BREAKING NEWS on CNN: Monorail Accident Kills One IN WDW

I just saw that too. Seems the backing up while transferring lines theory that so many blogs posted (supported by former monorail pilots) seems to be confirmed by WDW internal memo.

Yes. One of the trains may have backed up into the other one. One alleged eyewitness told the media they saw Purple ram into Pink.

Purple would have been the train arriving from Epcot. Pink would have been the one that transferred (or was transferring) off of the spur...provided that the transferring theory is even true.

Terrible, just terrible...
 
Local news just announced that the monorails are running today. The 911 call tape has been released. The news stations are working to put them up.

I really don't think this will be swept under the rug. There are updates on Orlando local news about every half hour.
 
Local news just announced that the monorails are running today. The 911 call tape has been released. The news stations are working to put them up.

I really don't think this will be swept under the rug. There are updates on Orlando local news about every half hour.

Local 13 has the calls online. Heartbreaking to hear. You can hear how shaken the girl calling from the station is. People also call from Mickey's Gift Station and other areas of the TTC.
 
Okay. I just listened to three different 911 calls from different CMs. There was a lot of confusion. They really weren't sure what had happened.


The calls are being posted to News 13's website.
 

This hasn't been confirmed, but News 13 just gave what they think happened. They think that Pink was supposed to back onto another track parallel to where purple was parked in the station. A switch wasn't flipped and pink backed into purple. The driver of purple would have thought he would have clear track. Again, this has not be confirmed. It is what the reporter thinks may have happened based on conversations with other monorail drivers.
 
Local 13 has the calls online. Heartbreaking to hear. You can hear how shaken the girl calling from the station is. People also call from Mickey's Star Traders and other areas of the TTC.

Mickey' Star Traders... I thought that was in the Magic Kingdom. Is one of the gift shops between the Epcot entrance-gates and Spaceship Earth called "Mickey's Star Traders"?

I don't think I will listen to the 911 calls if I'm given a choice (if they aren't played on some news show where I can't avoid them).

agnes!
 
This hasn't been confirmed, but News 13 just gave what they think happened. They think that Pink was supposed to back onto another track parallel to where purple was parked in the station. A switch wasn't flipped and pink backed into purple. The driver of purple would have thought he would have clear track. Again, this has not be confirmed. It is what the reporter thinks may have happened based on conversations with other monorail drivers.

that is exactly what I am hearing from a few CMs (who are likely getting news from the same blogs and news we are.) There is also today's internal memo that the paper has that makes mention that the crash happened as the monorail was switching tracks to be taken out of service.

Pink was backing up to be switched off the Epcot beam. Pink thought he was backing up to a clear bay (either the resorts loop or the express beam) but the switch didn't change properly and he was still backing up on the Epcot beam.

At nearly the same time...Purple was just starting it's departure towards Epcot on the Epcot beam, when the trains collided.

According to the facebook group Austin was piloting monorail purple.

Very sad.

I think the biggest issue is why didn't anyone notice that Pink hadn't switched tracks as expected.
 
Mickey' Star Traders... I thought that was in the Magic Kingdom. Is one of the gift shops between the Epcot entrance-gates and Spaceship Earth called "Mickey's Star Traders"?

I don't think I will listen to the 911 calls if I'm given a choice (if they aren't played on some news show where I can't avoid them).

agnes!

Sorry brain fart - Mickey's Gift Station. At the TTC.
 
that is exactly what I am hearing from a few CMs (who are likely getting news from the same blogs and news we are.) There is also today's internal memo that the paper has that makes mention that the crash happened as the monorail was switching tracks to be taken out of service.

Pink was backing up to be switched off the Epcot beam. Pink thought he was backing up to a clear bay (either the resorts loop or the express beam) but the switch didn't change properly and he was still backing up on the Epcot beam.

At nearly the same time...Purple was just starting it's departure towards Epcot on the Epcot beam, when the trains collided.

According to the facebook group Austin was piloting monorail purple.

Very sad.

I think the biggest issue is why didn't anyone notice that Pink hadn't switched tracks as expected.

I think it would have been Purple ARRIVING at the TTC, given the track they were on...right?

Why didn't anyone notice Pink hadn't switched? Good question.
Why didn't Pink's pilot notice he/she didn't switch? Good question.
Why did Pink and/or Purple override MAPO? Good question.

Purple would have had a very clear visual of the traffic in the station. Pink would have had visual aides via the side mirrors and the track itself.
 
Has anyone looked at Google Earth. It looks like the switch to transfer from the EPCOT track to the Magic Kingdom tracks is well away from the station (on the return to EPCOT).

I find it hard to believe that the Pink monorail could have been backing up to switch tracks and not realized that they weren't on the correct track.

Am I missing something?

Take a look
 
So sad.. :( It's a good thing the monorail wasn't fully loaded or there would have been a lot more injuries.. Those seats tend to be slippery as is and people would have been flying all over inside those cars..

My heart goes out to this poor young man's family..:(
 
I think it would have been Purple ARRIVING at the TTC, given the track they were on...right?

Why didn't anyone notice Pink hadn't switched? Good question.
Why didn't Pink's pilot notice he/she didn't switch? Good question.
Why did Pink and/or Purple override MAPO? Good question.

Purple would have had a very clear visual of the traffic in the station. Pink would have had visual aides via the side mirrors and the track itself.

If Pink was reversing to switch tracks it would have overridden MAPO. But that doesn't explain Purple's MAPO system not noticing Pink's.

If you google Ticket and Transportation center and look at the satellite view you can see the where there is an off shoot track for the epcot line to back up onto the resort line.

I think people are assuming purple was departing because it the guests are on purple and since Epcot closed at 10pm it wouldn't make sense for them to be going from Epcot to MK (which closed at 1am.) It would make much more sense that they were leaving MK to get a car at Epcot.

The video shows that the guests were on Purple.

I think........it is all so confusing.
 
Has anyone looked at Google Earth. It looks like the switch to transfer from the EPCOT track to the Magic Kingdom tracks is well away from the station (on the return to EPCOT).

I find it hard to believe that the Pink monorail could have been backing up to switch tracks and not realized that they weren't on the correct track.

Am I missing something?

Take a look

It was really late (1am) and really dark -- the driver may not have realized the train hadn't switched tracks -- there are no lights there other than the headlight on the monorail.

Oh, and the reason why the pictures show the monorails outside the station? The driver of monorail pink was in the front of the train -- they had to back up monorail pink into the station so that the driver could get out. The accident did happen inside the station.
 
Has anyone looked at Google Earth. It looks like the switch to transfer from the EPCOT track to the Magic Kingdom tracks is well away from the station (on the return to EPCOT).

I find it hard to believe that the Pink monorail could have been backing up to switch tracks and not realized that they weren't on the correct track.

Am I missing something?

Take a look

they have to go pretty far forward to reach the switch but as they back onto the express beam (from the satellite it looks to be the express track) the offshoot track runs pretty much parallel to the Epcot beam.
 
If Pink was reversing to switch tracks it would have overridden MAPO. But that doesn't explain Purple's MAPO system not noticing Pink's.

If you google Ticket and Transportation center and look at the satellite view you can see the where there is an off shoot track for the epcot line to back up onto the resort line.

I think people are assuming purple was departing because it the guests are on purple and since Epcot closed at 10pm it wouldn't make sense for them to be going from Epcot to MK (which closed at 1am.) It would make much more sense that they were leaving MK to get a car at Epcot.

The video shows that the guests were on Purple.

I think........it is all so confusing.

Yes, especially when the so-called eyewitnesses are saying they saw Purple strike Pink. Only way that could be true is if Purple was inbound from Epcot.

Assuming that someone did not have deliberate intent in mind, it seems clear to me that several mistakes had to take place almost concurrently for this incident to occur.
 
Not on the monorail, and this wasn't an accident, it was negligence, incompetence, and lack of oversight. That poor castmember had to die for it to come to light, and that's the tragedy.
The opposite of 'accident' isn't 'negligence', it's 'on purpose'. Clearly, this wasn't on purpose. Therefore, it was an accident.

I would say that I'm not making assumptions; I'm making educated guesses, having been in a train wreck. I think Disney's statement where they refused to discuss the way the monorail works is the beginning of the sweeping.
Actually, limiting the number of mouths doing the talking is just plain smart. Rule number one for any organization is for all information to be released by a single source. That way, damaging conjecture is minimized.

Further, I'm sure that they did not refuse to release all information regarding how the monorail works. The communications person would, however, need time to access this information and package it for release.



I'm wondering where the accident took place too. There is that video and a still picture that seem to show the crashed trains in two different places. The Guest video shows the trains inside the Epcot station but I seem to remember seeing a still photo that seems to show the train-wreck outside the station on the beam? Not sure when the still photo was taken as the trains are clearly inside the Epcot station now during the investigation phase.

agnes!
Clearly, the accident happened on the beam.

Here's my personal guess at what happened: The purple MR had just left the station and would have been holding to allow pink to switch tracks. By the time he realized that pink did not switch tracks, he was unable to either get the pink MR to stop or to reverse his MR prior to impact. The pink MR then pushed the purple MR into the station. Pics of the MRs taken outside the station were taken immediately upon impact and prior to the still moving MRs reaching the station.

Both MRs were operating on override because the switch to take pink to the express line should have been open. The switch being open would have given both MRs a 'red' warning, so they would have operated on override Taking their clearance from Monorail Central.

To sum up, both MRs would be on override. Pink for some reason did not switch. Neither tower personnel nor the purple driver noticed that the switch did not happen in time to stop pink.

The pink driver would not necessarily know that he had not switched until his car arrived at the switch point.

Hypothetical cause of accident: switch not made for some reason, no one noticed that switch wasn't made until it was too late.
 
If Pink was reversing to switch tracks it would have overridden MAPO. But that doesn't explain Purple's MAPO system not noticing Pink's.
Purple would have been on override, also. He would have expected a red warning from MAPO due to an open switch. This would have caused a slower than normal reaction to the actual problem of a MR bearing down on him.
 
Purple would have been on override, also. He would have expected a red warning from MAPO due to an open switch. This would have caused a slower than normal reaction to the actual problem of a MR bearing down on him.


That makes sense. While not technically in override, Purple would have expected a red on his system because of the open switch. He also would have expected the switch to happen in a normal fashion.

I also concur with your hypothesis.

Hypothetical cause of accident: switch not made for some reason, no one noticed that switch wasn't made until it was too late.
 
Ever since we heard the news of the monorail crash yesterday, a bunch of us on Twitter have been trying to honor Austin, the monorail operator who lost his life yesterday, by trying to get his name to appear on Trending Topics on Twitter.

If you're on Twitter, please tweet #Austin at 3:00pm EST today. Even if you read this after 3:00pm EST today, please continue to add #Austin to all your tweets.

Spread the word to your Disney tweeps on Twitter! Let's do this for Austin!
 
From post #136:

I would say that I'm not making assumptions; I'm making educated guesses, having been in a train wreck. I think Disney's statement where they refused to discuss the way the monorail works is the beginning of the sweeping.


For being in a train wreck, let me say that you must have dealt with a very difficult situation, to say the least and that is a tragedy that no one should have to face.

That said, your response reminds me of a situation I witnessed some years ago. A truck driver was driving down an interstate (in his company's truck). Due to poor maintenance on his vehicle, a shackle fell off the rear axle, bounced off the freeway and went through the windshield of the car behind. The driver, was not responsible for the maintenance on the truck. Yet, he was driving, thus, by law, responsible. The driver that was struck was killed. Upon stopping, the driver of the truck, who was as distraught as the victim's wife (who was sitting next to him in the car), admitted fault and pleaded with the woman to forgive him stating: "I am so sorry this happened". Long story short, she got an attorney and sued the guy for everything he had and she won. The key to the case, was the drivers admission of guilt at the scene of the accident. So, by being a stand up guy and feeling compassion for someone, he lost pretty much everything he had because he consoled a victim of an unfortunate accident that he was a part.

It would be irresponsible of Disney, or any party of an accident, to disclose every detail prior to knowing the facts. "Sweeping it under the rug"?? Disney is too large for them to hide the truth here. It will come out. But at the end of the day, it will probably be due to human failure and with some ideas already posted, seems that it could be a small error that had tragic consequences.

With all that's at stake, and just in general, for Disney to respond to this in any way other than how they have, would be in bad judgment. They are not sweeping it under the rug, only releasing facts as they are known.

I hardly believe, that anyone at Disney takes this whole thing with anything but the utmost grief and sympathy for the family. The same as all of us fans of Disney do as well.


I won't question what the driver of that truck experienced in that tragedy. He clearly didn't mean to do it.

However--I was in a VERY VERY SIMILAR accident in 1994 (on my sister's birthday en route down I-75 to Busch Gardens).

A garbage truck lost its drive shaft. He had no concern that he left it there--he pulled over about a quarter mile ahead and stayed in his cab.

The drive shaft bounced in the interstate and I had a vehicle in front of me that swerved, a vehicle to my right and a vehicle behind me and my only option was to drive over it--which thankfully it was on a down-bounce (touching the ground at the moment I encountered it).

I pulled over not knowing what happened (all the above information was what we discovered in the next several minutes after the incident.)

Thankfully know injuries--but it ripped my clutch out.

Long story short--the garbage truck company towed in my car, gave us free Busch Gardens tickets and promised to pay for repairs. For the next two months my parents went around in circles (don't ask me why they didn't file for insurance other than the company was, it seemed, taking full responsibility). Only when my parents threatened to sue--did they finally pay the bill and we got the car back.


I was not the only driver in the incident--yet due to my age, the company leads tried to blame my age and get out of paying the bill.

The bad thing IMHO, even now all these years later--the tag on the truck was expired and the FHP officer just let them go without citation. I think that it made it more tempting for the company to get out of it.

The pain of losing someone in the car accident due to debris is unimaginable. But honestly, in my experience when noone had even a scratch, I would have expected my parents to sue the pants off of the company if there was a fatality.

It is the law to keep your vehicle in proper working order. It is not normal for parts to just randomly fall off.

Just b/c someone says they are sorry--doesn't make them not responsible for what they caused so while I feel sorry that he lost everything--he likely would have been found at fault without the roadside apology.


Just wanted to throw my $.02 having been inches away from a similar fate. (My truck driver was a jerk in any case.)




As for Disney--no company in their right mind would admit to anything until an investigation is complete. It isn't a sign of a cover up or anything.
 












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