Big Love premiered last night

I have a different take on this. I think Wanda is going to try to recruit Jodean as a "replacement" for Kathy. Kathy and Jodean's demeanors are too different for them to have switched.

I thought that Wanda may be looking for Kathy's "replacement" also. Now, I think I would like the other theory better. Roman really has a lot of nerve showing up.

I still can't believe the pig bite Selma last week! :eek:

I can't believe there are only 2 episodes left.
 
Here is the info on next weeks temple scene:

SALT LAKE CITY — HBO on Tuesday defended its plans to depict a sacred Mormon temple ceremony in an upcoming episode of "Big Love."

The drama about a Utah polygamous family will show an endowment ceremony Sunday.

HBO said it did not intend to be disrespectful of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and apologized.

"Obviously, it was not our intention to do anything disrespectful to the church, but to those who may be offended, we offer our sincere apology," the premium cable channel said in a statement issued Tuesday.

But the ceremony is an important part of the "Big Love" story line, HBO said.

In the scene, actress Jeanne Tripplehorn's character, Barb, goes through the endowment ceremony as she faces losing her membership in the Mormon church.

On Monday, Mormon church leaders criticized HBO for its decision to include the ceremony and said airing the material shows the insensitivity of the network's writers, producers and executives.

"Certainly church members are offended when their most sacred practices are misrepresented or presented without context or understanding," the church statement said.

Only church members in good standing can enter temples to perform or witness sacred ceremonies. The ceremonies are centered on religious teachings and re-enactments of Bible stories to help Mormons prepare an eternal place for themselves _ and others by proxy _ in heaven.

Members take a vow not to discuss the rituals outside temple walls, although details of the ceremonies are widely available on the Internet.

The dramatization of the ceremony was vetted for accuracy by an adviser familiar with temple ceremonies who was on set during filming, said series creators and executives producers Mark V. Olsen and Will Scheffer.

"In approaching the dramatization of the endowment ceremony, we knew we had a responsibility to be completely accurate and to show the ceremony in the proper context and with respect," Olsen and Scheffer said in a separate statement issued through HBO. "We therefore took great pains to depict the ceremony with the dignity and reverence it is due."

The church declined an interview request by The Associated Press on Tuesday.

News of the episode has sparked an online campaign by individual Latter-day Saints, who are calling for a boycott of "Big Love" and cancellation of subscriptions to HBO, AOL and other Time Warner Inc.-owned entities.

The church itself has not called for a boycott and said in its statement that doing so would just fuel controversy and interest in the program.

Church leaders also said members of the rapidly growing faith should not feel defensive about HBO's characterization of Mormons.

"There is no evidence that extreme misrepresentations in the media that appeal only to a narrow audience have any long term negative effect on the church," they said in the statement.

"Big Love" is in its third season on HBO and a fourth is in the works. The program tells the story of Bill Hendrickson, a fundamentalist (played by Bill Paxton) who runs a chain of hardware stores and lives with three wives (Tripplehorn, Chloe Sevigny and Ginnifer Goodwin) in a Salt Lake City suburb.

Like Utah's real-life fundamentalists, the Hendricksons' beliefs are tied to the early teachings of Mormon church founder Joseph Smith, who said polygamy was an essential doctrine for exaltation in the afterlife. The church ultimately abandoned the practice in 1890 as a condition of Utah's statehood.

When "Big Love" first aired, negotiations between the church and HBO resulted in a one-time disclaimer included in the show's credits that distinguished the modern church's position on polygamy from the beliefs of the fictional characters in the series.

This season, however, the show's polygamy-focused stories have included more mainstream Mormon references. The program references events from Mormon history and the Hendricksons take a family vacation to upstate New York for the Hill Cumorah Pageant, a reenactment of stories from the Book of Mormon.

"Despite earlier assurances from HBO, it once again blurs the distinction between The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and the show's fictional non-Mormon characters and their practices," the church statement said.

HBO contends that throughout its three-year run writers and producers of "Big Love" have continued to make a clear "distinction between the LDS church and those extreme fringe groups who practice polygamy."

Being featured in a popular HBO series is in many ways a plus for the 178-year-old church, said Daniel Stout, a professor of journalism and media studies at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas.

"It says the Mormon church has come of age, it's a major American religion," said Stout, who studies and writes about the intersection of religion and popular culture.

But the attention may also raise fears among church leaders that Mormons will become a target for ridicule or persecution because the details of the sacred temple ceremony will seem strange to non-Mormons. However, studies have shown that predictions about the effects of media depictions aren't always accurate, Stout said.

"There are many themes and issues dealt with by `Big Love,'" he said. "It's a story of family, of relationships and the dynamics of polygamy. It's entertainment. I'm not sure people will be watching it like a documentary."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/10/hbo-vs-the-mormons-in-bat_n_173707.html
 
Thanks for posting. Explains a lot more than ABC Eyewitness news this morning.

So this is for an upcoming episode (Sun.).

I have a question - since I do miss and find certain things confusing (when you are half asleep).

What was Barb going through when she was in the tub with Bill?
 
Margene had been carrying around her mom's urn to decide what to do with her. They took 'her' on the trip across country and Margene left her ashes on the roof of the car, started driving and the urn fell, shattered and her mother's ashes went blowing in the wind.

Margene was so upset that Bill baptized Barb in the name of Margene's mother so they they could be reunited in the afterlife. that is why barb was in the tub
 

Margene had been carrying around her mom's urn to decide what to do with her. They took 'her' on the trip across country and Margene left her ashes on the roof of the car, started driving and the urn fell, shattered and her mother's ashes went blowing in the wind.

Margene was so upset that Bill baptized Barb in the name of Margene's mother so they they could be reunited in the afterlife. that is why barb was in the tub



Thank you for clearing that up for me.
 
does anyone think that there's a chance that Kathy didn't die -- that it was her twin?? my husband threw that out there last night. I'm not so sure I can buy into that theory or not. LOL

Only two episodes left. I can't believe it!!

Yes, I do! I was thinking the exact same thing while watching it. :rotfl:
 
Here's another theory I have about Kathy/Jodeen/Wanda:

Wanda was acting overly nice to Kathy right before the wedding, which is very unusual for Wanda, kind of like she was up to something. What if Roman, knowing that Wanda did not want Kathy to join their family, recruited Wanda to set Kathy up to wander down that ravine to pick flowers in order for Roman's crew to nab her and send her off to be sealed to that creepy man and his wives.

I think it's also possible that Wanda realized it was Jodeen before she sent her to pick flowers and knew what better way to hurt Kathy than to have her twin sister shipped off. It would not only hurt Kathy, but it would make it impossible for Kathy to marry into her family because Kathy "supposedly" disappeared...two birds with one stone.

I also think that Wanda's grief is real and that she did not know anyone would be harmed, but she also knows that it's actually Kathy sitting there at that funeral grieving for her sister and Wanda is feeling guilty that she played a part in it.

Now, why all this would happen, I don't know, except that perhaps Jodeen was feeling extremely guilty about the way she testified at Roman's trial and therefore stepped into Kathy's shoes for some reason unbeknownst to us at this time.

Whew! :confused3
 
I don't think that was Kathy's twin that died..I think it was Kathy because look how she was acting before the ceremony..she was in love with Joey

but I do think Wanda thinks she can just replace Kathy..she is nutty as a fruitcake!:laughing:
 


News of the episode has sparked an online campaign by individual Latter-day Saints, who are calling for a boycott of "Big Love" and cancellation of subscriptions to HBO, AOL and other Time Warner Inc.-owned entities.

The church itself has not called for a boycott and said in its statement that doing so would just fuel controversy and interest in the program.



Well at least the LDS church learned from the Southern Baptists, because we all know how well that Disney boycott went for 'em. . .


Being featured in a popular HBO series is in many ways a plus for the 178-year-old church, said Daniel Stout, a professor of journalism and media studies at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas.

"It says the Mormon church has come of age, it's a major American religion," said Stout, who studies and writes about the intersection of religion and popular culture.


I took a leisure class in beliefs of other kinds (A non-judgemental way of saying "cult", if you were wondering or confused as to the nature of the class.) many, many moons ago, back when mastedons roamed, and had a very wise and scholarly religous studies type and ordained Southern Baptist Minister tell the class "Just remember, all major religions start as humble alternative beliefs. Even Christianity was, at one point, a group of hippies living in a commune."

We went on to discuss when exactly we felt the Mormons had transcended cultic status and become a full, grown-up major world religion. The problem is, of course, that sometimes the Mormons want to be in the Christian club (which would preclude them from being their own religion, after all), and sometimes they don't. When it comes time for the ice cream socials and social networking, they tend to be all for it. When it comes down to being able to recite the club pledges. . .not so much.

It's actually something I'll mull over tonight before going to sleep: what does Big Love indicate about our non-LDS perceptions of the LDS church in regards to how seriously we consider it a seperate religion?
 
Just curious- has anyone else here read the recent books about the young girls who have escaped fromt he polygamist groups? I read Escape last summer and I read it so fast because it was so interesting (and sad at the same time). I am about to start Stolen Innocence and I heard it was also a very good one. I find it so interesting to read what really happened/what is happening at these polygamist compounds in comparison to what is happening on the show since lots of Big Love's story lines are pulled straight from these real life stories.
 
Just curious- has anyone else here read the recent books about the young girls who have escaped fromt he polygamist groups? I read Escape last summer and I read it so fast because it was so interesting (and sad at the same time). I am about to start Stolen Innocence and I heard it was also a very good one. I find it so interesting to read what really happened/what is happening at these polygamist compounds in comparison to what is happening on the show since lots of Big Love's story lines are pulled straight from these real life stories.

Sometimes (most times to be honest) I forget that this isn't some made up TV and although I don't think Big Love depicts a 'normal' representatives of the Mormon faith, the compound scenes are mirrored with too familiar true story lines.
 
Just curious- has anyone else here read the recent books about the young girls who have escaped fromt he polygamist groups? I read Escape last summer and I read it so fast because it was so interesting (and sad at the same time). I am about to start Stolen Innocence and I heard it was also a very good one. I find it so interesting to read what really happened/what is happening at these polygamist compounds in comparison to what is happening on the show since lots of Big Love's story lines are pulled straight from these real life stories.


If you go online you can find the Utah AG's office report on the various polygamist groups in Utah. Juniper Creek and the UEB is the FLDS church with only marginal fictionalization; the producers have been quite open about that. But that's not the ONLY face of polygamy. Don and his wives and family are actually taken directly from another church, one with a polygamy style that's fairly healthy. I've also read that there actually are family living situations in Utah like those of the Bill and his wives, except that they tend to seperate the houses by about a block. (Try reading the Yahoo Groups Big Love group or reading some of the blogs of the different faces of polygamy that are out there. Fascinating stuff!)
 
Just curious- has anyone else here read the recent books about the young girls who have escaped fromt he polygamist groups? I read Escape last summer and I read it so fast because it was so interesting (and sad at the same time). I am about to start Stolen Innocence and I heard it was also a very good one. I find it so interesting to read what really happened/what is happening at these polygamist compounds in comparison to what is happening on the show since lots of Big Love's story lines are pulled straight from these real life stories.

I have read those books as well as books about mainstream LDS. Big Love is amazingly accurate about both the FLDS and LDS---right down to slang used in the LDS church.
 
If you go online you can find the Utah AG's office report on the various polygamist groups in Utah. Juniper Creek and the UEB is the FLDS church with only marginal fictionalization; the producers have been quite open about that. But that's not the ONLY face of polygamy. Don and his wives and family are actually taken directly from another church, one with a polygamy style that's fairly healthy. I've also read that there actually are family living situations in Utah like those of the Bill and his wives, except that they tend to seperate the houses by about a block. (Try reading the Yahoo Groups Big Love group or reading some of the blogs of the different faces of polygamy that are out there. Fascinating stuff!)


Oh I know I have read lots of stuff on all the different groups and it is fascinating stuff. I have watched shows and read stuff one the more "normal" polygamist groups but what I don't understand is how some of these guys are so rich? I watched one and the guy lived in a mansion and had 3 wives none of whom worked and I thought where does his money come from? But then again they lived in the middle of nowhere and of course the guy would not be shown on TV or speak to the cameras so they weren't allowed to say much about him. But haha, my husband and I are worried about supporting one child! I'll have to check out the Yahoo group.
 
I have no idea where those men get their money. I sometimes wonder that myself. (I will add that I used to know a polygamist family - not religious in any shape, form or figure - and while it seemed like a difficult balancing act relationship-wise, the money side of it did seem to work out fairly well.)
 
I thought the whole money thing comes from having a lot of wives and children on welfare. The man takes the money from all his wives and they are left with a shelter and just the bare minimum basics while he is free to do with the money what he pleases, plus he has a job on top of his gravy train.
 












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