Brawl at Test Track-Epcot

[chillitsanne]

Dirtbags.

I really dislike people like that, especially when they're surrounded by children. The Test Track line is not a freaking club. Control yourself.

HOWEVER... It was HILARIOUS to me that the one chick was wearing a Goofy hat.

The hat was the first thing i noticed about this lol, it stayed on most of the fight!

 

[Goofy_Disney_Dad]

The worst thing about this whole thing was that the person filming didn't turn his camera.

We should start a landscape vs. portrait poll.

 

[NHdisneylover]

I am very disappointed in Disney that the guests were not made to leave for at least the day (I do not think a lifetime ban is warranted, but being told to get out for the day is). I am surprised that Disney does not care enough for the safety of all their guests to eject people who start, or participate in (by fighting back, not by trying to restrain someone) a physical fight in the parks--ESPECIALLY in a confined space with other people like the indoor queue for a line.

As for the CM, in that confined space where others could be easily harmed, I would much rather see someone step in and try to restrain people than let it continue until security arrived. I hope he is not in trouble over this and certainly hope he is not fired.

 

[NewRVLady]

So am I correct that no one is reporting what may have started this? Its hard for me to imagine what would have made something escalate to this level on a line at Disney, I have been going for so many years and have never witnessed anything but courtesy pretty much.

Possibly bumping into each other would be enough??

 

[OKW Lover]

I am very disappointed in Disney that the guests were not made to leave for at least the day (I do not think a lifetime ban is warranted, but being told to get out for the day is). I am surprised that Disney does not care enough for the safety of all their guests to eject people who start, or participate in (by fighting back, not by trying to restrain someone) a physical fight in the parks--ESPECIALLY in a confined space with other people like the indoor queue for a line.

I've hear elsewhere that they were ejected from the parks.

 

[SirDuff]

I am very disappointed in Disney that the guests were not made to leave for at least the day (I do not think a lifetime ban is warranted, but being told to get out for the day is). I am surprised that Disney does not care enough for the safety of all their guests to eject people who start, or participate in (by fighting back, not by trying to restrain someone) a physical fight in the parks--ESPECIALLY in a confined space with other people like the indoor queue for a line.

As for the CM, in that confined space where others could be easily harmed, I would much rather see someone step in and try to restrain people than let it continue until security arrived. I hope he is not in trouble over this and certainly hope he is not fired.

I agree with all of this!

BTW - how does a lifetime ban even work? I rarely showed my ID when entering (only if there was a problem with my ticket) and, even when I did, the CM didn't compare it against any sort of database.

 

[NHdisneylover]

I've hear elsewhere that they were ejected from the parks.

The linked new report quotes the Disney spokesperson as saying no one was made to leave the parks. I am assuming that is the truth and rumors on a message board are just rumors.
If they were asked t leave, Disney has still chosen to state publicly that they were not, thus basically saying such behaviour is not a big deal to them and will not cause guests to be removed from the premises--bad precedent, IMO.

 

[Dawnlight]

It's very surprising if, in fact, they were not told to leave. The Goofy hat-wearing teen girl continued to threaten the other lady that she'd get it when she got off the ride. The brawl is bad enough, but to continue to threaten after they'd be separated just adds to to it.

I feel bad for the little ones; it looks like the small boy is crying at one point.

 

[Goofy_Disney_Dad]

The linked new report quotes the Disney spokesperson as saying no one was made to leave the parks. I am assuming that is the truth and rumors on a message board are just rumors.
If they were asked t leave, Disney has still chosen to state publicly that they were not, thus basically saying such behaviour is not a big deal to them and will not cause guests to be removed from the premises--bad precedent, IMO.

It could be that the guests left without being "made" to leave the parks. You know how a spokesperson can make things sound a bit different than reality. Pretty sure they just want this all to go away with as little talking and information disclosure as possible.

 

[DisneyBabies]

Since the white woman didn't call the police, I think she was the one to hit first. And it was the minor that she hit.

Perhaps the mom and daughter were just standing their ground.

From what I read, WDW called the police, so I don't think that should determine who did or didn't throw the first punch. But we don't know what started the issue (though my $ is on the early ADR/RD issue a la 7DMT), so what ground do you think the mom and daughter are standing? And the mom is the one who started using the umbrella from China as a weapon.

I watched the video again and as others have said, it's really hard to tell who threw the first punch, especially since the heads of other guests keep blocking the view. But, it looked like the one girl came back towards the mom and daughter and they were all yelling for a minute, then mom started swinging her umbrella and that's when you see girl #1 pulling hair and taking a swing at mom. It was a bit confuzzled, but I didn't see girl#1 touch the daughter at all. Oh, and the daughter ran over her little sister and brother and knocked them down during the brawl.

 

[Dizlvr]

It could be that the guests left without being "made" to leave the parks. You know how a spokesperson can make things sound a bit different than reality. Pretty sure they just want this all to go away with as little talking and information disclosure as possible.

Maybe you are right, maybe when the spokesperson said not forced they were speaking physically. I would hope that Disney would have made all parties involved leave the park. If they didn't then there is something up.

 

[Goofy_Disney_Dad]

Maybe you are right, maybe when the spokesperson said not forced they were speaking physically. I would hope that Disney would have made all parties involved leave the park. If they didn't then there is something up.

I'm honestly having difficulty explaining what I mean when I say they could be playing with the words in their statement. I think they may have worded that particular response in such a way as to eliminate any follow up questions that certainly would have followed if they stated people were removed.

 

[Lehuaann]

It absolutely boggles my mind that no arrests were made. However, after the release of this video the police or prosecutor could change their mind...

 

[BDL]

Though very upsetting to the kids, of the mom involved, and the other families that had nothing to do with this... All I could think about while watching this was the Chappelle Show segment that was "When Keeping It Real Goes Wrong." Something that could've been as simple as bumping into each other (or calling the wrong number on the show), could escalate that quickly.

As a former bouncer, there are only 2 things that escalated that fast. 1) Over a girl/boy or 2) Between branches of the military (btw... Coast Guard was always undefeated during my tenure and they never started anything, nor sought out trouble). And in both cases alcohol was usually the root cause.

 

[Mkrop]

But we dont know what happened before the video started, there could have been physical or verbal confrontations before the other guests started to record so can we really say from the video who started it???

From what I read, WDW called the police, so I don't think that should determine who did or didn't throw the first punch. But we don't know what started the issue (though my $ is on the early ADR/RD issue a la 7DMT), so what ground do you think the mom and daughter are standing? And the mom is the one who started using the umbrella from China as a weapon.

I watched the video again and as others have said, it's really hard to tell who threw the first punch, especially since the heads of other guests keep blocking the view. But, it looked like the one girl came back towards the mom and daughter and they were all yelling for a minute, then mom started swinging her umbrella and that's when you see girl #1 pulling hair and taking a swing at mom. It was a bit confuzzled, but I didn't see girl#1 touch the daughter at all. Oh, and the daughter ran over her little sister and brother and knocked them down during the brawl.

 

[pat fan]

But we dont know what happened before the video started, there could have been physical or verbal confrontations before the other guests started to record so can we really say from the video who started it???

Whoever went from verbal to physical "started" it. If it's verbal, have a better vocabulary then the other person or be quiet. Walk away. Ask a CM to please move you or the other person. Anything. When you move to physical, you lose and yes, you become, IMO, the one who "started" it.

 

[disneyjunkie]

From what I read, WDW called the police, so I don't think that should determine who did or didn't throw the first punch. But we don't know what started the issue (though my $ is on the early ADR/RD issue a la 7DMT), so what ground do you think the mom and daughter are standing? And the mom is the one who started using the umbrella from China as a weapon.

I watched the video again and as others have said, it's really hard to tell who threw the first punch, especially since the heads of other guests keep blocking the view. But, it looked like the one girl came back towards the mom and daughter and they were all yelling for a minute, then mom started swinging her umbrella and that's when you see girl #1 pulling hair and taking a swing at mom. It was a bit confuzzled, but I didn't see girl#1 touch the daughter at all. Oh, and the daughter ran over her little sister and brother and knocked them down during the brawl.

It looks like something occurred to make mom and the daughter start swinging. I think she hit the teen or the mom.


Mom and the teen had plenty of opportunities to swing on the woman prior to that. You can even hear the teen telling the woman to go head (walk away).
Why the heck did the woman turn and walk back toward them any way?? That just added fuel to the fire.


People are saying the police were not called.

 

[rwdavis2]

So what was the CM suppose to do?

Observe and report. I was told that by one of their uniformed security guards. They are not allowed to intervene. They have other security for that.

 

[Mkrop]

Whoever went from verbal to physical "started" it. If it's verbal, have a better vocabulary then the other person or be quiet. Walk away. Ask a CM to please move you or the other person. Anything. When you move to physical, you lose and yes, you become, IMO, the one who "started" it.

I think you are misunderstanding me...we cant tell who started by just the video is my point, we have no idea if there were any provocation BEFORE the cameras were rolling, whether verbal or physical. From the video we can see who the first punch was from when the person hit record, but did anything happen prior to that, maybe another punch, a poke with the umbrella, a kick, tripping etc, that made this escalate? Most people arent randomly filming in there, I bet something happened and the person knew this was going to get ugly and hit record. My point is we can just go by the video.

 

[Mkrop]

Observe and report. I was told that by one of their uniformed security guards. They are not allowed to intervene. They have other security for that.

Really because if I was close to that incident, I would want the CM to do whatever is necessary, including restrain her so my family and no one else gets hurt by just being in the wrong place, wrong time