Breaking news: suspect admits to killing JonBenet

kdibattista said:
The world

John Mark Karr, 41, said he was with the girl in her family's basement when she died and that her death was an accident.

"I was with JonBenet when she died," Karr told reporters in Bangkok on Thursday, visibly nervous and stuttering as he spoke after a news conference by Thai and U.S. authorities. "Her death was an accident."

Confessing to reporters does not count in a court of law here in the states. Did he confess on TV? Or we only have the reporter's account of the confession?
 
Disney1fan2002 said:
Confessing to reporters does not count in a court of law here in the states. Did he confess on TV? Or we only have the reporter's account of the confession?

Yes... it's all over the tv and quite chilling at that.

ETA: We are not talking about it holding up in court... we are talking about who killed her. We all know OJ was innocent :rolleyes1
 
But haven't other people 'confessed' to crimes that it later turned out they didn't commit?

Can't think of any off the top of my head, but I'm sure it's happened.
 
VSL said:
But haven't other people 'confessed' to crimes that it later turned out they didn't commit?

Can't think of any off the top of my head, but I'm sure it's happened.

I'm sure it has. So let me get the logic. Continue to suspect the parents who have always professed their innocence and never been charged but don't judge the suspect who has confessed and is in the process of being charged :confused3
 

Was this guy looking at prison time in Thailand or something?

I keep thinking he confessed in order to get back to the US. If I had a choice between being in a Thai prison or a US prison I'd choose US.

This entire story is odd.
 
Well, has he confessed to actually killing her? The stories I read just stated that he said he was with her when she died and that the death was an accident. He didn't answer other questions, just said "no comment." If that is all that he has admitted to, he's at least an accomplice but maybe not the killer.
 
maleficent1959 said:
Well, has he confessed to actually killing her? The stories I read just stated that he said he was with her when she died and that the death was an accident. He didn't answer other questions, just said "no comment." If that is all that he has admitted to, he's at least an accomplice but maybe not the killer.
That's the first impression I got from the article, too.
 
maleficent1959 said:
Well, has he confessed to actually killing her? The stories I read just stated that he said he was with her when she died and that the death was an accident. He didn't answer other questions, just said "no comment." If that is all that he has admitted to, he's at least an accomplice but maybe not the killer.

Asked if he was innocent of the crime, Karr said: "No."
 
This is an interesting article

PETALUMA, Calif. -- John Mark Karr displayed a deep fascination with JonBenet Ramsey long before he was arrested in her death.

Karr, who told reporters Thursday that he was "with JonBenet when she died" but that "her death was an accident," began teaching children in Georgia and Alabama before he became a substitute in Petaluma, a bucolic wine country town where he lived until 2001 with his wife and three sons.

The Denver Post reported that Karr, 41, disappeared that year after being released from jail, where he had been held on child pornography charges. His father, Wexford Karr of Atlanta, told the newspaper his son had told him he was behind bars in connection with the Ramsey case.

Sonoma County Chief Deputy District Attorney Joan Risse confirmed the pornography charges and an outstanding arrest warrant against a John M. Karr, though she said she didn't know if he was the same person held in JonBenet's 1996 death in the child's Colorado home.

Lara Karr of Petaluma, who divorced Karr in 2001, told KGO-TV in San Francisco that he often spent time reading up on the cases of Ramsey and Petaluma resident Polly Klaas, who was abducted and slain in 1993.

His father told The Denver Post that while Karr was in college as an adult, a professor encouraged him to write a book about the Ramsey case after being impressed with a school paper.

"He researched everything he could about her," Wexford Karr said.

John Karr spoke with JonBenet's grandparents, but the Ramseys refused an interview, Wexford Karr said.

He said he feared his son may have been dead before hearing about the arrest Wednesday in Thailand because he hadn't heard from him in several years.

John Karr declined Thursday to say what his connection was to the Ramsey family.

An attorney for the Ramseys said Karr once lived near the family in Conyers, Ga., but the Ramseys moved to Colorado when JonBenet was a baby. The head of Thailand's immigration police, Lt. Gen. Suwat Tumrongsiskul, quoted Karr as saying that he tried to kidnap JonBenet for $118,000 ransom but that the plan went awry and he strangled her. "He said he was in love with the child, she was a pageant queen," Suwat said.

Two resumes posted online with Karr's name and picture offered possible clues to his whereabouts after he left California.

Starting in 2001, one resume said, Karr was a private teacher and caregiver in Germany, the Netherlands, South Korea, Costa Rica and Honduras, almost always working with young children. The other resume was less detailed.

The longer resume said that in Germany he cared for two girls, ages 5 and 8, and a boy, 10, getting them ready for school and helping with homework.

"At days end, I made sure the children had their evening bath, then put them to bed and read to them before they went to sleep," the resume said.

From 2004-05, the resume said, he worked as a second-grade teacher in Honduras.

The authenticy of the resumes could not be confirmed. An English institute removed the shorter resume from its Web site Thursday in response to a reporter's query, citing concerns about bad publicity. A call to the administrator of the site with the longer resume was not immediately returned Thursday.

Karr, a short, thin blond with a Southern accent, had a valid California teaching credential and passed the background check that included submitting his fingerprints to the Department of Justice to make sure he had no criminal record, Sonoma County school officials said.

But his desire to teach didn't translate into ability, according to one administrator.

Bob Raines, superintendent and principal at Wilson Elementary School outside Petaluma, twice hired Karr as a substitute in second- and fourth-grade classes in 2001. After observing him, Raines said he concluded Karr hadn't been trained, had poor skills keeping classes focused and was ineffective.

"He just seemed like somebody who thought he wanted to be a teacher," Raines said. "After a few days, I could see it just wasn't for him."

He instructed his secretary not to call Karr again unless they were desperate.

A couple months later, Sonoma sheriff's officials sent a letter to school officials saying Karr had been arrested, said Carl Wong, the Sonoma County superintendent of schools.

John and Lara Karr's former Petaluma neighbor, Sylvia Ross, said she occasionally asked him over to her house to fix her computer.

"Personality-wise, I think there was a little kink that I saw," said Ross, a retired schoolteacher and real estate agent. He was "too friendly, too talkative, too inquisitive."

Karr's interest in the case apparently continued during his foreign travels.

A law enforcement source, speaking on condition of anonymity, told the AP that Karr had been communicating periodically with somebody in Boulder who was cooperating with law enforcement officials.

A spokesman for the University of Colorado, Barrie Hartman, confirmed that journalism professor Michael Tracey, communicated with Karr over several months and contacted police.
 
I don't know. I'm NOT convinced the Ramsey's had anything to do with her death BUT I'm also not convinced this guy did either. He seems disturbed, like he wants the notoriety. Like he wants to be her killer, even if he wasn't.

I'm sure there is evidence that the public isn't aware of, yet.

I guess we'll have to see how it plays out in court.
 
RadioNate said:
I don't know. I'm NOT convinced the Ramsey's had anything to do with her death BUT I'm also not convinced this guy did either. He seems disturbed, like he wants the notoriety. Like he wants to be her killer, even if he wasn't.

I'm sure there is evidence that the public isn't aware of, yet.

I guess we'll have to see how it plays out in court.

Yep, I don't think the family had anything to do with it (or I hope they didn't) but after reading the article a few postings ago it seems like this guy was obsessed with the story and maybe he has a mental illness. So, he is now saying he is the killer, getting all over TV and doing interviews with the press. I'm amazed at how close the reporters all were to him, camera in the face and all. He didn't seem at all nervous to me when they were asking him questions. I was very surprised the authorities allowed people to be so close to him.
 
I'm going to be the devil's advocate here --


Something STILL doesn't sound right. I'll believe it when they get a DNA match.
 
They have DNA that was in Jon Benet's fingernails and underwear. If this is a match, I'll believe this guy did it. Until then I'm not making a judgement call. I just hope for Jon Benet and the family that this is it and the case can be closed.
 
There are some holes in the suspect's story. I thought the Ramseys lived in the Dunwoody/Roswell area of Atlanta before they moved to Colorado. The articles about the suspect say he lived near the Ramseys in Georgia and that he lived in Conyers. Conyers is not near Dunwoody. While traffic is worse now, in those years, the towns were still 15 minutes by interstate apart. If the Ramseys knew Karr, it was not because they were neighbors.


I think there's a lot we still don't know.
 
Karr's ex-wife, Lara Karr, told KGO-TV in California that she does not believe her former husband killed JonBenet because he was with her in Alabama at the time, The Associated Press reported.

This statement also makes me wonder.....
 
another thing: he claims to have picked her up at the school and then taken her back to the house....too weird. If he wanted to kidnap her why not just run...would you really go back to the house? Didn't the parents claim to have brought her back to the house and put her to bed - they would have to be lying about that part, right?

Also, this guy was obsessed about this and a similar case...he researched it extensively and wrote papers about it ....I have a feeling this is an obsessed wacko claiming to be guilty......or he took part in it with the family as well...there are still too many things pointing back to the family somehow......


and yet, authorities yesterday said he confessed to things the public had no knowledge of - did he get those details from his research ...if not and he is not guilty, then where?
 
pansmermaidzlagoon said:
another thing: he claims to have picked her up at the school and then taken her back to the house....too weird. If he wanted to kidnap her why not just run...would you really go back to the house? Didn't the parents claim to have brought her back to the house and put her to bed - they would have to be lying about that part, right?


Plus she disappeared somewhere between bedtime and 5:30 am and it was the day after Christmas so there was no school. :confused3
 
It's really hard to make a judgment call on this. For a case THIS big, it's not uncommon for people to heavily research the case and then claim to be the one responsible. In fact, there was a case of that here recently. A little girl from southern Indiana was murdered...and a guy confessed to killing her. Everyone was convinced they caught the guy etc...until it turned out he didn't kill her...someone else did. It was a bogus confession all for attention.

There are way too many holes in the entire case for me to know for sure if this is the guy who actually killed her or if he's just trying to seek attention. Anyone could easily research the case and "admit" to killing her...there's just SO MUCH information out there about this case. And there are plenty of people so desperate for attention that they will even admit to murder in order to get that attention. Is that what this guy is doing? I don't know. But I've learned that because of situations where people do this for attention, it's important to have concrete evidence...MORE than just a few words...to prove if what he is saying is true.

What I do find odd, however, is how well the killer knew the house. If this guy really did it, I find it amazing that a man whom the Ramseys "never" met seemingly knew the house very well.
 
I have a feeling this case is far from over, and many details are just about to surface. The whole thing just does not seem to add up. I guess we'll see how it all unfolds.
 
At first I was relieved that they finally caught the guy - now I think he is just a nutcase who was obsessed with case and is falsely confessing.
 












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