Bio Fingerprints

[WDWguru]

I think that's right, that they've been doing the multiple scans per party thing for a while. DH and I experimented with our APs a few years ago and used each others to get into MK one day. They both worked without a hitch. Up to this point, we assumed that meant the biometric scan was all for show and didn't really do anything. However, they were purchased at the same time and we have the same last name, so it makes sense that they were both just encoded with both our scans.

 

[peter11435]

I think that's right, that they've been doing the multiple scans per party thing for a while. DH and I experimented with our APs a few years ago and used each others to get into MK one day. They both worked without a hitch. Up to this point, we assumed that meant the biometric scan was all for show and didn't really do anything. However, they were purchased at the same time and we have the same last name, so it makes sense that they were both just encoded with both our scans.

Yes, the system has worked like this for a long time.

 

[NotUrsula]

OK, so that's lovely if the tickets were purchased at the same time and are in sequence; they are actually being linked when they are sold, not when they are used. Are they going to set up some procedure (away from the turnstiles, presumably) whereby you can "link" your tickets if you did not purchase them simultaneously?

Our tickets are pretty much never in sequence, as we tend to purchase them for multiple trips, and since both of us visit Orlando a couple of times per year on business, we tend not to have the same number of days left on all the tickets we are holding at a given time. The ones we have now are PHP+'s, of course, but I don't anticipate our habits will change much; we will still buy the largest ticket we can afford at a given moment, with the idea of using it on several trips, both group and solo.

There are lots of reasons why a "group" of tickets might be out of sequence, it seems that purchasers of gift tickets, especially, may need to be warned that a visit to guest services might be necessary to get tickets properly "linked."

 

[SuzyQue]

Ditto what NotUrsula said. I contemplated buying more PHP's just before they stopped selling them but decided to wait and buy 7 or 10 day MYW passes instead, a better deal. But I will only buy one at a time as money allows. I hope the 4 tickets I eventually end up buying can be "grouped" together. ~~

 

[peter11435]

Ditto what NotUrsula said. I contemplated buying more PHP's just before they stopped selling them but decided to wait and buy 7 or 10 day MYW passes instead, a better deal. But I will only buy one at a time as money allows. I hope the 4 tickets I eventually end up buying can be "grouped" together. ~~

Well, since you will have to sign the back of them. Your names will all be on them. This should make it pretty easy to see whose is whose.

 

[lauran cameron]

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=1770063

Pictures of the new scanners at the parks.

hahaha those new ones make me *giggle*

steps 1, 2, 3 follow me!

 

[T16GEM]

when we were at MK in Nov we had to show ID at some of the parks, as I didn;t have my wallet with me I thought that they wouldn't let me in, luckily DH had my Costco members card in his wallett and i used that.

I think it is a good ides, at least you feel safer.

 

[tfc3rid]

I had AP's when they were using this system and it was slow... But boy oh boy, this is REALLY REALLY slow...

This system is not smooth and it takes and extra 5 to 10 minutes just to get past the turnstiles now... Not a good way to roll out the new system... Too many times, it fails on people's Biometric scan. I know for me it failed more often than not on my AP's even when I had been using the system for years... It is just not going well...

The idea behind it, fine... Implementation...not so fine...

 

[SueM in MN]

The photo pass also took a long time to create. Everyone needed to wait in a long line to get their picture taken. This way your finger scan is taken the first time you use the system. It is really very simple once you get the hang of it.

I remember those. Getting the pictures taken took at least 1/2 hour of our time (with waiting in line and 6 in our party who needed pictures taken). Also, the resolution on the pictures wasn't that great.
We were at the Studio on 1/2 and at Epcot on 1/3. It really didn't take all that much more time for people to go thru. Some of the machines work better than others. And some of the CMs actually make it worse. When you have a CM telling you to "Squeeze it hard", that's what you do, but squeezing makes you tight and rotates your fingers so they aren't going in straight. Every time I have had a "bad" read, it's because the CM is telling me to squeeze my fingers together. What you actually need to do is put your fingers straight into the machine and not squeeze.

 

[NotUrsula]

Well, since you will have to sign the back of them. Your names will all be on them. This should make it pretty easy to see whose is whose.

That's the point of what I'm saying. We *want* to still be able to trade the passes around among our immediate family, because if we go for 5 days with one pass that has seven days remaining on it (w/ name X) and one pass that has 3 days (w/ name Y) and one that has two days (w/ name X), we don't want to have to buy a new pass in order to enable person Y to get into the parks on all 5 days.

According to what I'm being told here, that would still work fine if we purchased all 3 of those passes in the same place at the same time, but if not, we might have trouble with person Y using a pass that was originally used by person X.

 

[rwodonnell]

I guess like some others here, I am concerned about this as well. I have several issues.

First, I am concerned about identifying a particular ticket with my children. I don't let them hold them, and I don't track whose is whose, so I am worried that each time we will have a hassle of identifying the ticket owner before we enter the park. And you can forget about them "signing" them.

Second, I am concerned that I will no longer be able to buy tickets for my guests. I am a DVC member who has in the past bought tickets for my guests, and when they did not use up the entire Park Hopper, I used the remaining days on my next guest. It sounds like this may not work any more.

What problem is Disney trying to address with the biometrics part of the new passes? Was the transfer of partially used park hoppers really that big a problem? I mean, they must have spent a fortune on this system, and they are risking a public reaction to it (particularly if it's as slow as people are saying to get in.)

 

[DrTomorrow]

They've had biometric scanners for years, but the only used it for the Annual Passes (and FL passes?). Obviously Disney is making a better effort to enforce rules (non-transferability) already in place. As for the roll-out, while it's going to be slow going at first, I think that once people do it a few times, it will speed up dramatically.

IMHO - YMMV

 

[Letsbgoofy]

I think this new system is a bit extreme. I planned on buying 2 ten day non-expiring tickets. I planned to use 3 days with my sister this summer, and the other 7 days with my husband in 2007. I don't consider is "transferring" tickets if I own them both, pay for them both, and use them within my family. Now it seems that this won't work.

 

[EEyorelover22]

I want to allow DS and DH to use our options on DD and my ticket. I'm not sure this will even work. But, some think it may since we are all in one family. I guess we will find out when we go.

 

[peter11435]

I guess like some others here, I am concerned about this as well. I have several issues.

First, I am concerned about identifying a particular ticket with my children. I don't let them hold them, and I don't track whose is whose, so I am worried that each time we will have a hassle of identifying the ticket owner before we enter the park. And you can forget about them "signing" them.

Second, I am concerned that I will no longer be able to buy tickets for my guests. I am a DVC member who has in the past bought tickets for my guests, and when they did not use up the entire Park Hopper, I used the remaining days on my next guest. It sounds like this may not work any more.

What problem is Disney trying to address with the biometrics part of the new passes? Was the transfer of partially used park hoppers really that big a problem? I mean, they must have spent a fortune on this system, and they are risking a public reaction to it (particularly if it's as slow as people are saying to get in.)

You should sign the back of their tickets and then the problem is solved. With their names obviously.

 

[peter11435]

I think this new system is a bit extreme. I planned on buying 2 ten day non-expiring tickets. I planned to use 3 days with my sister this summer, and the other 7 days with my husband in 2007. I don't consider is "transferring" tickets if I own them both, pay for them both, and use them within my family. Now it seems that this won't work.

It is actually Florida State Law that these tickets be used by the same person on any and all days. Disney is just enforcing this. Its just like taking an airplane. You cannot purchase a round trip ticket, fly to your destination and then lat someone else use your ticket back. Even if you could get a way with it. You technically can't do this.

 

[bytheblood]

but this will cut down ppl passing on un-used days to others.

You know, I can totally understand that there are rules in place and they should be followed, but I have to say...I do not understand why Disney (Or the State of Florida) cares so much if somebody has some unused days on their tickets and passes them to somebody else??? :jumping4: Disney is not being cheated out of anything and the days have already been paid for anyway. If anybody is being cheated, it is the person who paid for the tickets who is not getting to go to WDW to use them.

 

[The4OfUs]

I don't think it's the people who let others use them - it's the people who profit off it selling it on eBay??

 

[bytheblood]

I don't think it's the people who let others use them - it's the people who profit off it selling it on eBay??

Well, even still, how much of a profit are they making???

Let's say they purchase a 5-day hopper at $250 = $50 a day. They use two days, so $100 worth. They have 3 days left ($150) and sell it on ebay for $125 plus $6 to ship it in a FedEx envelope....(these are all rough numbers mind you)...how much profit did they make? Looks to me like the seller would not even be breaking even unless they sold it at a break-even price. Most don't, they just do not want to be out all that money.

 

[Chuck S]

I don't think it's the people who let others use them - it's the people who profit off it selling it on eBay??

And the folks that sell fully used tickets, claiming to have a few days left on them.

Also, lets not forget, that amusement parks were considered "soft targets" for terrorists. This is also a way that Disney can know "who" is entering their parks.