to leach. But why didn't he show up when and where he was supposed to? The requirements weren't that onerous, and it appears he liked to fly. The only answer can be that it was the drugs, particularly the massive consumption of cocaine that would have shown up on his drug test in his medical examination. But why was he so concerned about this? Cocaine consumption would have barred him from flying, but his connections would still have ensured that he did not suffer the normal consequences, and being barred from flying wouldn't be a problem if you didn't intend to fly anyway. Somehow more levers would have been pulled, and he would have received his honorable discharge, with his earning abilities not damaged in any way. The answer probably lies in the exchange between Helen Thomas and Scott McClellan as set out in Talking Points Memo, which concerns allegations that Bush had to do community service in Houston in the early 1970's, probably because of a conviction for possession of cocaine. Anybody else would have gone to jail, but his dad managed again to pull some strings with the judge to get Bush off with a bit of charity work. Note how incredibly nervous and evasive McClellan is, and how Thomas holds on like a shark (every other 'journalist' in the room could have asked the same questions as Helen Thomas did, but lacked the integrity and/or competence to do so). Also note how the White House is releasing, albeit grudgingly and in a manner that evidences guilt, all the military records. Rove is on his game here. By holding back the military records he has made the military records the issue, and has has managed to divert the media from the real issue, which is the community service. If those legal files ever get out, showing that Bush was convicted of a serious drug offence, his political career will be finished. The real reason that Bush went AWOL was that he couldn't afford to take a drug test. The real reason he couldn't afford to take a drug test was that it would have been a condition of his sentencing that he remain clean. If word of the failed drug test had filtered back to the court, he would have gone to jail. His fear of the criminal legal consequences is why he went AWOL, and that's why the community service is the key to understanding what is going on here. By concentrating on the military records, the media is walking right into Rove's trap.
 
Originally posted by DawnCt1
No, that would be Kerry treason. It sounds like you depend upon gossip and inuendo when it suits you.


Well like everything else you're wrong about that too. Not surprising however.
 
Originally posted by Lebjwb
And I have plenty of fun with "W"'s treason.


Still waiting on the WMD's

Still waiting on Bin Laden

Still waiting on my cleaner environment

Still waiting on my economic recovery

Still waiting on a President that I can trust

Still waiting on a Vice President that isn't on the take

Still waiting on global respect for America

Still waiting for Bush to admit he ever made a mistake about anything.

Still waiting

Look, it's okay to admit you are wrong about the cocaine usage.

What, exactly, would call participating in peace negotiations on behalf of the enemy if not sedition?

Not sure about you, but I worry much more about someone in the White House that worked on behalf of one of our enemies.
 


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