Boycotting the Oscars

The Oscars have long been known for giving "catch up" and sympathy awards (i.e. lots of reasons besides the strength of the nominated acting job). Didn't Elizabeth Taylor get one for almost dying one year?
 
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He was solid but not outstanding. And I have a soft spot for him from his days as Reggie Montgomery on All My Children.

Leo DiCaprio in What's Eating Gilbert Grape, The Aviator and Wolf of Wall Street were all better performances than Michael B. Jordan in Creed. Leo didn't win an Academy award for any of them. And he wasn't even nominated for Titanic. Did he cry like a whiny baby and call for a boycott? Nope. You keep making quality films and maybe someday you get recognized.

And that's a great point - people who are awarded with nominations & Oscars are often those that were very, very good in MANY performances before ever being nominated. There's exceptions, of course because some performances simply cannot be ignored - newcomer or not. But there is definitely an unwritten rule that those who have been near misses in the past are to be rewarded eventually.

I mentioned John Wayne earlier. Many don't believe he deserved the Oscar for True Grit, and most John Wayne fans don't consider it anywhere near his best performance. But NO WAY was Hollywood going to let their biggest star go a lifetime without an Oscar.
 
A show with some of the best acting to ever be shown on television, and the Emmy's went to two white writers.

Sense a pattern here?
No. I see nominations where the voters decided other writers were even more outstanding. And I see a slew of color-blind awards and nominations.
 

There would probably be more white basketball players if they were skilled enough to make the cut. Right now, black basketball players are just better. I don't think anyone is saying the white basketball player: you're really good, just as good as the next guy, but hey, I just want more black players.

And yet if it was blacks (or in the case of NZ then Maori/pacific islanders) they would be asking "what can we do to encourage more to play, how can we help them get to the same skill level. It wouldn't be an acceptable answer to say white people are just better at x.
 
And yet if it was blacks (or in the case of NZ then Maori/pacific islanders) they would be asking "what can we do to encourage more to play, how can we help them get to the same skill level. It wouldn't be an acceptable answer to say white people are just better at x.

I remember a couple years back there was "cause for alarm" about the declining percentage of black players in baseball. I found it a strange "crisis".
 
I just don't get why white people are so offended that Jada, Spike, and other talents are wanting representation at the Oscars. There was a good number of racial minorities represented at the Globes, why not the Oscars? Again, there were so many great, critically acclaimed performances by actors of color that were snubbed. Mediocre performances by white actors were rewarded. That's why movie actors, critics, directors, etc were upset.

Empathy and having an open mind is free :) I want my children to grow up and be represented in all forms of media, like white children. I don't know if you had heard, but there was a scandal in the latest Adam Sandler movie that stereotyped Native Americans in a disgusting manner. This type of stereotyping happens A LOT in film.

I know the above is an old post relative to the length of this thread, but I just had to respond to it -- for what it's worth, not all while people are offended by Jada, Spike, etc. wanting representation at the Oscars. I'm white, and I'm not offended; in fact, I'm hugely empathetic. It has got to be so frustrating and heartbreaking, after decades of struggling first to have any visibility at all in film, TV, magazines, commercials, advertisements, etc., and then struggling to have at least some of the roles that did exist reflect something other than gross stereotypes, and then finally to have people like Halle Berry and Viola Davis be recognized for their work.... only to reach an Oscar season which feels like an enormous backslide. Heck, I'm incredibly frustrated. How is it possible that when non-whites make up such a large percentage of the population of the United States, not a single non-white person was nominated?

I think the frustration and heartbreak is really on this level: It's not really about the awards, or solely about the awards -- the awards are symbolic of something greater, which is proportionate representation of non-whites in the media in general. I'm not saying there should be a "quota system", requiring representation in film to match real-world demographics exactly. But what does it say about our culture at large and our perception of people of different races when our interest in stories -- fantasy! -- differs so radically when the players happen to be white versus black versus Asian, etc.? I loved the new Star Wars, but I was a bit put off by the fact that, as far as I could tell, only one human character was black. Yes, he was a main character, but how is it that in 2015, pretty much all of the minor characters, extras, etc. making up the background of the film were white? Were almost all humans white a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away? Most importantly: Why was that choice made by the producers? That's the main question and the main point. What is still going on underneath the surface of our society that results in that choice?

In fact, Spike Lee stated that his objection was only partially about the awards, but also more generally about representation in film across the board, during a very interesting interview this morning on Good Morning America -- he specifically talked about the fact that it all starts with studio system and the people in the room during the "green-lighting" process, who somehow have a perception that films won't make money if they feature non-whites heavily, or tell "non-white" stories (I'm paraphrasing).

Regarding Jada Pinket Smith and Will Smith, I think they view themselves, as two of the most visible black people in the world, as having a responsibility to the black community, to use their platform to speak up for all of the people whose voices can't be heard. I don't always love them -- in particular, I sometimes find the self-congratulatory way they talk about their marriage to be grating. But even then, I think they are trying to set a different example and paint a different picture -- they are trying to make visible a story about relationships and parenthood that is very different from the stereotype of the single black mother and the young black father who isn't there for his children. So I don't think their reaction to the Oscars this year was sour grapes about Will Smith not getting an award (maybe there was some of that), but rather came from their sense of obligation to speak out on behalf of their larger community.

Finally, movies are not "just movies". Sure, any one movie is just a movie. But movies, TV, advertising, magazines, and other media on a large scale are very important -- they color and frame our perception of the universe. An extreme way to illustrate it is this: if we don't have personal exposure to a particular population and our only exposure to them is through media, where we only see them depicted or described a certain way -- as violent, unintelligent, poor, lazy, etc., etc. -- then we tend to believe that depiction reflects reality. And if we see people mostly or usually depicted a certain way, then we tend to believe they are mostly or usually that way in real life. And if we hardly see them at all, or if we only see them in an unimportant way, then we internalize that depiction and tend to view them as "marginal" and "unimportant" in real life.

In any event, I think the above is what the whole controversy is all about.

Also, I feel badly for Chris Rock. He as a tough choice to make.
 
Heck, I'm incredibly frustrated. How is it possible that when non-whites make up such a large percentage of the population of the United States, not a single non-white person was nominated?

Did you see the Reminder List sent out to all eligible voters, and read, if nothing else, rule six in the voting process. Every.single.film. that meets AMPAS conditions can submit up to ten actors and ten actresses for consideration. Some submitted none, some a few, some many. That's a LOT of people.
 
Focusing on a few high profile awards instead of any underlying representation issue that exists in the industry's employment practices wreaks of the tokenism that POC generally abhor. Seems self-serving for the elite few who have already made it to the top.
 
Finally, movies are not "just movies". Sure, any one movie is just a movie. But movies, TV, advertising, magazines, and other media on a large scale are very important -- they color and frame our perception of the universe. An extreme way to illustrate it is this: if we don't have personal exposure to a particular population and our only exposure to them is through media, where we only see them depicted or described a certain way -- as violent, unintelligent, poor, lazy, etc., etc. -- then we tend to believe that depiction reflects reality. And if we see people mostly or usually depicted a certain way, then we tend to believe they are mostly or usually that way in real life. And if we hardly see them at all, or if we only see them in an unimportant way, then we internalize that depiction and tend to view them as "marginal" and "unimportant" in real life.

Well said.
 
This whining tantrum will achieve nothing but tainting the entire thing, for everyone. The nominees and winners will be under a cloud of controversy, because surely if Jada's hubby had been nominated as was his due he would also have rightfully won. In the future African American and other minority nominees who are chosen will be under the cloud of being chosen to fill the diversity quota.

End them all, Oscars, Emmys, Grammys, Tonys and all the rest -- or just give everyone a trophy and be done with it.
 
This whining tantrum will achieve nothing but tainting the entire thing, for everyone. The nominees and winners will be under a cloud of controversy, because surely if Jada's hubby had been nominated as was his due he would also have rightfully won. In the future African American and other minority nominees who are chosen will be under the cloud of being chosen to fill the diversity quota.

End them all, Oscars, Emmys, Grammys, Tonys and all the rest -- or just give everyone a trophy and be done with it.
Leo's first and probably only Oscar will be tainted. But as long as Jada is happy...
 
If you want to watch WET, turn on any other television channel besides BET and Telemundo.

BET was created so black entertainers and black audiences could create and watch a channel tailored to them, because, like the Oscars, entertainment is full of white actors and the very little diversity there was were borderline offensive with their tokenism.

That is exactly what I'm talking about. Why separate people? YOU have that, so WE need this. I'm tired of it. Ever see the program "Blackish"? It's on regular TV and it's freaking hysterical and very popular. Are you old enough to have watched "Fresh Prince of Belaire?" I LOVED that show. They didn't need BET because it was GOOD.
 
...In the future African American and other minority nominees who are chosen will be under the cloud of being chosen to fill the diversity quota...

Exactly! Even though I think film portrayals need to evolve, this boycott seems like the wrong way to try make it happen.
 
I see a lot of diversity on TV now. Blackish, How to Get Away with Murder, SUV, Chicago Med, Chicago PD, Quantico, Shark Tank, NCIS, Criminal Minds, Brooklyn Nine-nine, Empire etc all have diverse characters in lead roles.

I feel like minorities say that they want the US to be "color blind" but then they are constantly separating white people from everyone else.

Should they nominate minority actors just because they are minority actors? Will Smith said himself this morning that both times he lost the Oscar, it was to another black actor. So how is that racism? Or is the Academy just now becoming racist? Shouldn't the Oscars just be about letting the "best man win"? Regardless of their race? There doesn't seem to be any consensus among people about what particular black actors/actresses were actually snubbed. There were a few that had good performances but no one seems to be saying they should have been a lock in ahead of the actors that were nominated.

If there is a larger problem in Hollywood of minorities not getting good roles or being able to get films made, then that is a separate issue, and one that has little to do with who was nominated this year.
 
Oh, and no one seemed to complain when Denzel Washington won the Lifetime Achievement award at the Golden Globes this year. He seems to have been able to find so many amazing roles in his career.
 
Will Smith speaks out...

"Admitted Jada may have been partially motivated by his Oscar snub but said that had he been nominated, she would've made the video anyway"

"Concussion star revealed wife Jada did not consult him before releasing video Monday calling for boycott of the Oscars"

Anyone else wondering what the backlash at their home was over this? :lmao:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-awards-ceremony-wife-Jada.html#ixzz3xtIli83C
 
Will Smith speaks out...

"Admitted Jada may have been partially motivated by his Oscar snub but said that had he been nominated, she would've made the video anyway"

"Concussion star revealed wife Jada did not consult him before releasing video Monday calling for boycott of the Oscars"

Anyone else wondering what the backlash at their home was over this? :lmao:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-awards-ceremony-wife-Jada.html#ixzz3xtIli83C


To the bolded, sure she would have. :rolleyes:
 
Exactly! Even though I think film portrayals need to evolve, this boycott seems like the wrong way to try make it happen.

Absolutely. I find it difficult to believe that Jada and/or Will do not have both the clout and means to bring to the screen the kind of diversity they want to see. Clearly she feels it was more necessary and appropriate to blow apart others being honored because she didn't agree with the nominees. I'd love to hear her thoughts on who should have been left out, who should be in and who should win. Don't People Magazine and Entertainment Tonight do those kinds of stories every year? "Oscar Snubs and Surprises, Who's Out and Who Should Win" Why are her thoughts more precious than everyone else's?

IMO her comments have insured Will Smith will never take home an Oscar without a giant asterisk hovering over it. That's a shame, because I think he's someone with the potential to give a performance that convinces a majority of voters on its merits that he's deserving of the honor.
 


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