Bush at 36%, how low can he go?

[toto2]

Yet Bush has not committed any crime, yet people scream for his head.

If someone should know the law is the American Bar association , and they say that the wiretaping IS illegal !

From FOX News:

CHICAGO — The American Bar Association denounced President Bush's warrantless domestic surveillance program Monday, accusing him of exceeding his powers under the Constitution.

The program has prompted a heated debate about presidential powers in the War on Terror since it was disclosed in December.

The nation's largest organization of lawyers adopted a policy opposing any future government use of electronic surveillance in the United States for foreign intelligence purposes without first obtaining warrants from a special court set up under the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.

The 400,000-member ABA said that if the president believes the FISA is inadequate to protect Americans, he should to ask Congress to amend the act.

Bush and his administration have defended the warrantless eavesdropping, saying it is needed to fill a gap in U.S. security and is allowable under both the president's constitutional powers and the congressional measure authorizing him to go to war in September 2001.

The ABA has urged Congress to affirm that when it authorized Bush to go to war, it did not intend to endorse warrantless spying.

 

[Charade]

It was naive to think democracy would be the cure to Iraq's ails.

Really? We used to be subjects of the Monarchy of England.

 

[toto2]

And lets see when Mr Bush is finally over with his presidensy where he will fit in this chart ! (Oh , and on that chart , Clinton is higher than reagan , who is suppossed to be one of the most loved president in US history !

End-of Presidency
Job Approval Ratings
ABC News Data
Bill Clinton (2001) 65%
Ronald Reagan (1989) 64
Dwight Eisenhower (1961) 59
John F. Kennedy (1963) 63
George Bush (1993) 56
Gerald Ford (1977) 53
Lyndon Johnson (1969) 49
Jimmy Carter (1981) 34
Richard Nixon (1974) 24


And:

the 20s."

Bush's lowest approval rating to date was a 35-percent mark in a CBS News poll from October 30-November 1 (with a margin of error of +/-3 percent). According to the polling archive of the Roper Center for Public Opinion Research, Reagan's lowest approval rating was also 35 percent, in a Gallup Poll from January 28-31, 1983. The Roper Center lists Clinton's low at a 36 percent, according to a Yank/Time/CNN Poll from May 26-27, 1993.

 

[Geoff_M]

It's interesting to watch people try to turn a Constitutional debate into a "high crime". It this point it's not clear if Bush exceed his powers or not. If the courts determine that he did not, then any law that Congress passes that would restrict his actions in this area would be meaninglesss. Constitutional powers cannot be taken away by laws. There have been four federal court decisions (one post-FISA) that have affirmed that the President has the power to call for warrantless searches in some cases... and people seem to be overlooking this small fact. We'll see where this all shakes out in the courts. I think both sides welcome the legal challenge. If it goes to the SCOTUS and they rule against the President, then most likely the practice (that continues today) will simply be discontinued and that will be the end of it... as is the usual resolution with most Constitutional debates.

 

[DisneyBaby!]

The ABA does not determine what is legal and illegal, that is for the courts and a judge. They are a special interest group who look out for the members. For them to come out saying that, well that simply means more lawsuits for them to file to make more legal fees from.

The wrongfull inprisonment argument is a little thin, these are not people forced from their homes into internment camps, loosing everthing they worked for- that was the great Democratic Hero FDR that did that. It is not suspending the Writ of Haebus Corpus (sic sorry, bad with latin), that Was Lincoln.

I don't seem to remember reading any stories about the US tortureing a prisoner to death, just subjecting them to the same environment that any college student went through-loud music, no sleep, naked hazing.

Is it what the most popular thing, or the right thing. The most popular thing was to continue to let King George rule the colonies, just let us live in peace, let the South keep the Slaves to preserve the Union, let the Nazis take over Europe, just keep us out of it. Thank god there wasn't public opinion polling back then.

 

[wvrevy]

Why should the idiot be impeached? How about "gross incompetence" ?

In the 8 years of this disaster of a presidency, we have:

- Become a nation that endorses torture.
- Invaded, for the first time in our nation's history, another nation with no provocation and no real justification.
- Heard the reasons for said war shift from self defense (the "imminent threat of WMD's") and retaliation (the attempt to connect Saddam to al Queda which only the feeble minded actually bought in the first place, let alone still spout) to "spreading democracy".
- Seen our 1st amendment and 4th amendment rights eroded while idiots stood and cheered.
- Turned financial surplusses into trillion dollar defecits...and the number continues to grow so that Bush's billionaire buddies don't have to pay as much in taxes.
- Seen an American city be abandoned to chaos, and an entire class of people abandoned to their fate.

And that is only a tiny fraction of the failures that can be laid at the feet of this administration. Only pure partisan blinders could allow anyone to continue to support these people.

 

[Geoff_M]

Why should the idiot be impeached? How about "gross incompetence" ?

Nah, there's precedence against that... Carter was allowed to serve out his term, after all.

 

[Teejay32]

Here's the reality of "voting for the person instead of the party". If you vote for the Republicans, you are voting for more of the same. I don't give a crap what gyrations the Congressional Republicans go through to distance themselves from Bush. Once they're re-elected, it's business as usual.

There are no Republicans who will do the "job right". Once elected, their "profiles in courage" facade will sink faster than Bush's poll numbers. Why the hell would anyone believe they'll see Republians tackling border issues, trade issues, pension issues, etc. when they haven't done a damned thing about them while they hold all the power?

If you want change, you don't vote for the "same old/same old" party and expect a different outcome. People got exactly what they voted for in 2004 and now wonder how it all went so wrong.

no, the reality is that there's no pleasing about half the country on any given issue, at any time, which some people think will magically change under a Democratic administration.

 

[wvrevy]

Nah, there's precedence against that... Carter was allowed to serve out his term, after all.

Carter didn't let an entire US city drop off the map. Bush has him beat on virtually every front.

Here's a challenge for the pro-Shrub crowd: please point out one, unqualified, unmitigated success that this president has been responsible for (and no, "winning the election" doesn't count...or have you never heard of "Diebold" ?). Just ONE. I'll bet it can't be done without placing enough spin on it to make anyone reading it dizzy.

The guy is a complete disaster, and only someone willingly blinded by partisan loyalty could possibly fail to see that.

 

[LuvDuke]

You really got to find a new mantra. Even Saddam's generals were sure he had WMD's.

Right on schedule. This was "Loofah Lothario" O'Reilly's topic du jour yesterday.

I don't give a crap what Saddam Hussein's generals thought. The fact is the State Department's intelligence group, the DIA, parts of the CIA, the Department of Energy, and the IAEA all cast doubts on Bush's WMD claims.

And, yes, regardless of what O'Reilly and his devoted automatons (any hiding here )believe, Bush and crew lied. Just a short sample in a mountain of lies:

1) Lie #1: Unlike Cheney's claim, there was doubt about Saddam Hussein's WMD's and you didn't have to go any further than our government to find it.

2) Lie #2: Unlike Bush's claim, there were other uses for aluminum tubes other than nuclear weapons programs.

Now do yourself a favor and stop the flights of fancy and talking points regurgitation.

And more importantly and on topic, Bush isn't even close to bottom. Just wait until he starts peddling his amnesty, pardon me, "guest worker program".

 

[TCPluto]

The ABA does not determine what is legal and illegal, that is for the courts and a judge. They are a special interest group who look out for the members. For them to come out saying that, well that simply means more lawsuits for them to file to make more legal fees from.

The wrongfull inprisonment argument is a little thin, these are not people forced from their homes into internment camps, loosing everthing they worked for- that was the great Democratic Hero FDR that did that. It is not suspending the Writ of Haebus Corpus (sic sorry, bad with latin), that Was Lincoln.

I don't seem to remember reading any stories about the US tortureing a prisoner to death, just subjecting them to the same environment that any college student went through-loud music, no sleep, naked hazing.

Is it what the most popular thing, or the right thing. The most popular thing was to continue to let King George rule the colonies, just let us live in peace, let the South keep the Slaves to preserve the Union, let the Nazis take over Europe, just keep us out of it. Thank god there wasn't public opinion polling back then.

Good points all..

If we want to talk about tourture, let's talk about taping the beheading of civilians and airing the tape on TV.

Or we can get real wild and post some cartoons of a religious leader.

 

[LuvDuke]

Nah, there's precedence against that... Carter was allowed to serve out his term, after all.

Funny when Rove peddled the BS that "Democrats are struck in a pre-9/11 world", he didn't mention that some Republicans are still stuck in a pre-1980 world.

 

[DisneyBaby!]

Removed the Taliban from Afganistan
Caught Siddam Hussen
Created 2,000,000 jobs
Got more votes than anyother president in history, more than Clinton could dream of

Yes, Carter did not let a city fall off the map, but he did let unemployment and inflation get to double digits, letting the jobs base of the middle of the country fall off the map. Didn't the accident at 3 Mile Island happen during Carters presidency? He was in the Nuclear Navy and he new the risks of nuclear power and he should have know it was a risk and done something to make the people around the plant safer.

I seem to remember people hating Regan and saying what a disaster he was, how he was provoking the Soviets and bringing us closer to nuclear holocost and not making us safer.

I just don't like having a rational discussion with irrational people

 

[wvrevy]

2) Lie #2: Unlike Bush's claim, there were other uses for aluminum tubes other than nuclear weapons programs.

Just wanted to clarify...it wasn't just that there were other uses for the aluminum tubes. That would still give them an out. The fact was - and the Bush people KNEW this, beyond a shadow of a doubt, based on what their own people told them - those tubes could NOT have been used at ALL for the purpose that Bush was claiming. It simply was not possible to use them.

'Course, we all know how these people view "science", so it's no wonder the science was ignored. Maybe they thought that God was going to transmute the aluminum into plutonium.

 

[LuvDuke]

Carter didn't let an entire US city drop off the map. Bush has him beat on virtually every front.

Here's a challenge for the pro-Shrub crowd: please point out one, unqualified, unmitigated success that this president has been responsible for (and no, "winning the election" doesn't count...or have you never heard of "Diebold" ?). Just ONE. I'll bet it can't be done without placing enough spin on it to make anyone reading it dizzy.

The guy is a complete disaster, and only someone willingly blinded by partisan loyalty could possibly fail to see that.

They're all so proud of the success of the "tax cut". Nevermind we're drowning in red ink due the war expenditures.

But, don't ask them to sacrifice a nickel for the good of the country and really show their support of this war by paying for it. Oh my God, perish the thought.

 

[LuvDuke]

Good points all..

If we want to talk about tourture, let's talk about taping the beheading of civilians and airing the tape on TV.

Or we can get real wild and post some cartoons of a religious leader.

I thought you were supposed to be better than "them". However, every dog smells his own.

 

[Teejay32]

Here's a challenge for the pro-Shrub crowd: please point out one, unqualified, unmitigated success that this president has been responsible for (and no, "winning the election" doesn't count...or have you never heard of "Diebold" ?). Just ONE. I'll bet it can't be done without placing enough spin on it to make anyone reading it dizzy.

Again. Aside from the humor in seeing partisans diss partisanship, there's not much point in trying to prove an unmitigated success - half of the country will tell you it's really a disaster. NCLB, DHS, Medicare expansion, corporate reform, the road map for Israel/Palestine, etc.

 

[TCPluto]

I just don't like having a rational discussion with irrational people

You're not going to like it here then!

Please, suck it up and stay awhile, inject some reason.

 

[LuvDuke]

Got more votes than anyother president in history, more than Clinton could dream of

Oh geez, not this talking point again. Talk about your embarassing political observation.

Here's the facts:

1) More votes were cast in 2004 than in any other election. Here's a little correlation: More votes translates into...........golly, gee............more votes. Whoa, what a concept!

2) Bush won (?) by the lowest percentage of any incumbent president.

I just don't like having a rational discussion with irrational people

There's a joke in here somewhere.

 

[LuvDuke]

You're not going to like it here then!

Please, suck it up and stay awhile, inject some reason.

Inject some whenever you're ready.