BIG change to FP+ today

[Mad Hattered]

Yet oddly your proflie location is "down in a hole", hmm

Have you ever seen ALICE IN WONDERLAND? Math be good....literacy...not so much apparently

Edited to add that I am a huge Alice in Chains fan...not that it helps to explain my location as a Mad Hatter, just trying to help those further understand the obvious.

 

[jade1]

Have you ever seen ALICE IN WONDERLAND? Math be good....literacy...not so much apparently

Yes I knew that, nice disguise.

 

[Mad Hattered]

Yes I knew that, nice disguise.

I will not be the one to get this thread closed because this is a HUGE deal in the big scheme of things to most people. If you want to continue to discuss the finer arts of bass fishing and the likes then lets take it to PM.

I'll try not to wake my parents up by typing too loud.

 

[mom2rtk]

Well they don't "know" we would do that....

Actually your secret is out. Edward Snowden just tweeted that the NSA forwarded that data to Disney before he left for snowy Russia.

 

[tecdavidt]

We are AP holders from Iowa. We own a vacation home 15 min. from Disney. We fly down Nov. 15 and return home on Nov. 20th. My husband booked FP+ for us at HS and lunch at Brown Derby. We are staying at the house not on property. We were invited to FP+ system last trip 4 weeks back but we didn't participate. We booked the hotel 6 days or 7 days before we checked in. We saw no reason to try to book rides in MK at that short notice.

We are also going Dec. 26th through Jan. 8 or 9th can't remember exact dates. We do check into Poly on Dec. 29th and check out on the 4th I think. He has our trip booked with FP+ and our ADRs.

This drive over to HS and try out the system was his idea. He printed off the Disney web site our reservations (ADR for lunch and FP+)

Just that the system let him book for that one day tells us they are letting AP holders book off property. I will report back on how it goes. Maybe it was a glitch. I do know the ADR is good. We also do not have Magic Bands so the FP+ is tied to our AP's. I really have no idea what is going to happen when we show up. Maybe they just read our cards?

Kathy

 

[jade1]

I'll try not to wake my parents up by typing too loud.

 

[jade1]

Actually your secret is out. Edward Snowden just tweeted that the NSA forwarded that data to Disney before he left for snowy Russia.

No doubt.

Actually as someone mentioned the new system will retrieve a lot of data on us.

I still think it will come down to dollars. More FP+ for cash, better accommodations, off season enticements, DVC purchases/addons etc.

Maybe even selecting from any tier.

 

[Sheilby]

I do like me some Star Tours....especially with the random scene aspect. I'm not even a huge Star Wars fan but I do find that ride quite enjoyable. Since we have "at least" 4 years before anything new opens at AK I think they should just bring in some Pandas. People like Pandas.

Yeah, I don't think Panda's are going to do it for me, I guess I'm really entitled and spoilded by my first world problems

Seriously though, I was last there in Sept 2010 and it never dawned on me back then when I saw all the construction walls that if I waited 3 years I still wouldn't see all of the new Fantasyland. I didn't even check before I booked my trip, just assumed it would all be done - silly me. I guess I'll have to plan on using my one future top tier FP+ on my future trip if I want to ride the Mine ride.

Actually your secret is out. Edward Snowden just tweeted that the NSA forwarded that data to Disney before he left for snowy Russia.

*snort*

No doubt.

Actually as someone mentioned the new system will retrieve a lot of data on us.

I still think it will come down to dollars. More FP+ for cash, better accommodations, off season enticements, DVC purchases/addons etc.

Maybe even selecting from any tier.

Didn't they already have all that info from me last time? I had the KTTW card and I charged everything back to my room. They knew everything I ate, what i spent my money on, which parks I visited which days and which rides I fastpassed. Don't they already think I'm wonderful?

 

[jade1]

Didn't they already have all that info from me last time? I had the KTTW card and I charged everything back to my room. They knew everything I ate, what i spent my money on, which parks I visited which days and which rides I fastpassed. Don't they already think I'm wonderful?

Prob, but we have never charged anything to our room-I think we finally will with MB. I also think MB may be able to see more than currently. Pretty sure they do think your wonderful though.

 

[MermaidMommy]

Saw an interesting article tonight on miceage.com, which began with the following quote from Disney's CFO:

“We have known for a really long time that getting our visitors to Walt Disney World to make decisions about where they spend their time before they leave home is a powerful driver of visits per guest. When they get into the Orlando market and their time isn’t yet planned, they can be subject to everything you see down there, which is a lot of in-city marketing for all the many products that people have put there to basically bleed off the feed that we fundamentally motivate. So if we can get people to plan their vacation before they leave home, we know that we get more time with them. We get a bigger share of their wallet. So that’s one thing for you guys to think about.

And the second thing is, what happens to purchases when they become much more convenient and you don’t spend time queuing up for a transaction, queuing up to get in the park and you actually have more time to enjoy the entertainment and subsequently spend more money doing things other than standing in line which, of course, you can’t spend any money while you’re doing that”.​ - Disney CFO Jay Rasulo, on the 2013 2nd Quarter Earnings Call

From the article:

"Fastpass+ ... was not driven by guest demand – it was driven by the desire to keep people on property. The belief is that if a guest has multiple ride reservations scheduled, that has value to the guest. From Disney’s perspective, they believe the guest won’t want to concede their reservations in favor of visiting another Orlando theme park....Fastpass+ is a ruse to sell guests on what’s already there. Every component of it is designed to deceive guests into staying on property."

http://micechat.com/47066-leveraging-next-gen/

 

[Planogirl]

Saw an interesting article tonight on miceage.com, which began with the following quote from Disney's CFO:

“We have known for a really long time that getting our visitors to Walt Disney World to make decisions about where they spend their time before they leave home is a powerful driver of visits per guest. When they get into the Orlando market and their time isn’t yet planned, they can be subject to everything you see down there, which is a lot of in-city marketing for all the many products that people have put there to basically bleed off the feed that we fundamentally motivate. So if we can get people to plan their vacation before they leave home, we know that we get more time with them. We get a bigger share of their wallet. So that’s one thing for you guys to think about.

And the second thing is, what happens to purchases when they become much more convenient and you don’t spend time queuing up for a transaction, queuing up to get in the park and you actually have more time to enjoy the entertainment and subsequently spend more money doing things other than standing in line which, of course, you can’t spend any money while you’re doing that”.​ - Disney CFO Jay Rasulo, on the 2013 2nd Quarter Earnings Call

From the article:

"Fastpass+ ... was not driven by guest demand – it was driven by the desire to keep people on property. The belief is that if a guest has multiple ride reservations scheduled, that has value to the guest. From Disney’s perspective, they believe the guest won’t want to concede their reservations in favor of visiting another Orlando theme park....Fastpass+ is a ruse to sell guests on what’s already there. Every component of it is designed to deceive guests into staying on property."

http://micechat.com/47066-leveraging-next-gen/

I know that companies do this but that doesn't keep it from feeling creepy in a way. It's so...controlling.

I've seen a few post that they plan to get their 3 FP+ late in the day which will free them up to visit other places the first part of the day. I don't see how having these is really any different than getting legacy fastpasses. Those were always available when you went to a Disney park too and I don't see why FP+ wouldn't be just as easy to ignore.

 

[lauradis]

Anybody remember the good old days before fp + fp -

Standing in line talking to strangers
giggling
laughing
watching honey mooner play kissy face


I kinda miss it, yes the lines where long sometimes,and people where sweaty.

When you where just happy to be at Disney.

Im not defending Disney,

I just thinking that maybe we have all gone over board with the planning and forgot why we love Disney to begin with.

Is it to ride every ride, never to wait in line with our love ones, not to skip all over fanasty land, but to run to the next ride, because we might miss it.

Maybe it just me ?

 

[Nechville]

Anybody remember the good old days before fp + fp -

Standing in line talking to strangers
giggling
laughing
watching honey mooner play kissy face

I kinda miss it, yes the lines where long sometimes,and people where sweaty.

When you where just happy to be at Disney.

Im not defending Disney,

I just thinking that maybe we have all gone over board with the planning and forgot why we love Disney to begin with.

Is it to ride every ride, never to wait in line with our love ones, not to skip all over fanasty land, but to run to the next ride, because we might miss it.

Maybe it just me ?

I sort of agree. Last year we hardly waited and with Fasspass or blazing all the way to the front because of no line, I felt my kids had missed the "story" for the ride and the queues that makes a Disney ride different. Having said that, I've waited two hours for Splash mountain and will miss the story to not do that again.
And we did it without smartphones to entertain us!

 

[wisblue]

I am SHOCKED that a company in the entertainment business would do things to steer its customers into spending more time and money with them.

That would be like a company giving all of its guests at its onsite hotels passes for unlimited rides without waiting in line at its associated theme parks. Or designing its biggest attendance draw so that guests have to buy tickets to BOTH of its parks to experience all of it.

 

[CarrieR]

They stated that their goal is to deceive guests? Ouch.

ETA: Oh, the columnist stated that, not the Disney exec. That makes me far less concerned.

 

[wisblue]

They stated that their goal is to deceive guests? Ouch.

No, that was the editorial opinion of the writer of the article. (I see you caught that now.)

 

[CarrieR]

Lol just caught that and edited my original post. Thanks! It's true, but would smack of.. I don't know what... if the company was straight-out saying it.

 

[surferdave]

I'm interested to see how the touring plan companies recommend using FP+ when everyone using the system is forced to schedule the lower tier attractions that simply aren't worth scheduling your day around.

I'm pretty sure that if I were making a touring plan around the tiered Epcot FP+ being offered right now, I would select my Tier 1 attraction with intent to use it and the other 2 simply because I had to, with no intent to try to be hanging around a certain part of the park or not get in another attraction line because of it. Judging by the CFO's comments that's exactly what they hope to accomplish with the new system.

When they get into the Orlando market and their time isnt yet planned, they can be subject to everything you see down there, which is a lot of in-city marketing for all the many products that people have put there to basically bleed off the feed that we fundamentally motivate.

Wait a minute; I'm the entitled one here?

 

[delilah]

I actually scheduled my FP+ at 60 days out. We are arriving on Saturday, Dec 20 and leaving Dec 24. I notice that the FP+ I scheduled for Epcot and Hollywood studios aren't showing up on my reservation page the way the ones for Magic Kingdom and Animal Kingdom are, so I can't print out a reminder of when my FP+ is scheduled. On Saturday (Nov 2), I was trying to get them to link, and I noticed the same thing for both the parks--you can schedule 1 FP+ from one group and 2 from another, which in general contains attractions, like Spaceship earth, which if you wait until later in the day (our flight arrives about 10 am, and so I don't think we are getting to the park much before 1, so, Spaceship earth will not be an issue). I also noticed that if I tried to schedule a FP just for Soaring, which is the only one we usually get a FP for, they randomly schedule two of the others. It seems like a way to waste FP for the attractions that in my opinion fall it the category "been there, done that, don't want to do again". I wonder what happens if you skip your first FP. Will they cancel the later ones like the airlines do if you miss the first leg of your flight?

 

[wisblue]

Lol just caught that and edited my original post. Thanks! It's true, but would smack of.. I don't know what... if the company was straight-out saying it.

Because I worked in large companies, and often had to work with marketing and advertising people, I know that "deceiving" people (or manipulating their perceptions) is often what it's all about. But, it obviously would be pretty strange and stupid to come right out and say that.