Bus manners

[jann1033]

Well, my grandfather is an extremely proud man. It embarrasses him to have to ask for help, or to be seen with walking aids. So, he does the best he can and if someone can help him along merely by offering their seat because he has balance problems as well, then fine. No one is berating you. We all have personal situations. But it's wrong to criticize someone who is "too proud" when you don't know what they're feeling or going through.

totally ot i guess but "proud " might not be the best word to use here imo....maybe he is afraid once he gets in one he won't get out...maybe not the most rational thought but it is difficult to see more and more of your ablilities slip away and want to hang on to what you have left.

my oh my, yet another "happy trip to disney" thread...that guy that holds the gun to some disney goers heads to force them to vacation there must be one scary guy don't bother to flame me

 

[BibbidyBobbidyBoo]

You see, I don't see people as them "expecting" me to give up my seat or that they're too "good" to wait for the next bus and will just be offered a seat. That's why 9 times out of 10, the people I offer a seat to are surprised by the fact or try to decline it. I don't judge people if they don't give up their seat, they obviously have their reasons.

I think some people DO expect it- and I think this thread shows that there are people that expect it.

There are people on this thread berating me and others for not giving up a seat- even after we've already said we waited thru bus after bus to be able to have a seat! I was even directly quoted then said I didn't have common courtesy, no respect nor manners. If that isn't berating me for not giving up a seat even after I've said I waited thru bus after bus to have a seat- I don't know what is! LOL

You may not judge people for sitting... but it's very clear that many others do. This thread and other threads are just a drop in the bucket of those that judge others for this- of that I'm sure.

 

[Luv4Disney]

totally ot i guess but "proud " might not be the best word to use here imo....maybe he is afraid once he gets in one he won't get out...maybe not the most rational thought but it is difficult to see more and more of your ablilities slip away and want to hang on to what you have left.

my oh my, yet another "happy trip to disney" thread...that guy that holds the gun to some disney goers heads to force them to vacation there must be one scary guy don't bother to flame me

He doesn't want to be seen with a walking aid by other people. That's a matter of his personal pride. I wouldn't know how else to describe it. Anyone have a thesaurus?

 

[BibbidyBobbidyBoo]

totally ot i guess but "proud " might not be the best word to use here imo....maybe he is afraid once he gets in one he won't get out...maybe not the most rational thought but it is difficult to see more and more of your ablilities slip away and want to hang on to what you have left.

my oh my, yet another "happy trip to disney" thread...that guy that holds the gun to some disney goers heads to force them to vacation there must be one scary guy don't bother to flame me

Actually I can understand how it's difficult to see more and more of your abilities slip away (or be in more and more pain)- but remember not only elderly people go through that.

 

[Luv4Disney]

I think some people DO expect it- and I think this thread shows that there are people that expect it.

There are people on this thread berating me and others for not giving up a seat- even after we've already said we waited thru bus after bus to be able to have a seat! I was even directly quoted then said I didn't have common courtesy, no respect nor manners. If that isn't berating me for not giving up a seat even after I've said I waited thru bus after bus to have a seat- I don't know what is! LOL

You may not judge people for sitting... but it's very clear that many others do. This thread and other threads are just a drop in the bucket of those that judge others for this- of that I'm sure.

Well then of course it's rude if people expect it!

And the people who have berated you are rude as well. No one has the right to judge someone else. You obviously have your own reasons and conditions. No one else knows what they are and you shouldn't be criticized for it.

It is very sad that things like that happen, especially in a place like Disney!

 

[LakeAriel]

Theme parks require about seven miles of walking each. We should all know that going in. I just got home yesterday and my joints are still killing me. Bus service is inconsistant. The walk from your room is long and the walk from the bus stop to the park gate is a distance too. Every time a bus came the driver would say "standing room" only and let people cut if they were willing to stand. I always waited for the next bus so I could sit. I have a knee injury and if it hurts I take motrin and do as much as I can. If you are pregnant, have small children etc, it didn't happen after you arrived at Disney. You chose not to rent a car, you chose to get on the full bus. If you have to stand or your children do, that is your decision. Everyone pays, everyone is entitled to the same benefits. First come, first served. If you wish to get up good for you. No one is obligated to do so.

 

[BibbidyBobbidyBoo]

Well then of course it's rude if people expect it!

And the people who have berated you are rude as well. No one has the right to judge someone else. You obviously have your own reasons and conditions. No one else knows what they are and you shouldn't be criticized for it.

It is very sad that things like that happen, especially in a place like Disney!

Thanks for understanding.
I am still peeved that people actually had PACKAGES and things in seats though- I agree with the OP that is soooooooo rude and inconsiderate of others! I didn't see that happening during our trip though. I did some rearranging of seats with a family one time so they could sit with their stroller off in a "spot" between seats (you know between seats facing center of bus and the ones facing the front of the bus?) but the rest of the time we, and everyone else, kept our bags, backpacks and/or packages either in our laps or stuffed up under/behind our legs. There were some times I stood and my kids sat (because the lines were so huge that by the time we got to the front I did NOT want to wait for another bus so I could sit also- that was my choice though LOL) -so I had them put the stuff under their legs otherwise I'd be bashing people with my little backpack and other stuff I was carrying at the time.
I guess I WOULD have been glaring if people were standing while others were taking up seats with just their belongings. That's so rude and inconsiderate, IMO.

LakeAriel- I agree.

 

[Luv4Disney]

People come before packages! Why is that hard to get? And if it's a package from a store, there is the option of getting it sent to the resort. And, there is room under the seats for that kind of stuff. Things can be replaced, people can't.

 

[jann1033]

Actually I can understand how it's difficult to see more and more of your abilities slip away (or be in more and more pain)- but remember not only elderly people go through that.

you don't need to tell me ! it's why i don't get an ecv.( I've had an illness since i was 30 that i could use one at times but i ain't doing it , i'll stay home first...well that's what i say today maybe not tomorrow )

i'm not contradicting you luv 4 disney...i was trying to explain everyone may not use an ecv who could use an ecv...it's a big step admitting you need something like that. technically it may be "pride" but there is more involved ( maybe not for your relative but truthfully i can't think of anyone I know who uses an aid that would rather not and didn't have to overcome a lot of grief,,,yeah that is the right word as chronic degenrative health involves a grieving process for what you've lost,,,when they started using it )

 

[DrTomorrow]

If thats the case---then people need not complain either about 1)people stopping in front of others to take a pic. or gaze at the castle 2)whinning kids because they are paying the same or more to go to Disney and whine --not to mention everything else everyone comes to the DISboard to complain about. Im sure all these people that are being complained about feel the exact same way that you do--they paid and they will enjoy it however they want.

I guess thats why society is now becoming a "I want, what about me, ME ME ME ME ME" society. People are getting more into the mindset of "I paid for this" or "what makes you more special"..........its time to get beyond all that, and think about MANNERS and passing them on to your children. Its the basic understanding of "treat others how you want to be treated". If you dont want to give your seat up--thats fine--but someday down the road, when its you/your wife that is pregnant, your 3 yr old child standing--or you as an elderly and noone is letting you sit, or whatever the scenrio may be--just dont complain. Its really all about doing what you would want done for you.

Well, first, there's a significant body of work out there that says that all of the courtesies that were given to - and accepted by - women were an ongoing way of demonstrating their inferiority in society ("Here, let this big strong man open the door for the weak little lady." "Here, you sit where I tell you to sit and I'll stand.") But that's for another thread.

Second, "treat others how you want to be treated" doesn't really make sense if you think about it. If I absolutely LOVE to hear other people whistle all the time, does that mean it's OK for me to whistle all the time? If I'm a masochist (that is, I enjoy pain) and I want others to hurt me, then it's OK for me to go around and inflict pain on others?

Finally, thanks for a few good laughs: if DW gets pregnant, there'd have to be Divine Intervention involved; my DS is 25; and when I'm in a situation where I absolutely need to sit, I'll take great pains to make sure that my needs are met all by myself (rental car, wait until a bus with enough seats comes along) so that I don't inflict myself on others - which would be my defintion of rude and selfish.

Be well!

 

[i like stitch]

Are you serious? It is a bus system and I believe it is one of the biggest in North America. People need to realize that a bus system is not a taxi. It is not the most convenient method of transportation but it is better than nothing. Could you imagine what it would be like if they offered nothing at all?

Well, yeah, I am serious.

We'll likely disagree on this point but I see disney transportation differently than traditional public transportation. Perhaps if I used city busses daily to get to work, stores, etc, I would have a different opinion.

IMHO, I see it as a customer service/safety issue although disney will save more money with standing riders. Disney is transporting hot/tired/been-in-the-parks-longer-than-a-work-day people with children who are their guests. We don't expect even high schoolers in public schools to stand on the school bus so I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest disney provide more busses when they know resort capacity is higher. It's not likely to happen but it's ok to want it.

I'm not complaining at all about disney transportation---we did just fine with it and adapted to the standing, although I lost my footing a couple of times and about knocked over my standing daughter when the bus whipped around the corner. Too bad I don't like thrill rides!

 

[AllisonG]

I am teaching both my DS's (8 & 6) about being gentlemen and having/using manners. I have asked them many times to offer their seats to elderly people, pregnant women and parents holding sleeping children. I think it is a practice of the past that I enjoy seeing used. IMHO, It is up to the individual. My children are being taught a certain way. You were either taught it or you weren't.
I am also teaching them to brush their hair before going out of the house, opening doors for other people, saying 'excuse me & thank you', not using the words 'hate, fart, fat, shut-up, what, crap & I can't'.
Believe me there are alot of parents who do NOT teach their children these things. Do you know how many kids I see in the AM at school who never got their hair brushed? Something so simple and easy to teach a child personal care and pride.
It's all up to the individual.

 

[kaytieeldr]

I did not know this topic had just been discussed as I just got back.

Let's change the subject - let's talk about people using their cell phones while on rides and getting mad because they can't hear

Only if we can also include people using their cell phones to call friends at home to say, "We're at Epcot, we're going into Mission: Space!, I'm going to lose the connection, goodbye".

Both of my sons have eagerly given up their seats on Disney buses to elderly women, pregnant women, and women carrrying small sleeping children. Did I prompt them to do it.....heck no. They did it out of the kindness of their little hearts.

Well, really they did it because that's how you raised and influenced them their entire lives. Good job, and the people to whom they gave their seats thank the three of you!

If you think not offering up a seat is rude, try riding the commuter train to work every day with people who sit themselves in the aisle seat or a 2 or 3 seat row and then roll their eyes at you when you ask to sit in the other empty seats in the row. How dare you disturb them!!!

I know we're getting off the subject now, but when I did use the T's commuter rail, there was a conductor who had to make somebody give up their seat for me (yes, I'm handicapped). I don't remember if there are seats marked "please give up this seat if an elderly or HP person needs it" on the trains, but one time, in a five-seat section occupied by four men and a woman, not surprisingly not ONE man moved.

Yes, the 5:00 train leaving North Station !!!!!

Oh, this IS funny! It's been a while - is that the train that goes through Reading, or the one that goes through Salem?

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Now, what's you all's opinion on this? I do use an ECV at Disney, which I rent offsite. 99% of the time, the bus drivers "strongly prefer" that since I am able to get out of it, I do and sit in a seat while they strap in just the ECV. It's more complicated and time-consuming to tie down the rider as well. But now, I'm taking up an extra seat - four in all. What do you all think I should do (as if this thread isn't controversial enough )