Bush at 36%, how low can he go?

[LakeAriel]

How quickly the Moonbats forget the infants who were deliberately starved to death feet from their mothers as punishment. How quickly they forget the rape rooms, the childrens' eyes who were gouged out in front of their parents for extraction of information. The jail full of young children who were liberated, the victims that were dipped slowly in acid, the torture rooms, the wood chippers used "feet first", the hungry dobermans of Uday and Qusay. This is the life that the left misses for the people of Iraq.

Is this from the same source as the incubator story in the First Gulf War? Sheer propaganda?

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"Nurse Nayirah" was a creation of public relations firm Hill & Knowlton for promoting the 1991 Gulf War.

Fifteen-year-old "Nayirah" (Nijirah al-Sabah) testified before the United States Congress in October 1990 that she was a refugee volunteering in the maternity ward of Al Adan hospital in Kuwait City, and that during the occupation by Iraq she had witnessed Iraqi soldiers dumping Kuwaiti infants out of their incubators "on[to] the cold floor to die," and then leaving with the machines. The testimony came at a crucial time for the Bush administration, which was pressing for military action to eject Iraq from Kuwait. Nayirah's story was widely reported by the media and Bush referred to the story six times in the next five weeks. The story was an influence in tipping both the public and Congress towards a war with Iraq: six Congressmen would say Nayirah's testimony was enough for them to support military action against Iraq and seven Senators referenced the testimony in debate. The Senate supported the military actions in a 52-47 vote.

In reality, Citizens for a Free Kuwait, organized by the exiled Kuwaiti government, had hired Hill & Knowlton to gain support for the US counterstrike. Hill & Knowlton was paid US $14 million by the US government for its help in promoting the Gulf War. It was not revealed until later that the girl was actually the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador to the US. Frieda Construe-Nag and Myra Ancog Cooke, two maternity nurses in that ward, later said that they had never seen Nayirah there and that the baby-dumping had never happened.

Lauri Fitz-Pegado, later Assistant Commerce Secretary, invented Nayirah's story and coached the girl. She also prepared Iraq-invasion testimony for the UN which was later discredited, and later promoted a book about the rescue of PFC Jessica Lynch during the 2003 Iraq War.

 

[DawnCt1]

Is this from the same source as the incubator story in the First Gulf War? Sheer propaganda?

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"Nurse Nayirah" was a creation of public relations firm Hill & Knowlton for promoting the 1991 Gulf War.

Fifteen-year-old "Nayirah" (Nijirah al-Sabah) testified before the United States Congress in October 1990 that she was a refugee volunteering in the maternity ward of Al Adan hospital in Kuwait City, and that during the occupation by Iraq she had witnessed Iraqi soldiers dumping Kuwaiti infants out of their incubators "on[to] the cold floor to die," and then leaving with the machines. The testimony came at a crucial time for the Bush administration, which was pressing for military action to eject Iraq from Kuwait. Nayirah's story was widely reported by the media and Bush referred to the story six times in the next five weeks. The story was an influence in tipping both the public and Congress towards a war with Iraq: six Congressmen would say Nayirah's testimony was enough for them to support military action against Iraq and seven Senators referenced the testimony in debate. The Senate supported the military actions in a 52-47 vote.

In reality, Citizens for a Free Kuwait, organized by the exiled Kuwaiti government, had hired Hill & Knowlton to gain support for the US counterstrike. Hill & Knowlton was paid US $14 million by the US government for its help in promoting the Gulf War. It was not revealed until later that the girl was actually the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador to the US. Frieda Construe-Nag and Myra Ancog Cooke, two maternity nurses in that ward, later said that they had never seen Nayirah there and that the baby-dumping had never happened.

Lauri Fitz-Pegado, later Assistant Commerce Secretary, invented Nayirah's story and coached the girl. She also prepared Iraq-invasion testimony for the UN which was later discredited, and later promoted a book about the rescue of PFC Jessica Lynch during the 2003 Iraq War.

I am NOT talking about 1991 and what happened in the invasion of Kuwait. The Kuwait invasion was justification enough to go to war. I am talking about the on going atrocities that Saddam brought upon his own citizens in his own country. For instance, like the murder of 144 women and children as punishment for an entire village because there was an assassination attempt from some people who lived there. I am talking about the diliberate murder of babies in front of their parents to punish the parents for not being loyal to Saddam. Frankly, I don't consider the current war a separate war but the continuation of the first war after a protracted cease fire because Saddam neve adhered to the terms of the cease fire.

 

[DawnCt1]

Isn't it disgusting when we oppose the war with facts? So much better for you, if we just stutter and blabber.

Facts?? where??

 

[DawnCt1]

Every oppressed country in the world has it's horror stories. Take your pick. Why were the Iraqis more deserving of our liberation than the others? Oh yes, those pesky WMD's again. Btw, love the Moonbat thing! Now, what to call you guys..... Hmm, maybe something to do with the planet that begins with the letter U?

A. Saddam in all probability did have WMDs that were moved to Syria. There is a lot of evidence for that.
B. He was determined to eventually procure a nuke after the sanctions were lifted. France, Russia and Germany were attempting to move in that direction.
Its a lot easier to disarm someone who is attempting to procure a nuke than after he actually has one.
C. Iraq is in a strategic position in the Middle East. A democracy in that region will, and already has had a positive impact on the rest of the authoritarian regimes. Lets not forget that Libya has disarmed voluntarily...after we invaded Iraq.

 

[DawnCt1]

CITIZENS OF EARTH, DO NOT LISTEN! DAWNCT1 IS THE CODENAME FOR UMBONGO THE EVIL CLOWNFISH WHO RECIDES DEEP IN THE PACIFIC OCEAN. EVERYTHING THAT IS SAID IS A TRAP TO LURE SIMPLE FOLK INTO BELIEVING THE WRONG THING.

Put on your aluminum foil helmet and your insulated rubber flippers. I am sending you telepathic messages that will clear your clouded thinking.

 

[DawnCt1]

No-one misses the old regime or it's tyrannical leaders; that is not our objection when it comes to the war. Rather, it has been fabricated by the hysterical right in order to shame away people who question the short-fallings of the war.



Rich::

Rich, it sounds like some people DO miss the old regime and want them restored. If you do not want things to revert to the way they were, because now you just admitted that it was tyrannical, you will have to concede that we need to be successful in bringing the current situation to a positive conclusion.
That cannot be done without stablizing the country, standing up their armed forces so that they can protect themselves and their citizens. Having an active, just police force and a functioning fair court system and having a freely elected government. If we were to withdraw before those systems are in place, you do have to concede that those things that create a safe and secure society will not materialize. How do you suppose Iraq will be impacted by the withdrawal of American and allied troops?? We will never agree with each other on how or why we should have gotton into Iraq but we are there now. What is your solution???? Cut and run? or Finish the Job?

 

[Planogirl]

It's great to want a Democracy in Iraq but even if we stay there for years and years, there is no guarantee that their government will remain so. Those people are not like us; they have different beliefs and backgrounds and will never be a mini-version of the United States if that's the hope.

So how will you ever say with certainty that the job is finished? It seems impossible to even train the Iraqi military to do their part.

 

[DawnCt1]

It's great to want a Democracy in Iraq but even if we stay there for years and years, there is no guarantee that their government will remain so. Those people are not like us; they have different beliefs and backgrounds and will never be a mini-version of the United States if that's the hope.

So how will you ever say with certainty that the job is finished? It seems impossible to even train the Iraqi military to do their part.

Turkey is a democracy but no one would ever say that it is a mini version of the United States. Its a Muslim country that is also a democracy. How long were we in Germany?? Oh yeah, we are still there. They are a democracy but no one would ever suggest that they are a mini version of the US. If we had left three years after the start of WWII, I think we would be looking at a Nazi government today. It is so premature to say that 3 years after the invasion of Iraq that the job should be complete. Independence in a group of people who have been under the thumb of a tyrant for 30 years comes slowly. The Iraqis are being trained to do their part. How long does it take to train a US soldier to become a competent sargeant or an experience colonel. A lot longer than 3 years. For those of you who are teachers, nurses, doctors, administrative assistants; how long did it take you to learn to do your jobs competently and independently?

 

[TCPluto]

It's great to want a Democracy in Iraq but even if we stay there for years and years, there is no guarantee that their government will remain so. Those people are not like us; they have different beliefs and backgrounds and will never be a mini-version of the United States if that's the hope.

So how will you ever say with certainty that the job is finished? It seems impossible to even train the Iraqi military to do their part.

I agreee with you.

I don't think anyone is suggesting a mirror of the USA could, or should, be the goal.

As Dawn pointed out, we will likely have some form of presense for a long time to come, just as we have for the past 60 years around the world.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

Turkey is a democracy but no one would ever say that it is a mini version of the United States. Its a Muslim country that is also a democracy. How long were we in Germany?? Oh yeah, we are still there. They are a democracy but no one would ever suggest that they are a mini version of the US. If we had left three years after the start of WWII, I think we would be looking at a Nazi government today. It is so premature to say that 3 years after the invasion of Iraq that the job should be complete. Independence in a group of people who have been under the thumb of a tyrant for 30 years comes slowly. The Iraqis are being trained to do their part. How long does it take to train a US soldier to become a competent sargeant or an experience colonel. A lot longer than 3 years. For those of you who are teachers, nurses, doctors, administrative assistants; how long did it take you to learn to do your jobs competently and independently?

Excellent points! You nailed it.

 

[Captain Capslock]

Put on your aluminum foil helmet and your insulated rubber flippers. I am sending you telepathic messages that will clear your clouded thinking.

FIE ON THEE, EVIL CLOWNFISH; YOUR LACK OF A COHERENT ARGUMENT WILL ONLY SEAL YOUR DOOM.

 

[LakeAriel]

Rich, it sounds like some people DO miss the old regime and want them restored. If you do not want things to revert to the way they were, because now you just admitted that it was tyrannical, you will have to concede that we need to be successful in bringing the current situation to a positive conclusion.
That cannot be done without stablizing the country, standing up their armed forces so that they can protect themselves and their citizens. Having an active, just police force and a functioning fair court system and having a freely elected government. If we were to withdraw before those systems are in place, you do have to concede that those things that create a safe and secure society will not materialize. How do you suppose Iraq will be impacted by the withdrawal of American and allied troops?? We will never agree with each other on how or why we should have gotton into Iraq but we are there now. What is your solution???? Cut and run? or Finish the Job?

You don't get it do you? Hussein was a tyrant and is on trial. George Bush should be on trial ALSO!

 

[dcentity2000]

We will never agree with each other on how or why we should have gotton into Iraq but we are there now. What is your solution???? Cut and run? or Finish the Job?

I think this bit is totally how it is. Our disagreement is over the birth of the war and in the handling of it, not over the end of it (as we all want a stable Iraq ruled by the Iraqis).



Rich::

 

[Teejay32]

You don't get it do you? Hussein was a tyrant and is on trial. George Bush should be on trial ALSO!

Because he's also a tyrant?

 

[lw49033]

We will never agree with each other on how or why we should have gotton into Iraq but we are there now. What is your solution???? Cut and run? or Finish the Job?

The "job" can't be finished, as we should remember after having had our backsides handed to us by the Vietnamese. People defending their own country will hold out against any invader.

 

[dcentity2000]

Because he's also a tyrant?

Personally, I don't know enough about the domestic affairs of the USA to comment here, but in international terms I would like to see at least an independent inquiry into the statements made prior to and during much of the war.

Unless he has something to hide, the President should be more than happy to oblige for the majority of his citizens and for the majority of the international community.

It's a little thing but it could do so much.



Rich::

 

[Planogirl]

Turkey is a democracy but no one would ever say that it is a mini version of the United States. Its a Muslim country that is also a democracy. How long were we in Germany?? Oh yeah, we are still there. They are a democracy but no one would ever suggest that they are a mini version of the US. If we had left three years after the start of WWII, I think we would be looking at a Nazi government today. It is so premature to say that 3 years after the invasion of Iraq that the job should be complete. Independence in a group of people who have been under the thumb of a tyrant for 30 years comes slowly. The Iraqis are being trained to do their part. How long does it take to train a US soldier to become a competent sargeant or an experience colonel. A lot longer than 3 years. For those of you who are teachers, nurses, doctors, administrative assistants; how long did it take you to learn to do your jobs competently and independently?

I personally don't believe that we belong in Germany, at least not as an occupying force. If we want bases for strategic reasons and the host country is agreeable, I see nothing wrong with that. But occupying a sovereign nation leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.

I agree that Iraq isn't ready at this point. I do see the need for an exit strategy though. We shouldn't play policeman any longer than we have to IMO. Too many people seem content to hunker down and just stay in Iraq for good. I suspect that that might even be part of the reason for the original invasion.

 

[TCPluto]

You don't get it do you? Hussein was a tyrant and is on trial. George Bush should be on trial ALSO!

Come on back to reality Lakey, we'll welcome you back and take care of you.

 

[TCPluto]

I personally don't believe that we belong in Germany, at least not as an occupying force. If we want bases for strategic reasons and the host country is agreeable, I see nothing wrong with that. But occupying a sovereign nation leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.

I agree that Iraq isn't ready at this point. I do see the need for an exit strategy though. We shouldn't play policeman any longer than we have to IMO. Too many people seem content to hunker down and just stay in Iraq for good. I suspect that that might even be part of the reason for the original invasion.

I agree except to say that, at least until democracy takes hold, the decision should not be theirs for us to leave. We should maintain what ever level of presense and support as deemed necessary.

We don't want to have to go back in full force in 10 years.

 

[Captain Capslock]

Come on back to reality Lakey, we'll welcome you back and take care of you.

DON'T DO IT IT'S A TRAP!