Bibbidi Bobbidi Boutique or 'Ho'tique

[MissyDVC]

We love the BBB!...there I said it. My daughter feels magical after coming out of there, she knows it is pretend and that she is smart, beautiful and wonderful without the costume and makeup but loves it nonetheless. To me, this all how YOU look at it and if you look at my 8 year old daughter skipping down the sidewalk after coming out off the BBB and think she look like a ho, then that's your problem, not the world's. Just don't say it out loud for me to hear ....this thread makes me sick.

 

[2Princes2Princesses]

I am not touching the whole "ho" thing, because...just....like MissyDVC said...it is just sick.

But as far as the esteem and attention thing...BBB is a special thing in the context of Disney World...the land of princesses, flying elephants, friendly pirates, and giant teacups. Wanting to dress up and get a little attention there, to me, is no different than a young woman wanting to dress up, makeup, hair, the whole shebang, and be the center of attention on her wedding day. A special occasion.

Does that say anything about the bride's self esteem? That she WANTS to be the center of attention? I dont think it does. Its all in the CONTEXT.

I also don't think a young girl, wanting to imagine she is Cinderella, is exploited or made to feel like looks are everything. Seriously, it is dress up. Whether they just wear the dress and a headband or do the ultimate BBB package....it is ALL dress up, imagination, and fun.

I think adults overthink things WAYYYY too much sometimes.

And making it into a sexual thing is just....leaves me speechless and a little queasy.

 

[crisi]

Okay, this thread is making me sad. I'm planning on taking DD to BBB on her third birthday. I know she'll love the attention and I really have no problem with any of the hairstyles, though she'll probably get the bun. I would take her on our next trip, but she'll still be 2 then.

I had no idea that people thought children with glitter in their hair and sparkly makeup on their faces looked like "ho's". I never even imagined. I may still do it, but the thought that someone could be looking at my little girl and thinking she looks slutty in her princess costume and glittery hair makes me want to cry.

People are always going to judge. Older Mommies get "wow, she was too old to have those kids." Younger Mommies get "wow, she was too young to have those kids." Interracial families get "oh, my.....that is just wrong" (and I say this as a member of an interracial family). Families with a lot of kids have "too many" those with only children have "not been fair not to give their child a brother or sister." Overweight families get accusations of child abuse. Mom's with tattoos get tagged as bad moms. Moms with girls in cheerleading and pagents are raising little bimbos. Moms with kids in math club are raising ill adpated geeks and are probably pushing their kids too har to excel.

Do what you want to do and don't worry about what other people are thinking. However, feel free to tell them how wrong they are about what they are SAYING.

 

[JackJack08]

I can't believe this thread is still open. To be discussing this, IMO, is just crazy. And if my husband EVER used the word "ho" to describe any little girl...there would be one very unhappy wife.

 

[Elliott]

1. I have devoted my life to the well being of young women and I see the end result of poor parenting choices on a daily basis.
2. A person does not have a mental illness because he/she feels strongly enough about an issue to voice his/her opinion.
3. Although you may not like the wording, myself and others who have posted (and likely many that have not for fear of your scathing replies accusing them of being pedophiles) feel it is appropriate.
4. No one is saying that any child is a prostitute, but if their appearance causes the thought that they look like one to enter another’s mind, doesn't that make even the staunchest supporter of the practice to reconsider their own opinion, even for a second? The inability to see another person’s perspective is sign of immaturity if not a personality disorder.
5. Even many of those who have posted in defense of the BBB have commented that they asked the FGMIT to "skip the makeup" or "tone it down a bit". Doesn't this indicate that some of the girls who receive their princess treatment do look inappropriate when they are finished?
6. If you are going to reply about the wording choices in some of the previous posts, don't waste your time because you are obviously missing the issue and incapable of seeing the big picture.

 

[crisi]

I can't believe this thread is still open. To be discussing this, IMO, is just crazy. And if my husband EVER used the word "ho" to describe any little girl...there would be one very unhappy wife.

Or one happy divorcee.

 

[DISNEYFOS]

4. No one is saying that any child is a prostitute, but if their appearance causes the thought that they look like one to enter another’s mind, doesn't that make even the staunchest supporter of the practice to reconsider their own opinion, even for a second? .

The fact that the thought even enters your mind about a baby, (yes these are babies) is disturbing.

 

[JackJack08]

Or one happy divorcee.

Exactly . It is just not appropriate, for a father especially, to be using that language, when referring to little girls. Creeps me out.

 

[crisi]

1. I have devoted my life to the well being of young women and I see the end result of poor parenting choices on a daily basis.
2. A person does not have a mental illness because he/she feels strongly enough about an issue to voice his/her opinion.
3. Although you may not like the wording, myself and others who have posted (and likely many that have not for fear of your scathing replies accusing them of being pedophiles) feel it is appropriate.
4. No one is saying that any child is a prostitute, but if their appearance causes the thought that they look like one to enter another’s mind, doesn't that make even the staunchest supporter of the practice to reconsider their own opinion, even for a second? The inability to see another person’s perspective is sign of immaturity if not a personality disorder.
5. Even many of those who have posted in defense of the BBB have commented that they asked the FGMIT to "skip the makeup" or "tone it down a bit". Doesn't this indicate that some of the girls who receive their princess treatment do look inappropriate when they are finished?
6. If you are going to reply about the wording choices in some of the previous posts, don't waste your time because you are obviously missing the issue and incapable of seeing the big picture.

Some people think its horrible that my son is a different race than I am. They think its irresponsible for me to have removed him from his culture. Other people think its simply wrong for races to mix - when we adopted, there was a 'gentlemen' who sent out letters to adoptive parents to this effect. Does that mean that I should reconsider my opinion? Or perhaps I have and said "you know what, that isn't an opinion that resonates with me. I think I can be a good parent despite not raising my children to the values SOMEONE ELSE has.

Its silly I'm arguing this, since I'm a "no Barbies, no Bratz, no Bibbity Bobbity Boutique" mother. But I also think we spend too much time as a culture critizing the parenting of other people. If we all had the same values, we wouldn't have SAHM/WOHM wars, we wouldn't have battles about prayer in schools. We don't all have the same values. As a person who has minority values - I think its really important for us to defend being able to raise our children as we see fit - unless its actually abusive. And if we've gotten to the point where glitter and makeup on a five year old is abusive, let me know so I can move to a country that allows personal freedoms.

 

[Octoberbabiesrus]

I guess something is wrong with me cause I fail to see how a hairstyle makes a lil girl into a "ho"

 

[YayDisney!]

1. I have devoted my life to the well being of young women and I see the end result of poor parenting choices on a daily basis.

Maybe you should devote your life to something else...young women do not benefit from your degrading comments and belittling remarks. In fact, I would venture to say that you are causing more harm to young women by labeling them and causing your own daughters to be judgmental instead of understanding and accepting of others, no matter their appearance. Maybe your attention should be on how boys and men appreciate, respect and treat young women before you go bashing the appearance of the girls. After all, it's not the clothes or the makeup that cause the ill treatment of men toward women. As an adult, you should know better than that.

Additionally, I have noticed that for the most part, parents of this board are intelligent enough to discard your ignorant judgments on their parenting skills, as your words really don't matter.

 

[Emma's Mom 03]

Maybe you should devote your life to something else...young women do not benefit from your degrading comments and belittling remarks. In fact, I would venture to say that you are causing more harm to young women by labeling them and causing your own daughters to be judgmental instead of understanding and accepting of others, no matter their appearance. Maybe your attention should be on how boys and men appreciate, respect and treat young women before you go bashing the appearance of the girls. After all, it's not the clothes or the makeup that cause the ill treatment of men toward women. As an adult, you should know better than that.

Additionally, I have noticed that for the most part, parents of this board are intelligent enough to discard your ignorant judgments on their parenting skills, as your words really don't matter.

Exactly.

 

[Elliott]

Why is it those who call for respect and freedom from judgement from others are so quick to deny respect and pass judgement on any one who has a differeing opinion. I was only suggesting the BBB may give too severe a look to some of it's clients and wondered if anyone else had an opinion on the subject and could discuss it as adults do but I can see that many of you are so narrow minded that you are unable to discuss an issue intelligently and must resort to personal attacks. So go back to discussing what kind of stroller to use and how to get to DTD from AK for the 8000th time.

 

[JackJack08]

Maybe you should devote your life to something else...young women do not benefit from your degrading comments and belittling remarks. In fact, I would venture to say that you are causing more harm to young women by labeling them and causing your own daughters to be judgmental instead of understanding and accepting of others, no matter their appearance. Maybe your attention should be on how boys and men appreciate, respect and treat young women before you go bashing the appearance of the girls. After all, it's not the clothes or the makeup that cause the ill treatment of men toward women. As an adult, you should know better than that.

Additionally, I have noticed that for the most part, parents of this board are intelligent enough to discard your ignorant judgments on their parenting skills, as your words really don't matter.

Well said!!!

 

[princessmom29]

1. I have devoted my life to the well being of young women and I see the end result of poor parenting choices on a daily basis.
2. A person does not have a mental illness because he/she feels strongly enough about an issue to voice his/her opinion.
3. Although you may not like the wording, myself and others who have posted (and likely many that have not for fear of your scathing replies accusing them of being pedophiles) feel it is appropriate.
4. No one is saying that any child is a prostitute, but if their appearance causes the thought that they look like one to enter another’s mind, doesn't that make even the staunchest supporter of the practice to reconsider their own opinion, even for a second? The inability to see another person’s perspective is sign of immaturity if not a personality disorder.
5. Even many of those who have posted in defense of the BBB have commented that they asked the FGMIT to "skip the makeup" or "tone it down a bit". Doesn't this indicate that some of the girls who receive their princess treatment do look inappropriate when they are finished?
6. If you are going to reply about the wording choices in some of the previous posts, don't waste your time because you are obviously missing the issue and incapable of seeing the big picture.

As to point 4. This is the same argument that is made in favor of practices like aparthide(sp?), burkas for muslim women, and segregation to name a few. Just because one person finds something objectionable does not mean that the rest of the world should. I am raising my daughter to be open minded and to think for myself. I would be appaled to hear her make that kind of judgement about someone from the way they choose to dress. I refuse to allow someone else's opinion to dictate how I parent my child, and that does not mean I have a personality disorder. As to point 6 the wording choices in previous posts are disturbing because they point ot a larger issue. Someone who can think such things about someone else's little girl and go so far as to voice them on a message board appears to have somme deep seeded issues that need to be addressed. By saying that putting makeup on a little girl is making them look like a prostitute you are saying that a woman's morality is tied to her appearence and that you can judge a person's morals based on their appearence. This is NOT what I want to teach my child. It is one step away form judging someone based on gender or skin color.

 

[JackJack08]

Why is it those who call for respect and freedom from judgement from others are so quick to deny respect and pass judgement on any one who has a differeing opinion. I was only suggesting the BBB may give too severe a look to some of it's clients and wondered if anyone else had an opinion on the subject and could discuss it as adults do but I can see that many of you are so narrow minded that you are unable to discuss an issue intelligently and must resort to personal attacks. So go back to discussing what kind of stroller to use and how to get to DTD from AK for the 8000th time.

If you wanted to "respectfully" discuss the topic, maybe you should have left the word "ho" out of the title. There is nothing "respectful", about that word. Using words like that, you were looking for a reaction...and got it. Congratulations. Now on to my Animal Kingdom discussion board..........

 

[princessmom29]

Why is it those who call for respect and freedom from judgement from others are so quick to deny respect and pass judgement on any one who has a differeing opinion. I was only suggesting the BBB may give too severe a look to some of it's clients and wondered if anyone else had an opinion on the subject and could discuss it as adults do but I can see that many of you are so narrow minded that you are unable to discuss an issue intelligently and must resort to personal attacks. So go back to discussing what kind of stroller to use and how to get to DTD from AK for the 8000th time.

I went back and re read your first post thinking mabye I had read it wrong. I didn't. Wether you realize it or not it reads like you are passimg judgement on the children and parents who choose to do BBB. Mabye that was really not you intention, but that is how it is conveyed, at least to me.

 

[Belle4mygrl]

Why is it those who call for respect and freedom from judgement from others are so quick to deny respect and pass judgement on any one who has a differeing opinion. I was only suggesting the BBB may give too severe a look to some of it's clients and wondered if anyone else had an opinion on the subject and could discuss it as adults do but I can see that many of you are so narrow minded that you are unable to discuss an issue intelligently and must resort to personal attacks. So go back to discussing what kind of stroller to use and how to get to DTD from AK for the 8000th time.

I agree with you to a point. I don't like the extensions much to mature for what I want for my daughter and a look I don't prefer. I don't like the Jasmine outfit, much to revealing. But what you have to understand, you can't be a bull in a china cabinet. You horrified me to think people were calling my baby a bad name reserved for those who are in that judgement. If you want to discuss intelligently then I suggest you don't resort to personal attacks by calling it the ** tique. That in itself, suggests the little girls come out like that.

 

[livie1205]

maybe you should not be in charge of young girls at all if this is your way of thinking...my dd3 will be getting the fake hair...why? because she does not have enough hair to put in a bun (just enough for a very small pony tail) and she wants princess hair so she will get princess hair....she will be jasmine also why? that is her fav princess and the bigger reason is all the big princess dressy are itchey and she has lets just say a little problem with the feel of things and that would make her wig out...so jasmine it is.Will she look like a ho? NO!! she is THREE years old!!! and that is a crazy thing to say!

 

[YayDisney!]

Why is it those who call for respect and freedom from judgement from others are so quick to deny respect and pass judgement on any one who has a differeing opinion. I was only suggesting the BBB may give too severe a look to some of it's clients and wondered if anyone else had an opinion on the subject and could discuss it as adults do but I can see that many of you are so narrow minded that you are unable to discuss an issue intelligently and must resort to personal attacks. So go back to discussing what kind of stroller to use and how to get to DTD from AK for the 8000th time.

Differing opinions...fine, encouraged and even interesting to discuss. Disrespect, name calling...not fine, not warranted, not intelligent and certainly not adult. There really can be civil discussions and differing opinions conveyed through respectful conversations.

The fact is, BBB exists because some families and children enjoy it, as is. For those that do not enjoy it or do not agree with it, simply do not go. But save your criticisms of those that choose different. I have yet to see an adult ridiculing a family for NOT going to BBB and calling THEIR children anything close to the words you've reduced to referring to the children who have gone to BBB.