Bully on the bus question

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A little backstory... A few years ago DD had a problem with a neighbor girl (she lives across the street and down about 5 houses). Seems the girl (I'll call her K) thought our rules were too strict and liked to tease our DD about them, it was so stupid, but K got a kick out of it I guess (K is a year older, so our DD was not allowed to do some of the same things this K did). K would come to our house, invite DD outside to play, then talk mean to her and make fun of her. One day I heard K, so I told her not to come to our house if she couldn't play nicely. She backed off for awhile, but then started having other kids come to the door to ask for DD to come outside and play, and would again tease and make fun of DD. The last time it happened got pretty nasty, she stood across the street from our driveway and yelled ugly things at our DD. Our DD tried to ignore her, but the girl just kept finding ways to get in DD's face. The last straw came when K asked our next-door neighbor girl to help her get our DD outside, the neighbor girl felt bad about it and told her Mom, who came to us and explained what happened. K was still outside across the street taunting my DD and I went out and told her to go home, she drove her bike into the street and kicked the side of older DD's car as she went by. I called her parents and told them what happened (we'd always been friendly up to that point) and I was totally blown away when they said they didn't believe me and their DD would never act that way. I told them to talk to my neighbor then, and they did and accused them of lying also. Even with 2 adults telling this mom what had happened, she called us liars.

So, since then K has mostly kept away. Since she is a year older she went to a different school last year, but now this year her and DD are back going to the same school. The problem is that they ride the bus together and now K has started up again and has other kids on the bus taunting my DD. School has only been back for 3 weeks and she is already making it so that DD hates getting on the bus.

What advice would you give to your child? DH is in the camp of "just keep ignoring her". He thinks the girl will get bored and move on. I don't think she will get bored anytime soon because of her past actions, she has proven to me that her mean streak can go on for extended lengths of time and she will go out of her way to find new ways to do it.

Should our DD ignore her or stand up to her? I don't know, but I do know that I am tired of this already. The bus driver should have retired years ago, so she's no help, she ignores the kids and lets them do whatever they want.

The bus stops in front of our next-door neighbors house and last year K would stand in that driveway and wait for the bus. This year she stands across the street and makes faces at DD. This morning I had the puppy outside and I looked across the street and there she was, smirking away. Then she looked at me and laughed. What a brat!

The sad thing is her and DD were friends for years, but one time DD had to ask me permission to do something when K didn't have to ask her own parents and that is when she started calling DD names and it's only gotten worse since then. The funny part is that what K likes to tease DD about is the only thing that is probably saving K. DD is much taller and bigger than K and could probably hurt her very easily, but that is one of our rules, you never hit anyone. I can't believe this has gone on for so long, the girl just won't let DD be.

What you you tell your child?
 
Hire an older kid to pound her. hehehe just kidding!!!!! UGH Bullies are the worst!!!! Have you contacted the school?
 
DD is 11 and just starting 6th grade in Middle School, and K is in 7th grade.

No I haven't contacted the school, DH thinks that will make it worse and just give K more ammunition to tease DD.

As for having an older kid pound her, DD could do that on her own, she is much bigger than this girl... but we have always told her that is not allowed, that there are other ways to handle things. The problem is that this time I can't think of another way to do that.
 

Maybe they will move. Last year my dd had a bully on her bus and had lots of problems with her. She would get off the bus crying on several days because of it. I am glad she does not live in the same street though. About all you can do is just keep ignoring her. You,Dad,both dd's nighbors that are on your side.No one even look at her!! Eventually she will give up. Tell dd to not look at her,sigh at her, speak to her. Everyone just pretend thhat child does not exsist. Even if she asks a question just pretend like you do not hear a thing. It all boils down to the fact that the girl is really jealous. She really wishes she had parents that cared more and was more careful about her activities. Since that is not the fact she (K)torments your dd to try to make her feel as miserable as she is. This eventually worked with the bully on my dd's bus and the girl leaves her alone now. It took a while though. I was prepared to go to the Principal but this method solved it. Also when other children get her to come out of the house because K wanted them to do it try to find out who really wants her to come out. (The kids or K). You might want to look out your window to see of K is around before dd goes out.
 
Believe it or not, that's why we enrolled our DS in Kenpo (self defense) courses in Kindergarten. He got his pants pulled down by an older boy on his very first day of school. It took a while, but James was able to fend off the attacks of the bully without hitting back.

Does your school system have bus monitors? Video cameras on the buses? Or do they just rely on the driver to not only drive but to also police the bus. You should contact the school and at least make them aware of the situation. And tell the school that you have given your DD permission to defend herself. Unfortunately, that's the only option I can think.

I am truly sorry to hear that she is having bully problems.
 
No I haven't contacted the school, DH thinks that will make it worse and just give K more ammunition to tease DD

With all due respect to you and your DH, I disagree with this. Last year we had some bus issues with DS (age 7) and the bus ride from school to the after care program. It got so bad he was making himself physically ill each afternoon in anticipation of the bus ride. And if your DD already does not want to ride the bus, I don't know how much worse it can get.

I was DELIGHTED with how our school and trans company handled things. I would say a phone call to school, speak to whomever oversees transportation, and explain the situation without naming names, and see if they have any solutions. They may not be able to without the name of the little bully, so then you can name names if you have to.

Good Luck! I've been where you are and it's no fun at all.
 
Towncrier said:
Believe it or not, that's why we enrolled our DS in Kenpo (self defense) courses in Kindergarten. He got his pants pulled down by an older boy on his very first day of school. It took a while, but James was able to fend off the attacks of the bully without hitting back.

I am so sorry to hear that, what a horrible first day of school memory to have. Good for James though that he has risen above that and doesn't have to put up with that bully anymore!

No there is no video or moniter on the bus, only the driver and like I said she should have retired ages ago. I did give DD the permission to defend herself, only if someone else starts it. But I doubt this girl would ever try something like that, she's more into the verbal and emotional attacks than physical.
 
The only thing I can think of is this: does your DD have a friend on the bus? What worked for me was to sit with my friend and we'd have animated conversations and giggle and laugh and just totally ignore the other person. Eventually, when they saw I didn't need their approval, they moved on.

Only other thing would be for your DD to stand up and tell K to shut up and mind her own business. Tough thing for a 6th grader to do...it's all about acceptance at that age.
 
Never underestimate the power of deniel.

K is not a bully - she's a very jealous and obnoxious little girl. She thinks if she makes someone feel as bad as her, then she feels better. But, usually, it doesn't make the person happier only more vindictive.

Keep her away from you DD.

No child should be introduced to negativity that can be avoided.
 
mum4jenn said:
It all boils down to the fact that the girl is really jealous. She really wishes she had parents that cared more and was more careful about her activities. Since that is not the fact she (K)torments your dd to try to make her feel as miserable as she is.

I've wondered about this as well. As soon as her Mom said her DD would never do that I knew it was a problem that started with the parents. I actually felt bad for the girl then because I knew it was only going to get worse for her... as long as the parents never make her take responsibility for her actions and cover up for her she is going to feel the right to continue acting like that and some day she is going to get into a lot bigger trouble that mom and dad won't be able to get her out of.

I doubt we'll get lucky enough for them to move, although that would be nice.
 
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How about an MP3 player? If she can't hear the little brat it won't hurt her feelings.
 
During much of the bus ride DD does have kids around her to help her to ignore what K and her friends are doing, BUT, we are the second to last stop and DD, K and the next door neighbor girl are the only 3 to get off. There are only 1 or 2, sometimes 3 other kids on the whole bus at that point and they are friends with K. DD can't sit with the neighbor girl because she is also in 7th grade and there is a seating rule that 6th graders are at the front, 7th in the middle and 8th in the back. DD is the only 6th grader for the last stops, so she has to sit alone at that point.

I am going back and forth on this one, I just don't know how to help DD handle this. I know contacting the school could help, but wonder how K could turn that into more torment for DD.

I am going to look into that Mean Girls pack, thank you.
 
Dh related a story that I think helps this situation- there was a bully who kept at him and kept at him until one day the bully was flicking things at him and he LOST IT and started hitting the kid, who was the all state wrestler and really big. He left DH alone after that.

My sister had emotional abuse from other kids, and she LOST IT and started screaming at the kid who was bugging her. They stopped after that too.

I had a problem with a boy who was making lewd comments, and I was too scared to do anything, but the afore mentioned sister went to my school counsler and LOST IT and the school counsler had a talk with the boy, and he never even looked at me again. I was sure he would start up in high school, but he didn't, even though the counsler was not there and our lockers were next to each other.

I have a theory about why these turned out the way they did- people were pushed so far that it shocked the kid into being shameful about it.
 
When I was in high school there was a girl who would never stop bothering me. She followed me home for weeks, calling me names, laughing at me. Let's just say I can so identify with what your daughter is going through and what happened to me took place 40 years ago.

My parents told me to ignore her, not sink to her level and on and on. It wasn't working. Finally one day she came up to me and started in along with one of her friends. I hauled off and let go with an opened hand slap across her face. I told her if she ever bothered me, that would be nothing in comparison to what would follow. The two of them took off running.

While I don't normally encourage physical confrontation, there is a time and a place for it. Getting that witch off my case was one of the most empowering experiences in my life.
 
It sounds impossible for your DD to ignore the bullying given she's one of the last ones on the bus. The bullying is likely affecting your DD's development and what she thinks of herself. I haven't heard anyone say that ignoring the bully ever worked. Also, K may not be physically bullying yet, but who knows how far she'll eventually go? Consider notifying someone at school in charge of transportation. This bus driver sounds like a security problem if she should have retired ages ago. I wouldn't want your DD to get in trouble for getting physical with K, but it sounds like DD is being pushed to the edge.
 
We are always telling our children that if anything happens, they need to tell an adult right away. Well, you need to take that advice. Tell someone what is happening. K can even be banned from using the bus if the situation is severe enough.

Good luck.
 
Snowy said:
I haven't heard anyone say that ignoring the bully ever worked.


TOTALLY ignoring the bully did work with my dd but there is an age difference compared to the OPs dd.
 
Your child is being harassed and you should bring this to some authority's attention. I know there are lawsuits out and around now dealing with harassment at schools. This would drive me crazy! I'd probably be restraining myself at this point not to give my DD some brass knuckles or something! I hate bullies! What a brat that kid is! pirate: pirate:
 


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