BoardWalk, Beach Club, Hilton Head, and Vero Beach Price Increases

I think demand for the resort sets the resale price. Whether Disney takes back the offer has minimal bearing on resale prices. HHI and VB also have the highest MF’s. That too plays into demand.

It certainly does play a role. Not saying it doesn’t, but people are not paying $30 more a point for SSR this year than they did last year because the demand simply went up. Lots of ROFR on it impacted it.

As long as ROFR exists, it’s a variable in play that can’t be dismissed
 
The raising of direct prices and the raising of cash rates for rooms is what affects resale prices. ROFR has no affect since they only step in after a price has been determined.
Except that brokers see what is taken in ROFR, and they advise sellers and buyers to bid at prices likely to pass ROFR. Likewise, folks here will see what is passing and what is being taken, and change their bids according. I had a CCV offer for $154 taken in ROFR in December, so I did offer more on the next contract I bid on.
 
Except that brokers see what is taken in ROFR, and they advise sellers and buyers to bid at prices likely to pass ROFR. Likewise, folks here will see what is passing and what is being taken, and change their bids according. I had a CCV offer for $154 taken in ROFR in December, so I did offer more on the next contract I bid on.
Brokers are sales people and it is in their best interest to get you to pay more same as car sales people and real-estate agents who tell you other people are looking to buy this house or car.
 
Brokers are sales people and it is in their best interest to get you to pay more same as car sales people and real-estate agents who tell you other people are looking to buy this house or car.
Sure, but just because that is true doesn't mean it's not true that ROFR is affect resale prices. Both statements can be true.
 

I agree with Lorana, I have offered higher prices after losing three contracts in a row to ROFR.
 
Brokers are sales people and it is in their best interest to get you to pay more same as car sales people and real-estate agents who tell you other people are looking to buy this house or car.
Just 1 year ago the average AKV contract sold was $115, it's now over $135, this wasn't a broker causing this it was ROFR going up
 
That wasn't from ROFR that was just supply and demand from more people wanting to buy resale.
That makes no sense, if more people buying resale then DVC would easily get their ROFR quota at a lower price point and wouldn't be buying in $130's which they have been for months now
 
That makes no sense, if more people buying resale then DVC would easily get their ROFR quota at a lower price point and wouldn't be buying in $130's which they have been for months now
What you just said makes absolutely no sense. If there are 10 contacts for sale and 12 buyers prices go up . If you have only 5 buyers then prices go down. You got it backwards
 
That wasn't from ROFR that was just supply and demand from more people wanting to buy resale.
Actually, it was caused by Disney taking contracts in ROFR. If you look at the ROFR reports from the site sponsor, you'll see that in late 2020, Disney was only taking contracts priced at $92/point. By August 2021, that had risen to $132/point. Brokers, sellers, and buyers were absolutely affected by this.

https://www.dvcresalemarket.com/blog/dvc-right-of-first-refusal-report-rofr-november-21-copy/
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Actually, it was caused by Disney taking contracts in ROFR. If you look at the ROFR reports from the site sponsor, you'll see that in late 2020, Disney was only taking contracts priced at $92/point. By August 2021, that had risen to $132/point. Brokers, sellers, and buyers were absolutely affected by this.

https://www.dvcresalemarket.com/blog/dvc-right-of-first-refusal-report-rofr-november-21-copy/
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What would be interesting is to see average resale prices and see when they increased relative to ROFR increases. If ROFR is causing resale prices to increase you would see ROFR increase starting a few months before resale prices increase.
 
What you just said makes absolutely no sense. If there are 10 contacts for sale and 12 buyers prices go up . If you have only 5 buyers then prices go down. You got it backwards
your previous post wasn't clear, it sounded like you said more resale being
What you just said makes absolutely no sense. If there are 10 contacts for sale and 12 buyers prices go up . If you have only 5 buyers then prices go down. You got it backwards
Too much on the market in last few months, listings up for 2-3 months but ROFR still high. By your logic prices should have come down but they didn't
 
ROFR or not - $265 for BCV and $230 for BWV is RIDICULOUS! But alas - because I need small point contract on both - I’ll probably pay it 😫 - I usually go for a week in May, Oct and Dec…every time they adjust the points charts - Oct goes up a bit, Dec goes up a bunch and May points go down…but not enough to offset the other 2 weeks. And since we don’t stay in Studios - we end up burning thru a lot of points!
 
ROFR or not - $265 for BCV and $230 for BWV is RIDICULOUS! But alas - because I need small point contract on both - I’ll probably pay it 😫 - I usually go for a week in May, Oct and Dec…every time they adjust the points charts - Oct goes up a bit, Dec goes up a bunch and May points go down…but not enough to offset the other 2 weeks. And since we don’t stay in Studios - we end up burning thru a lot of points!
Your not the only one. Watched resales for over a year when I finally paid the $255/pt. for a 60 pt. direct contract. Just couldn’t find any contracts small enough and less than $190-$200/pt. resale. Just bit the bullet. This was a month before VGF2 was announced. But did get previous years points which I rented out. So it’s all good. In the end we want what we want!
 
ROFR or not - $265 for BCV and $230 for BWV is RIDICULOUS! But alas - because I need small point contract on both - I’ll probably pay it 😫 - I usually go for a week in May, Oct and Dec…every time they adjust the points charts - Oct goes up a bit, Dec goes up a bunch and May points go down…but not enough to offset the other 2 weeks. And since we don’t stay in Studios - we end up burning thru a lot of points!

It is crazy high! I still wonder if it’s the start to the end of selling those resorts with 20 years left.

What is interesting is they did the BWV promotion..and now raise prices a really big clip.

As you mention, for small contract it’s sometimes the only way to go.
 
It is crazy high! I still wonder if it’s the start to the end of selling those resorts with 20 years left.

What is interesting is they did the BWV promotion..and now raise prices a really big clip.

As you mention, for small contract it’s sometimes the only way to go.
The incentives could have been their last ditch attempt to dump their remaking rofr points. What will be telling is if dvc do any more buy backs

if in next couple months dvc don’t buy back points then they are probably done with it for a while
 
The incentives could have been their last ditch attempt to dump their remaking rofr points. What will be telling is if dvc do any more buy backs

if in next couple months dvc don’t buy back points then they are probably done with it for a while

That’s my guess. The buy backs will become non existent there.

I also wonder if the huge spread is to showcase RIV and VGF. Why pay $265 for BCV when you can get RIV for at least $60 less and an extra 28 years?
 
That’s my guess. The buy backs will become non existent there.

I also wonder if the huge spread is to showcase RIV and VGF. Why pay $265 for BCV when you can get RIV for at least $60 less and an extra 28 years?
Only makes sense for BCV if you already own there and want to add on a smallish amount (say 50-100ish points) to extend some trips or for bigger rooms at BCV. I would imagine there is still a buyer for those, but few and far between.
 
Only makes sense for BCV if you already own there and want to add on a smallish amount (say 50-100ish points) to extend some trips or for bigger rooms at BCV. I would imagine there is still a buyer for those, but few and far between.

True...I was more thinking for the new buers and a way for guides to show what a bargain RIV and VGF are compared to the old. Get an Epcot or MK (or both) resort for a lot less!

But, anyone wanting small contracts at these resorts may end up having to pay more direct because they are so hard to find.
 
I also wonder if the huge spread is to showcase RIV and VGF. Why pay $265 for BCV when you can get RIV for at least $60 less and an extra 28 years?

Exactly. If you look at direct sales for December, Rivera is back on the upswing.

https://dvcnews.com/dvc-program/fin...8-direct-sales-rebound-a-bit-in-december-2021
I'm starting to think Disney just doesn't care how quickly it sells Rivera. It's a long play to them. They are making bank on the cash side, availability is nonexistent and it's become one of the most popular resorts in just a few years. People love this resort and they love the Skyliner.
 



















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