Bizarre, Creepy Incident w/My DD and Potential Pervert (long)

Skywalker said:
I used to work in a real estate office and other agents who had nothing to do at the moment would often take someone's child and go and photocopy their hands! They do it to be helpful by keeping the kids busy so the parents could concentrate on business. And when you do that, you hold children exactly the way you described. I think you being suspicious about this activity is a little "out there".

If you had a bad feeling about him, that is another thing...but based upon the ACTIONS you describe it sounds perfectly innocent to me, because I've seen it a lot (and I'm pretty sure I did not work in an office full of male and female pedophile real estate agents).

I have a room adjoining my office that all of my kid have used, my DD still comes to work with me, which has toys, puzzles, etc. There have been many a kid over the years that have tagged along with their parents to go in that room. Sometimes one of the office girls, or an agent will go in there to keep them enrtained or just to play with them. The door is always openthough. I think a lot of times if a child is brought into a work/office setting, even if they are behaving, people have a tendency to keep them entertained because they want to help the parent.

I think your mind is overworking to be honest. And I would tread softly before saying anything to this man's boss about this. I have seen many a lives/careers destroyed over these kind of allegations.
 
I dunno, my gut says he was just trying to be kind and help distract DD for you. I doubt he would make perv moves in the office lke that... most are smart and think it out, not just make it up as they go. Thats just my take from what you said.
 
FayeW said:
I think you are way off base, and completely over reacting. Ask your self if the positions were reversed, and the gentleman came to help you while the receptionist took your daughter and photocopied her hands, would we even be having this conversation? Probably not.

I completely disagree. YOU are way off base. There is absolutely NO comparison between the man and the receptionist. 95+% of sexual predators are heterosexual males. No one is saying she should call the cops and turn the guy in or start screaming "pervert", they're just stating that she should tell her attorney that she felt uncomfortable. She's not accusing him of anything, just stating her feelings. Any manager would be happy to have this info as they could share it at a company meeting and folks would be more careful. Employees learn a lesson, no harm done. BTW-if he is a sexual predator and the mention of this incident gets the guy caught then the OP has saved a child's innocence. If it was just her creepy feeling then the company has learned a valuable lesson. It's a win-win!
 
:confused3 I know you said he looked flushed and flustered, maybe he has some health issues. Maybe a bad back, lung problems. :confused3
 

I also work in an office where visiting kids are taken to the copy machine pronto to copy their hands. They get to make the cutest little turkeys out of them and it keeps them quite occupied. So, in that respect I'd find it completely innocent. But, I do believe in instinct and none of us here can judge the vibe you got based on body language and facial expression. I don't think it's enough to make an issue of it as it wouldn't be fair to accuse someone of something so serious without real evidence, but I'd leave my daughter at home next time given your feelings.
 
Observations:

If you saw the man start to walk away with your child and you did not want your child to go, you should have said no at that time.

If it gave you a bad feeling, then trust your gut.

I'd mention it to the attorney from the perspective of "the employee may want to be careful to ask the parents' permission before walking away with their child."

I also probably wouldn't bring my child to that office anymore
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Disney Doll said:
Observations:

If you saw the man start to walk away with your child and you did not want your child to go, you should have said no at that time.

If it gave you a bad feeling, then trust your gut.

I'd mention it to the attorney from the perspective of "the employee may want to be careful to ask the parents' permission before walking away with their child."

I also probably wouldn't bring my child to that office anymore
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This is exactly what I was thinking. I think it's a very bad judgement call to take a child off without addressing the parents. Perv or not, I think I would be peeved at that. I see nothing wrong with people squatting down to talk to your kids, and whatnot. But to just lead them off somewhere else I think is a bit much.
 
Michie said:
:confused3 I know you said he looked flushed and flustered, maybe he has some health issues. Maybe a bad back, lung problems. :confused3

I agree, If I were trying to hold a two year old in the position needed to photocopy her hands, I'd be a bit out of breath as well.

Normally when you hold a child you use your hip for balance. When you are holding them in front of you, particularly at that level, it's very awkward.

I'm really thinking this was bad judgement on his part and an overactive mommy mind on the OP's part.

I think there is blame on both sides. He should have asked Mom if he could take her to make a photocopy of her hands, then pulled a chair over to the machine for her to stand on.

On the flip side, Mom should have stopped him from taking her to begin with. A simple "Thanks but we're almost done here" would have been all it took..."

Anne
 
Of course none of us can say for sure either way, but I do think that intuition these days is seriously affected by what we've seen in the news. We are all so much more aware now that it borders or becomes paranoia.

I would say you would need much much more evidence to say anything. It's an incredibly serious accusation, even to suggest something was wrong, and you really need to think first about how much your judgment is influenced. We hear about every truly horrible thing that happens to children and we imagine how it must be for them and their parents and it's terrifying.

We do need to be vigilant, and finishing up and going to get your daughter was the right thing to do.

Workplaces can be incredibly boring and dull and unpleasant, and for some people a visiting child, or a dog, or donuts, are just like a breath of fresh air. And it's always fun to use one of the most boring pieces of equipment to impress a child.

It's too bad things have gotten so complicated.

E.
 
Trust your gut. I was very young, maybe 5 or 6 and there was a family aquaintance that I always got a weird vibe from even at that young an age. I was never comfortable around him and he just seemed slimey to me. Even being that young, I felt he was odd. He died suddenly when I was a young teen and they found a lot of child porn amongst his belongings. I always knew he was creepy.

If you got funny vibes about the situation, then keep your child away from this man. I would not say anything because you do not have concrete proof but I would not want my child around him again.

Good Luck.
 
On the flip side, Mom should have stopped him from taking her to begin with. A simple "Thanks but we're almost done here" would have been all it took..."

Look, I already feel incredibly guilty about having allowed this to happen to my daughter, so all these posts about how it's all my fault anyway are moot. I already know that it's my fault, and feel horrible about it, thank you very much.

Haven't any of you ever been in a situation where something happened, before you even realized it happened? I was looking at the papers I was signing, in my peripheral vision, I saw the guy approach, seconds later, they were gone.

I didn't automatically assume something bad was happening. I wanted to get my daughter, but I didn't want to be rude. If I'm over-reacting by worrying after the fact, then surely I would have been over-reacting if I snatched my daughter away from the guy or jumped in between them.

I only became alarmed when I saw them at the copier. I have worked in offices for 10-15 years, and honestly, I have never photocopied a child's hands for entertainment purposes. And although I have smiled and talked to the children of friends, coworkers, and clients who came to the office, I have never gone out of my way to seek out and spend time with a child who had nothing to do with me or my work. I wasn't talking to this guy, he isn't part of my case, we had never seen each other before, and yet he came into the reception area for no other purpose than to engage in conversation with my toddler, who as I've said before, was not being remotely disruptive, or even making any kind of noise.

No, I wouldn't have been as alarmed if it had been a woman. Most child molesters aren't women. I do think that if any mother on this board entered a room and saw their daughter bent over, with an adult male stranger pressed up against her bottom, you'd be alarmed, regardless of the context.

Perverts often find a way to touch/hold a child in an innocent looking way... to be able to lean up against the back side of a child seems to me an extremely arousing position for a pedophile to be in... if one was a pedophile.

That was my first, immediate thought. And if he has a bad back, as some posters have suggested, why is he going around looking for little kids to pick up?

Of course I'm not going to bring her to that office anymore. I wouldn't have brought her at all if it was a regular appointment. I only brought her because I've had to be away from them a lot this week and she was sad about me leaving, and I thought we'd just be in and out.

I will admit that I am very touchy when it comes to strangers and my kids. I have been known to get annoyed with store clerks and overly-friendly passers-by when they insist on teasing and touching my children. I'm just surprised at how many people don't seem to mind complete and total strangers putting their hands on their kids. If you love kids, fine, talk to them, wave, play peek a boo. But there are very few reasons to need to pick up or hold a child you don't know at all.

Edited to add: After thinking a bit, I realized that I just got back from Disneyland, where I freely allowed many characters to hug and touch my kids. But even then the characters didn't pick them up. They would accept hugs, or give handshakes or pats on the head, but they didn't initiate the physical contact.
 
I'm really feeling bad here for the OP...

It seems a bit to me like there are so many excuses being made how this could have been innocent.. ok, yea, it may have been. But when it comes to children, especially very young children as the OP's is, you make NO excuses and be sure to protect the child.
Could she have acted differently... sure. But it's an uncomfortable situation. The gentleman saw that she was preoccupied, and he led her child away. Did he even notice that SHE noticed him do it? Who knows.

If it happened again, I'm sure she would react differently now. She obviously regrets not stopping him. She saw them together.. none of us did. I don't believe someone can 'over react' when it comes to protecting our children.

It has been said she should tell exactly what happened and how it made her feel to her lawyer. No one said to make any accusations.
No one here knows if someone in the past had felt uncomfortable with this man doing something similar with their child... so it needs to be mentioned.

OP is correct in feeling the way she does, she saw it... it's her child.

It could have have been innocent.. it most likely was innocent, but what if it wasn't? Would you want to be the parent of the next child this man touches??
 
Trust your instincts and don't let anyone make you feel guilty for doing so. I'd rather be safe than sorry!
 
I agree with many that there isn't enough evidence here to accuse anyone of anything. If possible, I wouldn't bring her there again. I might mention it to my lawyer that it would have been better if the guy had asked first.

I am a little bit surprised that some of you say this is a common occurence, and that one of you even mentioned putting a child on your lap. Many of my coworkers bring their children in the office to visit and I've never seen anyone say to the kids "want to take a picture of your hands?" or put them on their laps. And we know each other. I love kids, so that's not the issue. I just wouldn't think to do that to kids I don't know well. And I certainly wouldn't take them into another room to photocopy their hands, without a parent's permission.

Maybe the OP is overreacting, but mommy radar is strong. I would have felt creepy after this incident, and I'm not a mom.
 
I don't know, my kids always thought it was funny to take Xerox copies of their hands, feet, butts (fully clothed). It was probably nothing but who knows. It sounds like something my DH would do in his office with kids and he isn't a pervert, just someone that thinks he is really funny :rotfl2: .
 
Skywalker said:
I used to work in a real estate office and other agents who had nothing to do at the moment would often take someone's child and go and photocopy their hands! They do it to be helpful by keeping the kids busy so the parents could concentrate on business. And when you do that, you hold children exactly the way you described. I think you being suspicious about this activity is a little "out there".

If you had a bad feeling about him, that is another thing...but based upon the ACTIONS you describe it sounds perfectly innocent to me, because I've seen it a lot (and I'm pretty sure I did not work in an office full of male and female pedophile real estate agents).
I don't work in real estate, but when a person brings a child into the office, I swear to you we should just shut down the office at that point because WE ALL go and entertain the child. We make copies, we give the kids stuff from our marketing department, etc.

OP, weren't you also worried about the cashier at the grocery store?

I'm not saying there is anything wrong with it, I just think you have some trust issues with other people and your child. :hug:
 
Sounds pretty innocent to me. I may be off base here, but I can't imagine a pedophile would risk having the mother a few feet away and being in his workplace full of lawyers... doesn't make any sense.
 
Miss Jasmine said:
I don't work in real estate, but when a person brings a child into the office, I swear to you we should just shut down the office at that point because WE ALL go and entertain the child. We make copies, we give the kids stuff from our marketing department, etc.

OP, weren't you also worried about the cashier at the grocery store?

I'm not saying there is anything wrong with it, I just think you have some trust issues with other people and your child. :hug:

I agree with both your points here Miss Jasmine! We're the same when people bring kids into my office and I wouldn't think twice about grabbing a 'cuddle' with young kids!

Likewise your observation about the OP's 'trust issues' is about spot on! Even though I say so myself my DD was a VERY cute baby/toddler and would often get - particularly older ladies - squeeze her cheeks or tickle her and she in turn would giggle loudly. I was always proud of the fact that other people thought she was as cute as I did! I certainly never got annoyed!

Sorry OP - but you did ask for opinions and I don't blame you for getting annoyed when this guy took her out of your sight but other than that I DO think you over reacted. I would also be very cautious about 'discussing' this with anyone in the firm he works for. This is the sort of mud that sticks fast!
 
I'm also in the category of "this sounds just like something my DH would do". He loves kids (his own and anybody else's).

On the other hand, I was a victim of inappropriate behavior when I was a child, and due to that, I get very nervous about this type of thing very easily (I have had to carefully deal with those "trust issues" somebody else mentioned).

Honestly, the guy should have checked with you before he made "pictures of her hands" (something I've seen lots of people do in schools and offices), but it probably was innocent. Don't keep beating up on yourself and try to write it off.

Don't feel bad about worrying though, in today's sad world you never know sometimes. :grouphug:
 
Trust your instincts. You got a bad vibe, that's all you need to know. I agree it could be totally innocent -so what? If you got a bad vibe, you keep a more watchful eye around him or don't take your dd there. You might even want to mention that him taking your dd without your permission or knowing what they were doing made you uncomfortable.

I agree there's nothing to be accusing anyone about, no one is suggesting that, but if it made you uncomfortable - that's enough to keep it from happening again.
 

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