Born Again Christians Thread-No Bashing please

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RickinNYC said:
when a BAC or a Jehovah's Witness or anyone else for that matter, not just insinuates, but tells me that not only am I a sinner, or that I'm going to Hell, but that I couldn't possibly have God in my life if I'm gay.

Don't (some) of you realize how hurtful those sentiments are? I don't need strangers telling me what I question all the time. So no, not all Christians are as accepting.

Just realize that many of us think we are ALL sinners. If I say you are a sinner, it does not imply insult, as I also feel I and everyone else that has walked this earth but Jesus is a sinner.
 
macraven said:
i was one that needed proof of God's existence. i found something that has reassured me that only truth is in the Bible, God's holy word.

In the late 60's, mankind was in the space age and plans made for putting man on the moon. scientists were concerned about the space ship landing on the moon..they built long legs so the engiine would not be full of debrie and dust once landing on the moon.


that moon dust made me a believer............


scientists said the universe/earth are billions of years old. and with that passing of times, the moon would have many feet of dust on its surface. therefore the need to build the space ship with elongated legs to land safely and be able to take off again.

when the ship landed on the moon, there was only 1/4 - 1/2 inch of moon dust on the surface.

hey.............the scientists were wrong...........
if the universe was billion of years old, then, the dust would have been there.

i always remembered that and when that time in my life came to know the Lord, the moon dust came to my mind in a flash . first time in this christian church........and i knew God was real because of the moon dust.


thank you for letting me share

WOW! What a wonderful example! God Bless You.
 
Albertan mom said:
First, Thank you to WDWHound for stopping a debate here!

I agree, the Book of Mormon holds no place in my Christian life.

I don't want to get into a debate here with you Buckalew. I honestly don't know one gay person. If I met one, would I be friends with them? I again, honestly don't know. I would be nice to them. Would I have them over for coffee weekly? Probably not. We are supposed to be loving to everyone-agreed. But we are also supposed to surround ourselves with light, not people who are of the world.

Rick - I am confused even why you want to play over here?
Sorry, guys, this is one Christian just blowing through :moped:
 
Rick, you and I have had several discussions about this topic, and I count you as a friend on this board. As you and I have previously discussed, many people have a very difficult time separating people’s behavior from the people themselves. Though I am firm in my beliefs, I am equally firm in Jesus’ mandate to love our neighbors as ourselves. Furthermore, if you have accepted Christ as your Savior, then any sin cannot separate you from God. If God only had relationships with perfect people, then He wouldn’t have a relationship with a single one of us, myself very much included. It infuriates me when people choose to focus on this one issue and act as though it’s the “biggest” point in the Bible. That simply isn’t true, and often these same people like to focus on this issue to avoid having to take a look at their own lives and their own actions.
 

castlegazer said:
Rick - I am confused even why you want to play over here?
Sorry, guys, this is one Christian just blowing through :moped:
Because maybe Rick could help this poster see something she may not have seen otherwise. :goodvibes
 
castlegazer said:
Rick - I am confused even why you want to play over here?
Sorry, guys, this is one Christian just blowing through :moped:

Hey there Castlegazer. My interest in Christianity actually confounds a LOT of my friends. Joe is very aware of it and, although he doesn't understand it, he respects it. I've actually read a lot of the same books as a number of Born Again Christians, and I've posted on another thread that some of my favorite music is contemporary Christian music. I love the music and the messages behind the words.

That's why I lurk!
 
Aidensmom said:
Just realize that many of us think we are ALL sinners. If I say you are a sinner, it does not imply insult, as I also feel I and everyone else that has walked this earth but Jesus is a sinner.
Yup, every last one of us are sinners. An God loves us all equally. While I do beleive homsexaulity is a sin (I am not sure why it is, but Paul seems really clear on the subject to me), it is neither my responsiblity or desire to force others to agree with me, or to ask them to change their behavior based on my interpretation of the Bible. I certainly would not say someone is damned for it in any case. I happily leave that kind of judgement in Gods hands (not that anybody would or should care about my judgement in such matters). No human being has the right or abilty to attempt to determine what lies after death for another.
 
RickinNYC said:
I've been lurking on this thread since the beginning because this is a topic I have always been fascinated with. All forms of religion are interesting to me, particularly of the Christian faith, most definitely the Born Again Christian ideologies. That said, I wish I could agree with you Albertamom but I don't. Although there are a number of Christian posters on this thread I do consider as DIS/'net friends, there are equally a number of others that have posted some incredibly shocking, hateful, downright offensive comments about homosexuality. They can't look beyone what they perceive as sin and not only hate the act, but the individual.

Of course I'm going to take those comments personally. I am gay, in a committed relationship with a man and I do not and will not apologize for it. I also happen to have a job in which I help fellow man every day. I try my best to live my life the best way I know how. In fact, the only real difference between me and some very devout people, is the one simple fact that I'm gay. And I've felt extremely unwelcome on threads like this.

I don't mean to start a debate on this thread at all. I'm just stating facts as I've seen them on the DIS. Some Christians, Born Again or not, are indeed welcoming and non-judgemental. Others, however, are the exact opposite.

Rick,

If I have ever stated anything or come across in a way as to make you feel unwelcome I apologize. For the most part I try to go to scripture in response to things. Don't want you to feel unwelcome here.

I admire you for not trying to start a debate on whether your lifestyle is right or wrong, in light of the spirit of this thread. My opinion is that no person deserves to be treated differently than any other.

Luke Chapter 7
36 And one of the Pharisees desired him that he would eat with him. And he went into the Pharisee's house, and sat down to meat.
37 And, behold, a woman in the city, which was a sinner, when she knew that Jesus sat at meat in the Pharisee's house, brought an alabaster box of ointment,
38 And stood at his feet behind him weeping, and began to wash his feet with tears, and did wipe them with the hairs of her head, and kissed his feet, and anointed them with the ointment.
39 Now when the Pharisee which had bidden him saw it, he spake within himself, saying, This man, if he were a prophet, would have known who and what manner of woman this is that toucheth him: for she is a sinner.
40 And Jesus answering said unto him, Simon, I have somewhat to say unto thee. And he saith, Master, say on.
41 There was a certain creditor which had two debtors: the one owed five hundred pence, and the other fifty.
42 And when they had nothing to pay, he frankly forgave them both. Tell me therefore, which of them will love him most?
43 Simon answered and said, I suppose that he, to whom he forgave most. And he said unto him, Thou hast rightly judged.
44 And he turned to the woman, and said unto Simon, Seest thou this woman? I entered into thine house, thou gavest me no water for my feet: but she hath washed my feet with tears, and wiped them with the hairs of her head.
45 Thou gavest me no kiss: but this woman since the time I came in hath not ceased to kiss my feet.
46 My head with oil thou didst not anoint: but this woman hath anointed my feet with ointment.
47 Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little.
48 And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven.
49 And they that sat at meat with him began to say within themselves, Who is this that forgiveth sins also?
50 And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.


*** Like the Pharisee, sometimes we are too quick to judge or say things before we think about how they come across to the other party, sadly this does go both ways. Hope that you will continue to stay. Speaking for myself I also like to answer questions non-believers or those of other religions have. It gives me a chance to dig into God's word.......makes me want to work harder to memorize scripture and learn and understand God's word.....it helps me grow spiritually.
 
WDWHound said:
Yup, every last one of us are sinners. An God loves us all equally. While I do beleive homsexaulity is a sin (I am not sue why it is, but Paul seems really clear on the subject to me), it is neither my responsiblity or desire to force others to agree with me or to ask them to change their behavaior based on my interpretation of the Bible. I certainly world not say someone is damned for it. I happily leave that kind of judgement in Gods hands, not that anybody would or should care about my judgement in such matters

Exactly. It is not our job to judge anyone. We ALL fall short of the glory of God.
 
ead79, WDWhound, binny, live4christp1, tasha&scott I appreciate your insight and thoughts. Without naming names, I can at least say that all four of you (and others) have been nothing but friendly and have never said anything that wasn't welcoming. And if any of you said anything that could be construed as debatable, it was because someone (me with my big mouth) had asked your opinion or thoughts. Heck, I'm always interested in what you guys have to say! I may not agree with you 100% of the time, but at least you give me pause for thought on those occasions. And you've never come across as the type to say "you're gonna burn."

You've each proven to be very much what, in my mind, is a true blue Christian. You do unto others. You don't cast the first stone.
 
Wow, you can say something weeks ago, and people just pull them right back up! I don't know how you do that, doesn't it take forever to find it!?!?

Rick- I am not questioning your belief in God, and from what I have heard from you, see in your profile, and your job, I believe you to be a very,very nice, giving person. If I have personally offended you-I apologize.

I just want to know-have you accepted Jesus as your saviour? Asked him into your heart? Do you have a personal relationship with Him?
 
Albertan mom said:
Wow, you can say something weeks ago, and people just pull them right back up! I don't know how you do that, doesn't it take forever to find it!?!?

Rick- I am not questioning your belief in God, and from what I have heard from you, see in your profile, and your job, I believe you to be a very,very nice, giving person. If I have personally offended you-I apologize.

I just want to know-have you accepted Jesus as your saviour? Asked him into your heart? Do you have a personal relationship with Him?

Albertan mom, I didn't go back and dig up history, nor did I accuse you personally of anything. Yes, you did say something that was pretty offensive, but you apologized for it. I was considering the words of not just you, but a few others. I was actually referencing you only because you were the one that said all were welcome. That's was all.

As far as your questions about Jesus, it's there and I absolutely have a very personal relationship with Him. However, I don't fit into the Born Again belief system nevertheless.
 
RickinNYC said:
Albertan mom, I didn't go back and dig up history, nor did I accuse you personally of anything. Yes, you did say something that was pretty offensive, but you apologized for it. I was considering the words of not just you, but a few others. I was actually referencing you only because you were the one that said all were welcome. That's was all.

As far as your questions about Jesus, it's there and I absolutely have a very personal relationship with Him. However, I don't fit into the Born Again belief system nevertheless.

(No, it wasn't you I was referring to about digging up an old post.)

K thanks for answering, I just wondering what you considered your relationship with Christ to be.
Gotta go clean the house, signing off for now!
 
RickinNYC said:
You don't cast the first stone.
Thats only because I throw like a girl. Seriously, if my ability to throw a baseball is any indication, I should never attempt to cast stones. I would probably end up injuring myself :rotfl: .
 
Albertan mom said:
(No, it wasn't you I was referring to about digging up an old post.)

K thanks for answering, I just wondering what you considered your relationship with Christ to be.
Gotta go clean the house, signing off for now!

If you knew anything at all about Rick you would realize that he was brought up Catholic. We don't "accept" Jesus as our personal saviour - we just know he is. It doesn't have to be acknowledged - it is a part of us. Catholics don't have to accept him into our hearts - by learning his teachings, and following his teachings we are working on being the best Catholic we can be. There is no automatically saved souls in the Catholic Church.

As for the Catholic personal relationship with Jesus - we believe God, Jesus, and Holy Spirit are one being. Therefore to have one with Jesus we must also have one with God. By praying to God and believing that Jesus was the son of God who died on the cross for our sins that is our personal relationship.

~Amanda
 
septbride2002 said:
If you knew anything at all about Rick you would realize that he was brought up Catholic. We don't "accept" Jesus as our personal saviour - we just know he is. It doesn't have to be acknowledged - it is a part of us. Catholics don't have to accept him into our hearts - by learning his teachings, and following his teachings we are working on being the best Catholic we can be. There is no automatically saved souls in the Catholic Church.

As for the Catholic personal relationship with Jesus - we believe God, Jesus, and Holy Spirit are one being. Therefore to have one with Jesus we must also have one with God. By praying to God and believing that Jesus was the son of God who died on the cross for our sins that is our personal relationship.

~Amanda

What she said.
 
septbride2002 said:
If you knew anything at all about Rick you would realize that he was brought up Catholic. We don't "accept" Jesus as our personal saviour - we just know he is. It doesn't have to be acknowledged - it is a part of us. Catholics don't have to accept him into our hearts - by learning his teachings, and following his teachings we are working on being the best Catholic we can be. There is no automatically saved souls in the Catholic Church.

As for the Catholic personal relationship with Jesus - we believe God, Jesus, and Holy Spirit are one being. Therefore to have one with Jesus we must also have one with God. By praying to God and believing that Jesus was the son of God who died on the cross for our sins that is our personal relationship.

~Amanda

Yah, very well put.



Rich::
 
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WDWHound said:
Thats only because I throw like a girl. Seriously, if my ability to throw a baseball is any indication, I should never attempt to cast stones. I would probably end up injuring myself :rotfl: .
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live4christp1 said:
47 Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little.
48 And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven.
49 And they that sat at meat with him began to say within themselves, Who is this that forgiveth sins also?
50 And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.


*** Like the Pharisee, sometimes we are too quick to judge or say things before we think about how they come across to the other party, sadly this does go both ways. Hope that you will continue to stay. Speaking for myself I also like to answer questions non-believers or those of other religions have. It gives me a chance to dig into God's word.......makes me want to work harder to memorize scripture and learn and understand God's word.....it helps me grow spiritually.

OK, now I get why you come here and lurk. This page has been very comforting - from one Lutheran.

Gotta repost this too:
Catholics
and Lutherans
don't have to accept him into our hearts - by learning his teachings, and following his teachings we are working on being the best Catholic we can be. There is no automatically saved souls in the Catholic Church.

As for the Catholic personal relationship with Jesus - we believe God, Jesus, and Holy Spirit are one being. Therefore to have one with Jesus we must also have one with God. By praying to God and believing that Jesus was the son of God who died on the cross for our sins that is our personal relationship.

::yes::

Oh and by the way, yup, anything you say can and will be used in a public forum - weeks, months, years later.
 
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