Boycotting the Oscars

Will Smith's interview with Robin Roberts was fairly telling. He was actually pretty graceful in it. I got the distinct impression that he is being so vocal mainly because of the way his wife chose to handle herself. He hilariously pointed out that both times he's been nominated were lost to a black actor. There is a limited number of slots for nominations, and if your movie came out at a time full of critical acclaim, then it must be accepted that someone might be better than you. I admit my main issue stems from who is the mouthpiece for these real issues. It is difficult for me to take multi-millionaires who cry "poor me" seriously. I feel the same about the Smiths as I did about Jennifer Lawrence and her female pay inequality stance. Are the issues real? Yes, but not for you guys who are among the most privileged in this country and even the world. Try some action instead of words.
 
If there is a larger problem in Hollywood of minorities not getting good roles or being able to get films made, then that is a separate issue, and one that has little to do with who was nominated this year.

Black-owned production companies need to produce more Oscar-level films. Any Wayan's brothers movie... or Big Momma's House 1,2,3,4... or Ride Along 1,2... or Madea movies... none of these are going to make the Oscar cut. There is plenty of African American money in Hollywood to back movies with black casts. They need to step up their game.

Spike Lee and Oprah continually turn out quality films that they either write/direct in Lee's case or produce/ monetarily back in Oprah's case. They have both received Oscar nominations and awards. Lee Daniels has his own production company and has been nominated for an Oscar among other Awards.

The Academy recognizes quality work. There just needs to be more of it.
 
I'm having trouble phrasing what I want to say, in a non-confrontational and non-political manner. Guess it can't be done.

This Oscar "kerfuffle" is an example of the entire racism conversation ongoing today. There are those who agree that there is a problem, and those who don't see a problem. There are those who agree with the WAY the problem is being presented and those who take issue with the presentation. There.
 

That is exactly what I'm talking about. Why separate people? YOU have that, so WE need this. I'm tired of it. Ever see the program "Blackish"? It's on regular TV and it's freaking hysterical and very popular. Are you old enough to have watched "Fresh Prince of Belaire?" I LOVED that show. They didn't need BET because it was GOOD.

Nver really liked either of these shows, but in recent years we've really enjoyed The Soul Man, Are We There Yet (Ice Cube as the crazy BIL is hysterical!!), and For Your Love :)
 
It depends on the person. A 12 year old back girl interested in film making is going to look at award shows in a different lens than a 40-something housewife who is only interested in what minor thing Anne Hathaway did that caused a ruckus in Variety.

I would certainly have a problem with anyone who looks to actors giving awards to actors as an inspiration. Also why would a girl look towards race as a incentive to go into a particular field.
 
I wonder what number they would be happy with? 1,2, maybe 3. Considering hispanics outnumber blacks in this country I wonder why they aren't complaining? I use the number of the country because I don't know the makeup of the diversity in hollywood. To be fair and equal there should be one nominee and that is probably it if they want it to be fair according to the % of race makeup. Whites should get roughly 60% of the nomination, hispanics 15%, and blacks 12%. But, that isn't how it works. You get nominated if you are good enough, plain and simple. You become an actor if you are good enough, not because of your skin tone. You want more people of your color then help them out be creating an acting school, mentoring them, or something. Boycotting will do nothing accept make you look like a cry baby. Complaining does nothing, making visible changes will. Without getting off on a tangent, unfortunately this is our society. Complain and hope change will occur and maybe it will but probably not. Make the change yourself and it will more likely happen.
 
I just googled this question and can't find any answers, thought maybe some of you had read or heard something different. Other than Will Smith has any other black actor/actress given their opinion on all this?

The only thing I could find was Ice Cube's tweet "who cares about snubs when you getting stubs". His movie Ride Along 2 is the number one movie in the US right now, beating out Star Wars. So I was just curios what others are saying.
 
My perspective is coming from being a black actress myself. I think the problems that Jada is talking about starts way at the bottom (ie: my level of acting). There aren't many roles for actors of color in mainstream tv/film. I have been a SAG member for over twenty years, and usually ( as in about 90% of the time) get called to audition for roles that say "African-American" female, which many times means they want someone jolly, laughing, dancing or talking about some minority issue. My AA counterparts feel the same way. The white actresses in my area get called in for anything that says "female", so they are given more opportunities than black actresses.

Which leads to writers - if AA actors are only going to be called to audition for roles that say "AA", then more roles need to be written for us in mainstream projects. And for that to happen, there probably need to be more people of color doing the writing for these projects (as in becoming members of the Writer's Guild). But also, maybe people of color need to be called in to audition for roles that don't stipulate a specific color. That involves the casting directors.

From what I understand. The "Academy" isn't very diverse, so that can be an issue as well (not sure how you get to be in the "Academy" though).

All that being said, I do believe that Jada's rant was fueled by Will not getting a nomination (I didn't see the movie, but I'm not too fond of Will doing dramatic work- but I did enjoy Pursuit of Happyness). I feel that boycotting the Oscars is her way of gathering attention to the issue, which it has done apparently.

Janet Hubert (aka Aunt Viv) made some valid points (even though she is still bitter, which I feel is warranted because she has been blacklisted in the industry because of her feud with Will).

It's nutty that roles are segregated like that & it's tolerated when the industry has set itself us as a kind of moral police, they pounce on all sorts of things including the gender identity issue but somehow not this. All ethnicities should be able to fill all roles, can you imagine if a CIO job included a 'type'. I wish actors & actresses would tweet photos of this sort of stuff anonymously, there is a website called 'cafe pharma' where employees in that industry air dirty laundry. It would sure help me make choices, my family spends a fortune on movies because it's our "thing" and I will boycott morons with my money (Tarantino, Woody Allen, Mr Moore can all go scratch from now to forever). I would absolutely avoid any studio or that dared to use race as a type because it's such a personally offensive behavior to me and that's all there is to it... Maybe there would be an exception or two such as "Othello" but that's limited & based on the multi hundred year old play


I know the above is an old post relative to the length of this thread, but I just had to respond to it -- for what it's worth, not all while people are offended by Jada, Spike, etc. wanting representation at the Oscars. I'm white, and I'm not offended; in fact, I'm hugely empathetic. It has got to be so frustrating and heartbreaking, after decades of struggling first to have any visibility at all in film, TV, magazines, commercials, advertisements, etc., and then struggling to have at least some of the roles that did exist reflect something other than gross stereotypes, and then finally to have people like Halle Berry and Viola Davis be recognized for their work.... only to reach an Oscar season which feels like an enormous backslide. Heck, I'm incredibly frustrated. How is it possible that when non-whites make up such a large percentage of the population of the United States, not a single non-white person was nominated?

I think the frustration and heartbreak is really on this level: It's not really about the awards, or solely about the awards -- the awards are symbolic of something greater, which is proportionate representation of non-whites in the media in general. I'm not saying there should be a "quota system", requiring representation in film to match real-world demographics exactly. But what does it say about our culture at large and our perception of people of different races when our interest in stories -- fantasy! -- differs so radically when the players happen to be white versus black versus Asian, etc.? I loved the new Star Wars, but I was a bit put off by the fact that, as far as I could tell, only one human character was black. Yes, he was a main character, but how is it that in 2015, pretty much all of the minor characters, extras, etc. making up the background of the film were white? Were almost all humans white a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away? Most importantly: Why was that choice made by the producers? That's the main question and the main point. What is still going on underneath the surface of our society that results in that choice?

In fact, Spike Lee stated that his objection was only partially about the awards, but also more generally about representation in film across the board, during a very interesting interview this morning on Good Morning America -- he specifically talked about the fact that it all starts with studio system and the people in the room during the "green-lighting" process, who somehow have a perception that films won't make money if they feature non-whites heavily, or tell "non-white" stories (I'm paraphrasing).

Regarding Jada Pinket Smith and Will Smith, I think they view themselves, as two of the most visible black people in the world, as having a responsibility to the black community, to use their platform to speak up for all of the people whose voices can't be heard. I don't always love them -- in particular, I sometimes find the self-congratulatory way they talk about their marriage to be grating. But even then, I think they are trying to set a different example and paint a different picture -- they are trying to make visible a story about relationships and parenthood that is very different from the stereotype of the single black mother and the young black father who isn't there for his children. So I don't think their reaction to the Oscars this year was sour grapes about Will Smith not getting an award (maybe there was some of that), but rather came from their sense of obligation to speak out on behalf of their larger community.

Finally, movies are not "just movies". Sure, any one movie is just a movie. But movies, TV, advertising, magazines, and other media on a large scale are very important -- they color and frame our perception of the universe. An extreme way to illustrate it is this: if we don't have personal exposure to a particular population and our only exposure to them is through media, where we only see them depicted or described a certain way -- as violent, unintelligent, poor, lazy, etc., etc. -- then we tend to believe that depiction reflects reality. And if we see people mostly or usually depicted a certain way, then we tend to believe they are mostly or usually that way in real life. And if we hardly see them at all, or if we only see them in an unimportant way, then we internalize that depiction and tend to view them as "marginal" and "unimportant" in real life.

In any event, I think the above is what the whole controversy is all about.

Also, I feel badly for Chris Rock. He as a tough choice to make.

Nice recentering, this looked like it was moving towards what films/performances were worthwhile & I was about to dip
 
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As far as racism in general goes (not movies specifically) I was going to comment that money doesn't change this type of stuff and use tennis pro James Blake as an example (who was tackled by New York Police).

But Will Smith is worth $250 million and Blake is worth only a paltry $8 million. Obviously if Blake was work at least $100 million, the officer would have recognized him and wouldn't have assumed he committed whatever crime he happened to be near. ;)

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34469294

Blake was at a crime scene and was described by the other suspect as being armed. There was only one NYPD officer at the location where Blake was standing. The Officer took down Blake and subdued him quickly as it was thought he was armed. Unfortunate and there should have been more officers at that location where a less aggressive arrest could have been made.
 
I would certainly have a problem with anyone who looks to actors giving awards to actors as an inspiration. Also why would a girl look towards race as a incentive to go into a particular field.

Should have been "black girl" but I can't spell :)
 
Will Smith speaks out...

"Admitted Jada may have been partially motivated by his Oscar snub but said that had he been nominated, she would've made the video anyway"

"Concussion star revealed wife Jada did not consult him before releasing video Monday calling for boycott of the Oscars"

Anyone else wondering what the backlash at their home was over this? :lmao:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-awards-ceremony-wife-Jada.html#ixzz3xtIli83C
My respect for Smith's acting just increased. If he can say that with a straight face, he truly can act.
 
I just googled this question and can't find any answers, thought maybe some of you had read or heard something different. Other than Will Smith has any other black actor/actress given their opinion on all this?

The only thing I could find was Ice Cube's tweet "who cares about snubs when you getting stubs". His movie Ride Along 2 is the number one movie in the US right now, beating out Star Wars. So I was just curios what others are saying.

Yes, other actors and actresses are voicing opinions. Idris Elba recently addressed Parliament in the UK to discuss diversity in the entertainment industry. David Oyelowo, Lupita Nyong'o, John Singleton, Stacy Dash, Don Cheadle are some who have given varying opinions on the subject.
 
Blake was at a crime scene and was described by the other suspect as being armed. There was only one NYPD officer at the location where Blake was standing. The Officer took down Blake and subdued him quickly as it was thought he was armed. Unfortunate and there should have been more officers at that location where a less aggressive arrest could have been made.

So a hotel in NYC is now a crime scene? He was standing outside a hotel and a courier that worked with the guys stealing credit card information said he I think that's one of the guys I usually talk to. Nothing about being armed and he was not in a "crime scene"
 
Yes, other actors and actresses are voicing opinions. Idris Elba recently addressed Parliament in the UK to discuss diversity in the entertainment industry. David Oyelowo, Lupita Nyong'o, John Singleton, Stacy Dash, Don Cheadle are some who have given varying opinions on the subject.

Most of them saying the boycott is not the way to do it but they are glad the conversation now has more weight to it so that their voices hopefully are heard this time.

I think the issue is that last year was similar even though there were many great male actors who could have gotten the nomination and so it was like okay maybe this is a fluke. Then it happened again this year and so now maybe it isn't a fluke and it is time to reevaluate the committee before this becomes a real issue.
 
Will Smith's interview with Robin Roberts was fairly telling. He was actually pretty graceful in it. I got the distinct impression that he is being so vocal mainly because of the way his wife chose to handle herself. He hilariously pointed out that both times he's been nominated were lost to a black actor. There is a limited number of slots for nominations, and if your movie came out at a time full of critical acclaim, then it must be accepted that someone might be better than you. I admit my main issue stems from who is the mouthpiece for these real issues. It is difficult for me to take multi-millionaires who cry "poor me" seriously. I feel the same about the Smiths as I did about Jennifer Lawrence and her female pay inequality stance. Are the issues real? Yes, but not for you guys who are among the most privileged in this country and even the world. Try some action instead of words.


Agreed!

I would have reacted differently if Jada's husband hadn't been in the running.

Maybe instead of whining she should put some of her multi millions of dollars to work and open a minority acting school. Or sponsor some young black talent to come to Hollywood. Or produce some films that could showcase some new young minority talent.

She just loses all credibility when she put herself in such a self-serving position.
 
Most of them saying the boycott is not the way to do it but they are glad the conversation now has more weight to it so that their voices hopefully are heard this time.

I think the issue is that last year was similar even though there were many great male actors who could have gotten the nomination and so it was like okay maybe this is a fluke. Then it happened again this year and so now maybe it isn't a fluke and it is time to reevaluate the committee before this becomes a real issue.

Right. Honestly i think Jada is taking away from the issue. She was mad her husband didn't get nominated so she spouted off and it came off like sour grapes.
It's taking away from the real issues.
 
I just googled this question and can't find any answers, thought maybe some of you had read or heard something different. Other than Will Smith has any other black actor/actress given their opinion on all this?...

I ran across this quote from Stacy Dash this morning:

She said, "We have to make up our minds. Either we want to have segregation or integration, and if we don't want segregation, then we have to get rid of channels like BET and the BET Awards and the Image Awards."

She continued, ""If it were the other way around, we'd be up in arms. It's a double standard. There shouldn't be a Black History Month. We're Americans, period."

Source -
http://abc13.com/entertainment/stacey-dash-stirs-up-oscars-controversy/1168115/

I kind of agree with her about not separating things. I know people who don't think they're racist at all, but who would never turn on BET expecting to find a show they'd enjoy. I think portraying anything as "only for a certain group" works against the ultimate goal here.
 

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