Boycotting 'The Golden Compass'

Isn't this yet another case of the Church pushing another wedge between itself and potential customers? For example, in recent times, we have had the craze that is Harry Potter. Kids couldn't, and still can't, get enough of it. Everywhere you turned it was Potter or Wizardry, even Universal are building a land at IOA dedicated to it. So the Church, rather than trying to draw parrallels with Harry Potter and latching on with the bandwagon, distances itself and criticices the whole phenomenon, this makes kids take the side of Harry and puts the Church down as party poopers. My son goes to Church group on a Tuesday night and they hook up with all the latest fads and blend it with a bit of religion and they do get quite a turn out now, more so than when it was just 100% religion all night. He really enjoys going now.
 


Did you read it or just skim it?

here's the first of 2 quotes in that little blurb
"I'm trying to undermine the basis of Christian belief," says Pullman. "Mr. Lewis would think I was doing the Devil's work."
But did you bother to read the question that he was answering?
But what did the author have to say on the issue six years ago, when asked by the Washington Post what famously Christian author C.S. Lewis would think of his books?

As for the second quote, yes it is out of context
Did you bother to actually go read the 2003 article?
He is talking about what the "bible Belt" would think about his work if they weren't so busy going after JK Rowlings and their claims that she is trying to indoctrine children into witchcraft.


What's really funny is that what you linked to is called "the Vulture" and appears to be not much more than an online version of a gossip rag.
 

this is a bit long-but it is written by two Sisters and I thought it was worth adding to the discussion. Not all Catholics are against these type of things. (bolding is mostly mine)

'Compass': Challenging believers to articulate faith, values



By Sr. Rose Pacatte, FSP
The Tidings
December 7, 2007
http://www.the-tidings.com/2007/120707/compassrose.htm



New Line Cinema's latest contribution to the fantasy film genre is director/writer Chris Weitz's "The Golden Compass," based on the 1995 award-winning book of the same title by Phillip Pullman. New Line --- the studio behind "The Lord of the Rings" --- may have another hit trilogy on its hands.


"The Golden Compass" is Book I of Pullman's "His Dark Materials" trilogy; the others are "The Subtle Knife (1997) and "The Amber Spyglass" (2000.) More than 15 million copies of the books have been sold worldwide. Pullman says he has borrowed from every book he has ever read to create this best-selling and controversial trilogy and these include the fantasy writings and mythic imagination of C.S. Lewis and J.R.R. Tolkein.

"The Golden Compass" is a very exciting film about a young girl, Lyra and her animal-shaped spirit companion, Pan, voiced by Freddie Highmore (called a daemon in the film) who guided by a golden compass embark on an odyssey to rescue their friends. It will engage young and old alike (scenes of peril and fantasy violence may scare very younger children.) There are missing children, interesting daemons (in Greek mythology, these are spirit beings who can be good or malevolent), terrible scientific experiments, great polar bears and witches, and the Authority, or Magisterium, that controls the universe.


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To believers, God is the author of creation and not subject to it; therefore, the god that Pullman tries to kill through the imposter angel Metatron in 'The Amber Skyglass' is not the God we believe in anyway.
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The seamless animation and brilliant special effects should attract some awards. Dakota Blue Richards, not burdened by excessive cuteness, plays Lyra with strength and courage. Nicole Kidman is positively chilling as Mrs. Coulter. My favorite character is the great armored polar bear, Iorek Byrnison, voiced by Sir Ian McKellan. Along with Lee Scorsby, an "aeronaut" from Texas, played by Sam Elliott, he is Lyra's brave and loyal champion.

The Controversy
Pullman (b. 1946) is a professed atheist: "Although I call myself an atheist I am a Church of England atheist, and a 1662 Book of Common Prayer atheist, because that's the tradition I was brought up in and I cannot escape those early influences" (quoted in "Killing the Imposter God: Phillip Pullman's Spiritual Imagination in 'His Dark Materials,'" 2007, JosseyBass).

Some critics believe that Pullman's fantasy epic is an expression of an atheist agenda. The Catholic League (www.CatholicLeague.org) agrees and has published a pamphlet about the book trilogy and sent it to all Catholic schools in the U.S. The Catholic League's website states that seeing the film --- even if it is not as troubling as the trilogy --- will cause children to want to read the novels and this would harm their faith. The Catholic League's website says that Pullman has twin goals "to promote atheism and denigrate Christianity to kids."

Others, such as Donna Frietas and Jason King, admit to Pullman's atheism in their book "Killing the Imposter God," but think he employs feminist and liberation critical theology in his writings, and that using these lenses reveals truth rather than denies it. Kurt Bruner and Jim Ware concede Pullman's darkness but also find and explore religious themes in "Shedding Light on His Dark Materials: Exploring Hidden Spiritual Themes in Philip Pullman's Popular Series" (2007, SaltRiver/Tyndale.)

Source material
Pullman's theological and spiritual source for "His Dark Materials" seems to be principally derived from the epic scriptural/theological poem "Paradise Lost" by John Milton (1608-1674). Milton's influence on Pullman's worldview cannot be underestimated.

Milton wrote passionately against England's monarchy as being head of church and state. In his later years, Milton also rejected Trinitarian Christianity and moved toward a more Unitarian theology. Some critics say that Pullman's vision of Christianity is medieval but it is really the Christianity of Milton's age, framed by the Renaissance/Reformation/Counter-Reformation centuries that fuel his discourse.

Philosophically, Milton was a monist. Simply put, monists believe that all matter can be reduced to a single substance, a kind of energy that animates everything, even angels. Pullman calls this substance "dust."

Human free will is the key theme in "Paradise Lost" and "His Dark Materials." Free will continues to be a point of theological debate between Catholics and Protestants and is contested in the film and books as well.

In the trilogy, Pullman places the headquarters of the church/magisterium (a term used by Catholics that means the teaching authority of the Church) in Geneva, Switzerland, where John Calvin's (1509-1564) religious movement was based. It is interesting that Pullman does not single out the Catholic Church for his critique but includes all organized religion, including mainstream Protestant churches.

There is one brief sequence when the polar bear Iorek Byrnison attacks the Magisterium's building in the north to retrieve his armor; the building is adorned with icons. To me, this showed that religion was one of the agencies in the film oppressing the characters, not the whole story.

Pullman's atheism?
There appears to be no explicit religious content, and therefore no atheism, in the film version of "The Golden Compass."

The book version is critical of religion and organized religion, though it is difficult to assess how much readers engage in the philosophy and theology that underpin his fantasy tale. Pullman does reject, and ultimately attempts to kill off, a convoluted idea of God in "The Amber Spyglass." On the one hand he presents a theological image of God as an old man, perhaps cruel and distant. On the other hand, Pullman rids the universe of a philosophical image of God that is uninterested in his creation, a creation that originally created him in the first place.

To believers, God is the author of creation and not subject to it; therefore, the god that Pullman tries to kill through the imposter angel Metatron in "The Amber Skyglass" is not the God we believe in anyway.

Pullman's image of God reminds me of how Bruce described him in the 2003 film "Bruce Almighty": "God is a mean kid sitting on an anthill with a magnifying glass, and I'm the ant. He could fix my life in five minutes if He wanted to, but he'd rather burn off my feelers and watch me squirm."

Although it is not clear if the divine will be part of any subsequent films, should they be produced, perhaps Pullman has done us all a favor by ridding us of many false images of God.

I do think that Pullman's writings ultimately reveal a nihilistic view of life and, at the end of the day, shed little light on the meaning of life. "The Golden Compass" film, however, demonstrates the values and virtues heroism, self-sacrifice and courage that transcend the challenges the characters face. If future films are made, we can hope that they will be consistent with this first film.

Moreover, "The Golden Compass" film challenges believing adults to articulate their faith and values and to brush up on Church history, theology and literature and literary forms. It is a difficult assignment, but an excellent way to engage in our culture. To "just say no" is not a valid option in today's media world.

Daughter of St. Paul Sister Rose Pacatte is co-author, with Sister Gretchen Hailer, of "Media Mindfulness: Educating Teens about Faith and Media" (St. Mary's Press, 2007).
 
Great article.
Imagine that, 2 outspoken Christains that can actually think for themselves
 
Great article.
Imagine that, 2 outspoken Christains that can actually think for themselves

These Sisters are like the ones I had as teachers in college-they didn't teach us to "pay, pray and obey" they taught us to engage our faith and our culture. It's easy to be a person who hides behind the walls and keeps anything that might disturb your faith out, it's harder to get out there and maintain your faith in the face of a strongly secular culture. In order to do that, you've got to not only know what the Church really teaches, but you've also got to engage the culture and try to understand it.
 
If the world had more religious teachers and leaders like that, it would be a much better place IMHO
 
Isn't this yet another case of the Church pushing another wedge between itself and potential customers? For example, in recent times, we have had the craze that is Harry Potter. Kids couldn't, and still can't, get enough of it. Everywhere you turned it was Potter or Wizardry, even Universal are building a land at IOA dedicated to it. So the Church, rather than trying to draw parrallels with Harry Potter and latching on with the bandwagon, distances itself and criticices the whole phenomenon, this makes kids take the side of Harry and puts the Church down as party poopers. My son goes to Church group on a Tuesday night and they hook up with all the latest fads and blend it with a bit of religion and they do get quite a turn out now, more so than when it was just 100% religion all night. He really enjoys going now.

I don't believe churches are looking for"customers".

I had a very interesting encounter with a literary group in Lubeck, Germany. It was lead by an Episcopal priest. He likened American churches to social clubs. I agree with him on a certain level. I guess it all depends on why you go to church.
 
Wow, how many religious bigots can you get on the head of a pin?

ford family


When you have no facts to back you up.....just call people names. I think you have summed yourself up quite well.
 
Did you read it or just skim it?

here's the first of 2 quotes in that little blurb

But did you bother to read the question that he was answering?


As for the second quote, yes it is out of context
Did you bother to actually go read the 2003 article?
He is talking about what the "bible Belt" would think about his work if they weren't so busy going after JK Rowlings and their claims that she is trying to indoctrine children into witchcraft.


What's really funny is that what you linked to is called "the Vulture" and appears to be not much more than an online version of a gossip rag.

Quotes are quotes. The books are what they are. You can have a very diverse group who have honest disagreements. It doesn't matter what color, religious persuasion, sexual preference, political party, etc. ..a person is ...if they can have an honest and respectful debate on a subject. Others just want to scream, and call names. The person who wrote this article actually liked the books, but also called the author on his inconsistencies in his interviews. I read many articles similiar to this...this one summed up serveral quotes in one article.

Would it surprise you to know I am a great fan of the Lord of the Rings? I have every Harry Potter movie that has come out. I may even read these books myself. I don't think it is appropriate to disguise the content in a children's movie and not be honest what they are about.


And yes, I did read the original interview, in the Aussie paper.
 
I'm thinking it might have been Eyes Wide Shut, though I don't think it was actually banned (mainly because I rented it from Blockbuster a couple years back lol).

Nooo that was it. If I remember right, and I'm too lazy to google it, it seems some church or group "banned" their members from seeing it. And also there were whole scenes cut out of it. (I thought it was kind of a lame movie anyway, especially a Stanley Kubrick movie!)
 
I am gonna Boycott.....Cause I have yet to see a Nicole Kidmann movie that was any good at all:confused3


I thought she was pretty darn good in The Others and while not outstanding, she wasn't half bad in Cold Mountain. Just mho.
 
When you have no facts to back you up.....just call people names. I think you have summed yourself up quite well.
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No Facts....LOL now that's funny.
Quotes are quotes. The books are what they are. You can have a very diverse group who have honest disagreements. It doesn't matter what color, religious persuasion, sexual preference, political party, etc. ..a person is ...if they can have an honest and respectful debate on a subject. Others just want to scream, and call names. The person who wrote this article actually liked the books, but also called the author on his inconsistencies in his interviews. I read many articles similiar to this...this one summed up serveral quotes in one article.
Nice try. Quotes are nothing without knowing the context.
If you actually read the entire articles quoted, there is no inconsitency.


Yes the books are what they are, fictional books aimed at young adults. What they are not is Anti-God or trying to indoctrine children into atheism.
 
No Facts....LOL now that's funny.

Nice try. Quotes are nothing without knowing the context.
If you actually read the entire articles quoted, there is no inconsitency.


Yes the books are what they are, fictional books aimed at young adults. What they are not is Anti-God or trying to indoctrine children into atheism.

Not any more that the Harry Potter series is, and I read them before we gave any to the grand kids (actually got hoooked on them, she is a good storyteller) and intend to read the series!

I tell my students that in order to be successful they must be a lifetime student, read anything that you can, especially if it is not related to your work, and CONSIDER alternatives.

Closed minded individuals are just people that have stopped educating themselves!!pirate:
 
I thought she was pretty darn good in The Others and while not outstanding, she wasn't half bad in Cold Mountain. Just mho.
Funny I was about to post about her roles in those two movies. I think that she's a pretty good actress but isn't real good at picking movies.

Closed minded individuals are just people that have stopped educating themselves!!
ITA.
 
When you have no facts to back you up.....just call people names. I think you have summed yourself up quite well.

The reference I made to religious bigots was to the comments in the article you quoted but, apparently, didn't bother to actually read.
What is the point of offering something up to bolster your opinion if it contains such extremist views that they border on the lunatic?
Are we to assume that those are your views or are we to assume instead that the first few lines contained sentiments that you thought were ok so you blindly cut and pasted the link without reading the rest?

ford family
 
Not any more that the Harry Potter series is, and I read them before we gave any to the grand kids (actually got hoooked on them, she is a good storyteller) and intend to read the series!

I tell my students that in order to be successful they must be a lifetime student, read anything that you can, especially if it is not related to your work, and CONSIDER alternatives.

Closed minded individuals are just people that have stopped educating themselves!!pirate:

Closed minded individulas are also people that can only see their own point of view.
 


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