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[hematite153]

I'm out of here for good and hope maybe I have at least made some sort of an impact and raised the issues of adultism and bi/transphobia that is running rampant through our community.

I'm sorry that you've been so hurt by this conversation and I understand the need to back away.

If you're feeling up to it at some point in the future, I'd encourage you to come back and check it out again.

I think that we all have things to learn from the people who disagree with us. Sometimes I have to walk away for a couple of days and sometimes I've walked away for years. But, I have never regretted any decision I've made to venture back into a difficult space and/or conversation. If I've taken enough time to recharge first, then, I'm usually able to communicate my perspective better. And, I find that after a break, others are often able to hear me better--and if they aren't, I knew coming back that they didn't get me and am better able to release any sense of responsibility for their thoughts and/or responses.

You may or may not end up sharing this experience. But, if you find yourself interested in coming back, I'll welcome your input/experiences.

 

[hematite153]

We are looking at changing it to this.......
This is a board for Gay, Lesbian, Bi and Transgender guests and their family and friends to share information on their Disney Experiences.

This is a board for Gay, Lesbian, Bi, & Transgender guests, and their Straight, but not narrow minded friends and family to share information on their Disney Experiences.

This is a board for all members of the GLBTQ community, as well as, our open minded friends & family to share information on the Disney Experiences.

I like the first or third suggestions best. As someone (I forget who) raised earlier, "straight" is a term that some people find offensive. Thus, I don't like the second.

I agree that there are a lot of CSPs around here and if we're changing the tag line, I think we should make sure that they feel included. Personally, I've always thought that the "friends" bit covered them. But, we haven't asked yet, so, I may have been making an inaccurate assumption. (Any CSP want to answer?) Do we need to add "open-minded", or, a more direct description for you to feel included?

I agree with the importance of the title being transparent enough for parents who know nothing but have just had their 12 year-old come out to them to keep finding us. Thus, I get the idea of keeping the title mostly as it is. However, I still think it might be helpful to add "(GLBTQ)" at the end, if some people think they'd feel more included that way.

I think that Timon-n-Pumbaa Fan's suggestion of a poll (possibly with private response) on a couple of the top choices you're looking at might be a good idea.

Of course, I also think that regardless of the final decision, having this conversation has been good.

 

[npmommie]

I agree that there are a lot of CSPs around here and if we're changing the tag line, I think we should make sure that they feel included. Personally, I've always thought that the "friends" bit covered them. But, we haven't asked yet, so, I may have been making an inaccurate assumption. (Any CSP want to answer?) Do we need to add "open-minded", or, a more direct description for you to feel included?

CSP here!
Personally I don't think anything needs to be added to feel included. I thought the friends part covered it. and FWIW I have always felt included when I post over here, I feel like I am amongst friends when I "talk" over here, even though I don't know anyone here, you have always been accepting of this CSP coming into your board!

 

[wallyb]

Well we were asked to weigh in - so I'll step on the scales-

But this is just my personal opinion - and your opion can't be wrong.
Others can disagree and proably will but that doesn't make your opinion wrong (or right).
And personally I like seeing other points of view.
It's what keeps this big ball turning.

I don't see the need to change the name.
I do like the inclusion of the CSP element in the sub title.

But I'm tepid at best on this topic.
There are so many other things more worthy of "getting your panties in a bunch"!
For all I care change the name to "Salagadoola mechicka boola
bibbidi-bobbidi-boo" - as long as "we" have a place to kibitz.

Few last things-

I too found the "Adultist" comment peculiar and a bit funny.

I don't like the word "Queer" as a title to the outward world.
I had to hear that word hurled too often growing up and it was not
particularly pleasant - thanks.

And I don't think when ones opinions are not fully embraced -
that you get in a huff and do a dramatic exit stage left.
You can agree to disagree and still be friends.

 

[Timon-n-Pumbaa Fan]

Well we were asked to weigh in - so I'll step on the scales-

But this is just my personal opinion - and your opion can't be wrong.
Others can disagree and proably will but that doesn't make your opinion wrong (or right).
And personally I like seeing other points of view.
It's what keeps this big ball turning.

I don't see the need to change the name.
I do like the inclusion of the CSP element in the sub title.

But I'm tepid at best on this topic.
There are so many other things more worthy of "getting your panties in a bunch"!
For all I care change the name to "Salagadoola mechicka boola
bibbidi-bobbidi-boo" - as long as "we" have a place to kibitz.

Few last things-

I too found the "Adultist" comment peculiar and a bit funny.

I don't like the word "Queer" as a title to the outward world.
I had to hear that word hurled too often growing up and it was not
particularly pleasant - thanks.

And I don't think when ones opinions are not fully embraced -
that you get in a huff and do a dramatic exit stage left.
You can agree to disagree and still be friends.

I knew I loved you wallyb! Perfectly stated.

 

[PghLybrt]

We all agree that we like the fact that parents of gay and lesbian children can find us, right? That way they can come here and get educated. So what about parents of other children in our community? Is it really asking to much to show then that we also embrace them within our community? They might honestly not know.


As far as some of the kid comments, I can understand the frustration. I still get the comments. Just because someone has tried in the past to change something or create something and failed, does not mean that it can not be done in the future. I try to never squash some ones dreams, goals or aspirations.

 

[padalyn]

wow, I didn't read for two days and the whole thread just doubled. What a great conversation! I appreciate any new or reviewed knowledge, so, to that end - many years ago I dated a transgender person. MTF. By no means does this make me any kind of knowledgable person, just an exposed (as in to the process). I will say - anyone who is willing to undergo the process, my hat is off to you - what a long painful and rough road. She (my ex) was so happy after the surgeries, she was finally at home in her own skin. She really was amazing in her strength and willingness to share her process.

Now to answer and comment on a few things said:

Stop by my house - I've got at least 4 bottles of icewine (from Canada and New York State, none from Germany) in my basement. (The bottles from Germany are all empty for some reason!)

Off Topic - but wanna share????? Please?????

First of all, you are young.

It currently reads as follows....

This is a board for Gay and Lesbians, their family and friends to share information on their Disney Experiences

We are looking at changing it to this.......

This is a board for Gay, Lesbian, Bi and Transgender guests and their family and friends to share information on their Disney Experiences.


What does everyone else think?

Thank you Mike, Rick and Viki for your time and willingness to do this. I am sure that you have your inboxes loaded with commentary.

I would like to say, first addressing ANYONE as kid or kiddo is annoying to a lot of folks. I am almost 50 and it really annoys me when someone calls me kiddo. In fact I usually tell them I am not their child and the only person in the world who has the right to use that term are my parents. Who would never do so.

Mike - I like the new tagline. I think it explains who we are without being overly long.

CSP here!
Personally I don't think anything needs to be added to feel included. I thought the friends part covered it. and FWIW I have always felt included when I post over here, I feel like I am amongst friends when I "talk" over here, even though I don't know anyone here, you have always been accepting of this CSP coming into your board!

OK, my bad and I am in need of education here... CSP????

Well we were asked to weigh in - so I'll step on the scales-

But this is just my personal opinion - and your opion can't be wrong.
Others can disagree and proably will but that doesn't make your opinion wrong (or right).
And personally I like seeing other points of view.
It's what keeps this big ball turning.

I don't see the need to change the name.
I do like the inclusion of the CSP element in the sub title.

But I'm tepid at best on this topic.
There are so many other things more worthy of "getting your panties in a bunch"!
For all I care change the name to "Salagadoola mechicka boola
bibbidi-bobbidi-boo" - as long as "we" have a place to kibitz.

Few last things-

I too found the "Adultist" comment peculiar and a bit funny.

I don't like the word "Queer" as a title to the outward world.
I had to hear that word hurled too often growing up and it was not
particularly pleasant - thanks.

And I don't think when ones opinions are not fully embraced -
that you get in a huff and do a dramatic exit stage left.
You can agree to disagree and still be friends.

well said!

 

[Timon-n-Pumbaa Fan]

CSP = Cool Straight Person/People

Don't feel bad, I asked it's meaning recently too.

 

[padalyn]

CSP = Cool Straight Person/People

Don't feel bad, I asked it's meaning recently too.

gee now I feel really stupid....I knew that one! I thought it was some other thing I had missed...he he he

 

[wallyb]

As far as some of the kid comments, I can understand the frustration. I still get the comments. Just because someone has tried in the past to change something or create something and failed, does not mean that it can not be done in the future. I try to never squash some ones dreams, goals or aspirations.

I respectfully don't think anyone "squashed" but I in-turn don't think we're
required to coddle.

 

[hematite153]

But this is just my personal opinion - and your opion can't be wrong.
Others can disagree and proably will but that doesn't make your opinion wrong (or right).
And personally I like seeing other points of view.
It's what keeps this big ball turning.
...
You can agree to disagree and still be friends.

I agree. Thanks for weighing in.

 

[hematite153]

We all agree that we like the fact that parents of gay and lesbian children can find us, right? That way they can come here and get educated. So what about parents of other children in our community? Is it really asking to much to show then that we also embrace them within our community? They might honestly not know.

This is a very good point and one that I don't think has yet been raised.

Yes, I think that you are right. These parents probably also need support and a safe place to ask questions.

 

[OrlandoMike]

I'm not marching this summer.

WOW!

Just WOW!

Cant really say anything else, except I am really disappointed in you right now. Please PM me with why this is so!

 

[OrlandoMike]

Now onto buisness.......

Looks like we have three choices, I guess we should put this to a vote, so please send me a PM with what you like, or add something if you like. How does a week sound for voting? You can PM me with your vote and I'll keep track, then we can ask the Webmasters to make some changes. Sound good?


This is a board for Gay, Lesbian, Bi and Transgender guests and their family and friends to share information on their Disney Experiences.

This is a board for Gay, Lesbian, Bi, & Transgender guests, and their Straight, but not narrow minded friends and family to share information on their Disney Experiences.

This is a board for all members of the GLBTQ community, as well as, our open minded friends & family to share information on the Disney Experiences.


Let me know what you like..

#1 (Red)

#2 (Blue)

#3 Green

 

[I<3EvilQueen]

Let me know what you like..

#1 (Red)

#2 (Blue)

#3 Green

I vote green, now who is your candidate for VP?

 

[TuckandStuiesMom]

I'm leanin' towards either of the first two. Since several folks have expressed a desire to be a continuing resource to those just coming out and their families, I think it's important to actually say the words. Some folks new to the community may not be familiar with the acronym GLBTQ.

(I am reminded of an event in my past professional life. I was given the assignment to build content for our facility's intranet. This was so long ago that blogging was still new. I did a YAHOO search on "BLOG" 'cause I thought it sounded like an interesting app to try out -- and my first hit was for Bisexual, Lesbian, and Other Gendered. There had just been a HUGE stink about folks looking at "inappropriate material" (I'll leave it at that) on the internet -- so I had to explain how I got to that site & what I was up to, to the head of our IT Department. )

 

[nordkin]

I have been following this for the last few days and I am saddened by the conflict the original post has created. I am also saddened that those of us who were posting on the original thread, before the Gay and Lesbian at Disney Forum was created, have dwindled in numbers. I know I do not post often, but I lurk everyday. I can not express how happy I was when this forum was created and we no longer were posting to a thread on the Community Board. That was not so very long ago.

My partner and I have been discussing this and we have different reactions to the debate. She wondered why it wasn't GLBTQQ, the second Q being for those questioning. We are almost getting into alphabet soup and where does it stop. The issue for me is, are people welcoming, accepting, and responsive in the forum. Can people who identify as part of this community find us and feel the acceptance and understanding to post a question or ask for help? I think the answer to this is a definite YES as there are many posts to this board.

I am sorry if anyone feels excluded, as I am sure this was unintentional. I look forward to seeing the outcome of the vote and the continued fellowship and understanding of the people who post in this forum.

 

[Timon-n-Pumbaa Fan]

FYI - In the alphabet soup that is, GLBTQ, to me, that Q is Questioning....I do not like the word Queer!

 

[TuckandStuiesMom]

I am sorry if anyone feels excluded, as I am sure this was unintentional. I look forward to seeing the outcome of the vote and the continued fellowship and understanding of the people who post in this forum.

I think you summed it up perfectly. And it would be great to hear from you more often.

 

[wallyb]

This is a board for all members of the GLBTQ community, as well as, our open minded friends & family to share information on the Disney Experiences.

I guess I'm for this one.
But I think the abbreviate bit should be spelled out - I just don't think that its as
widely known as we would like to think.

And can I say - Sometimes I find this overly concerned
with PC matters world very tiresome.