Breastfeeding in the parks

[*NikkiBell*]

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EDIT: Sorry, I read that wrong. You don't have iTunes. lol

 

[jcb]

I've been looking for email show all weekend! It's not posted on the Podcast page and I don't have itunes.

Lisa, here's a direct link: http://www.wdwinfo.com/podcast/roundtable196-091610-email.mp3

 

[WaltD4Me]

Lisa, here's a direct link: http://www.wdwinfo.com/podcast/roundtable196-091610-email.mp3

Thank you!!!!!

 

[ShesAPirate]

I did not feel that the crew jumped into the Muslim conversation or that it had even the slightest connection to the one on breastfeeding. I can't understand how you interpreted them to be interconnected.

Amen, Nikki! I'm listening to the email show right now (but started reading this thread beforehand), and just got past the Muslim conversation, and that is exactly what jumped into my mind. Absolutely apples and oranges. One has zero to do with the other.

For the record, I agree with the team and most of you here. Being discreet while feeding takes very little effort, so why not do that, for the sake of everyone around you?

 

[SusanWasHere]

I also didn't find anything offensive about what was said. I'm the kind of person that takes other people into consideration before acting. I wouldn't pee in public - nor would I breastfeed. I expect other people to have some sort of consideration as well. Once when I was skiing, there was a guy (grown man - not a child) standing right on the side of the trail urinating!! He didn't even try and go a few feet in to the woods. There's just no "couth" (as my dad would say) anymore. For example, I was at BCV this summer and in SAB. There was a woman sitting under the bridge next to the area where they play the games and have a DJ. She was breastfeeding right there sitting with her feet in the pool. She did have a towel over the babies head, but I found it to be uncomfortable. My dad and I were barely a foot away. There are plenty of quieter places at that pool and a ton of beach chairs. She wasn't watching another child. I know it's providing nourishment, but there's a time and a place for everything. And in no way is breastfeeding a topic to even compare to other religions or sexual orientation.

 

[jaysonleah]

Evidently now I don't like the podcast and should unsubscribe if I don't like something they said (thanks rlduval). How is it that if I don't like a statement about a subject that I "just come here to be negative"? My wife and I have been subjected to looks, comments, and the old "it's just like me urinating" and worse comments before. When Pete uttered this jem, in jest or not, it is extremely disappointing because I love the show so much and respect their opinions. I lumped the rest of the crew in with that statement because, as I emailed to Kevin, I took silence from them as consent. They have never been shy about their opinions, or disagreeing with Pete before.

I also wanted to say that in no way was I comparing the persecution of breastfeeding mothers to the struggles of the gay community, I was simply trying to show that any "slippery slope" statements are ridiculous (ie breastfeeding=public urination & gay marriage = marrying my dog).

Again, if you don't want to see it, don't look. It's your problem if you can't keep your eyes off a breastfeeding mom's breast, not hers.

 

[chrisw127]

I'm pro-breastfeeding but I didn't think there was anything wrong with Pete's comment. It was pretty clear that it was intended as a joke. The truth is, not everyone is comfortable with nudity of people they don't know well, even the non-sexual kind. Once when leaving the Magic Kingdom at night I saw a mom ahead of us breastfeeding a toddler while walking. I could only marvel at how coordinated she was and figured that seeing a small amount of flesh was a small price to pay for not hearing her kid scream, but my best friend was seriously disgusted by it. Different strokes for different folks.

 

[stitchlover]

Man I must have been listening to a different show because I didn't take the comments that way at all. As a woman who has a child I have to say I took no offense to Pete's comments. I completely agree that breastfeeding in public is no issue whatsoever but it should be accompanied by some modesty on the part of the woman. I didn't feel Pete's comment was so much about urinating in public as it was about displaying a body part in public.

 

[jaysonleah]

Also, I want to agree with the other moms that most moms are modest, my wife is one of them, but when the boss is hungry, you aren't always next to a convenient spot.

 

[*NikkiBell*]

Evidently now I don't like the podcast and should unsubscribe if I don't like something they said (thanks rlduval). How is it that if I don't like a statement about a subject that I "just come here to be negative"? My wife and I have been subjected to looks, comments, and the old "it's just like me urinating" and worse comments before. When Pete uttered this jem, in jest or not, it is extremely disappointing because I love the show so much and respect their opinions. I lumped the rest of the crew in with that statement because, as I emailed to Kevin, I took silence from them as consent. They have never been shy about their opinions, or disagreeing with Pete before.

I also wanted to say that in no way was I comparing the persecution of breastfeeding mothers to the struggles of the gay community, I was simply trying to show that any "slippery slope" statements are ridiculous (ie breastfeeding=public urination & gay marriage = marrying my dog).

Again, if you don't want to see it, don't look. It's your problem if you can't keep your eyes off a breastfeeding mom's breast, not hers.

Trust me, I can keep my eyes off of a breastfeeding mom. Unfortunately, sometimes people do not take others into consideration when they are doing so in public.

I was referring to your comment about not looking. If I'm walking down a path in a mall, I'm looking ahead of where I am going. If a woman does not cover herself up while breastfeeding, what will I see? Her flesh. That's not appropriate in public and I would have seen it because she did not cover herself up. I can look away, but already would have seen it so saying "just don't look" is a mute point.

 

[WaltD4Me]

Evidently now I don't like the podcast and should unsubscribe if I don't like something they said (thanks rlduval). How is it that if I don't like a statement about a subject that I "just come here to be negative"? My wife and I have been subjected to looks, comments, and the old "it's just like me urinating" and worse comments before. When Pete uttered this jem, in jest or not, it is extremely disappointing because I love the show so much and respect their opinions. I lumped the rest of the crew in with that statement because, as I emailed to Kevin, I took silence from them as consent. They have never been shy about their opinions, or disagreeing with Pete before.

I also wanted to say that in no way was I comparing the persecution of breastfeeding mothers to the struggles of the gay community, I was simply trying to show that any "slippery slope" statements are ridiculous (ie breastfeeding=public urination & gay marriage = marrying my dog).

Again, if you don't want to see it, don't look. It's your problem if you can't keep your eyes off a breastfeeding mom's breast, not hers.

I actually agree that there isn't anything wrong with expressing how you felt about the segment on the show, but I've listened to the email show now and IMHO didn't find it offensive. Pete clearly wasn't talking about all breastfeeding women, he was talking about some who don't take others into consideration. I also think the word "persecution" is going a bit far. If you are covered up and breast feeding I definitely think people should mind their own business, but a few looks and some snide comments can hardly be called persecution.

Once while waiting for our table at O'Hana in a very full waiting area a mother began to breast feed. The baby was not crying, it did not seem to be an immediate rush situation and there are lots of places she could have gone to feed her baby more privately, but she chose to just pull out her breast and feed in full view of everyone without any kind of cover. You could tell several people became uncomfortable, there were alot of children around. I have no problem with breast feeding, but this was just unnecessary and I think more of the kind of situation Pete was referring to.

 

[jaysonleah]

I actually agree that there isn't anything wrong with expressing how you felt about the segment on the show, but I've listened to the email show now and IMHO didn't find it offensive. Pete clearly wasn't talking about all breastfeeding women, he was talking about some who don't take others into consideration. I also think the word "persecution" is going a bit far. If you are covered up and breast feeding I definitely think people should mind their own business, but a few looks and some snide comments can hardly be called persecution.

Once while waiting for our table at O'Hana in a very full waiting area a mother began to breast feed. The baby was not crying, it did not seem to be an immediate rush situation and there are lots of places she could have gone to feed her baby more privately, but she chose to just pull out her breast and feed in full view of everyone without any kind of cover. You could tell several people became uncomfortable, there were alot of children around. I have no problem with breast feeding, but this was just unnecessary and I think more of the kind of situation Pete was referring to.

Persecution is the systematic mistreatment of an individual or group by another group, so I think persecution works here, I won't bore you with stories. While the situation you describe here made you uncomfortable, do you deny her the right to do so? I am not saying your opinion is wrong, it is right to you and no one can change that but you. Breastfeeding, as was said before, is a highly charged subject that has a wide range of opinions from "make it illegal" to "women should go topless" and plenty of area in between.

I'm just wondering how many here, if I had said "I don't want to see gay people kissing" would have said "don't look"?

 

[jaysonleah]

Trust me, I can keep my eyes off of a breastfeeding mom. Unfortunately, sometimes people do not take others into consideration when they are doing so in public.

I was referring to your comment about not looking. If I'm walking down a path in a mall, I'm looking ahead of where I am going. If a woman does not cover herself up while breastfeeding, what will I see? Her flesh. That's not appropriate in public and I would have seen it because she did not cover herself up. I can look away, but already would have seen it so saying "just don't look" is a mute point.

It isn't appropriate to you, who sets those standards? If you see 1 inch less, would that be appropriate? 2 inches? You do realize that when a baby is eating, you see less than you would at any beach in the summer, or any pool at WDW.

 

[WaltD4Me]

Persecution is the systematic mistreatment of an individual or group by another group, so I think persecution works here, I won't bore you with stories. While the situation you describe here made you uncomfortable, do you deny her the right to do so? I am not saying your opinion is wrong, it is right to you and no one can change that but you. Breastfeeding, as was said before, is a highly charged subject that has a wide range of opinions from "make it illegal" to "women should go topless" and plenty of area in between.

I'm just wondering how many here, if I had said "I don't want to see gay people kissing" would have said "don't look"?

No, I do not deny her the right to do so. I did not jump out of seat and demand that she stop. I did not complain to a CM or even comment about her to anyone around me. I said it made myself and others around uncomfortable. My personal feeling is that if you don't have to make people uncomfortable then you shouldn't. Sometimes it is unavoidable, I understand that, but if it is avoidable, I think it's common courtesy to move to a more private spot.

As for kissing, if any couple was sitting in the same seat making out, yes, that probably would have made me uncomfortable too. It's a matter of degrees, just a quick kiss, nope, it wouldn't bother me, just like if the woman had covered up, full on making out? Get a room.

 

[two-foxes]

Hmm. So, am I the only one who has seen people at the parks who by the way they are dressed are sooooo much more offensive that some woman feeding her baby? My eyes have been burned much worse by someone who has been "fully" clothed (a thong picture that floated around here a while back comes to mind....) than a momma who lets her stuff slip while feeding her baby.

I just kinda laugh at the people who are offended by breastfeeding in public, well hidden or not (by the way, Hooter Hiders and BeBe AuLait rocks!!). You're offended by it? You'll get over it! Baby has gotta eat! Are you offended by the people who are offended by it? You'll get over that, too! You'll probably never see them again! You know what they say...Opinions are like...well, like iPhones...everyones got one....and no ones is more valid than anothers.

Written by a proud, Hooter Hider wearing momma who still offended people being discreet! Oh well!

 

[jaysonleah]

Ok, thread over for me, Two-Foxes said it better than I ever could. Thanks. I'm out.

 

[kimisabella]

Trust me, I can keep my eyes off of a breastfeeding mom. Unfortunately, sometimes people do not take others into consideration when they are doing so in public.

Unfortunatley sometimes people do not take breast-feeding mothers into consideration either. I was at the MK one day, they have a room near the front of the park. It is a small room w/a few rocking chairs and it is dimly lit for the sole purpose of breastfeeding. I was in there for a while breastfeeding my daughter when I heard a conversation outside the door and then a young man came in the room and started giggling and laughing. It apparently was a bet to see if someone was in the room breastfeeding. I was covered up, in a private room, and did all the "right" things I should, but was not given the consideration I deserved.

 

[ShesAPirate]

I find myself more and more sick of the word "offended" as time goes by. It takes a lot -- like a serious personal attack -- for me to actually feel the true definition of "offended".

That said, I'm not at all offended or hurt or scarred or anything by breastfeeding. I don't think anyone on this thread is. I just don't think it takes much to put a little blanket over your rack and the baby when you're feeding in a public place, so that no one has any excuse to stare or make comments or feel uncomfortable. That's all I'm saying...

 

[jcb]

Persecution is the systematic mistreatment of an individual or group by another group, so I think persecution works here, I won't bore you with stories.

You posted a confrontational thread about a controversial topic and accused the podcast crew of being hypocrites making a comparison that you now admit was overstated. Your original post begged for the discussion you received. This isn't persecution.

You obviously have strong opinions about the subject. Passion is great but not when it blinds you to seeking a common sense solutions.

 

[jaysonleah]

You posted a confrontational thread about a controversial topic and accused the podcast crew of being hypocrites making a comparison that you now admit was overstated. Your original post begged for the discussion you received. This isn't persecution.

You obviously have strong opinions about the subject. Passion is great but not when it blinds you to seeking a common sense solutions.

Someone didn't read th OP. I never said I was being persecuted, I said breastfeeding moms have. I also never said I overstated. I stand by the fact that I felt Pete (and the crew by silence) judged how some women breastfed and how they should breastfeed in the parks, then with the next email said they wouldn't associate with a country who judged how they lived their lives, I found it hypocritical then, and I still find it hypocritical.

The problem with common sense is that it's not that common.