Behaviours That Should Possibly Be Banned?

[maxiesmom]

Note you haven't said they pushed in front of you just that the child was not up on the shoulders. They may have very well been there first (hence you are behind them).
However I completely agree that they should be waiting on the shoulders already if they are going up there so people know when deciding where to stand

I did say they came after me, if you read my whole post. Well apparently you did read my whole post but even after quoting it missed the "I was there first" part.

 

[CT Disney]

I agree. I'm short as well. I remember a few years back when we were in DLR there was no standing for the fireworks. At least not when we were there. CMs were telling everyone to sit down. I remember because there was a couple that refused to sit down and pretended they couldn't hear the CMs and everyone else yelling at them to sit down. I guess sitting isn't the norm though?

This actually surprises me. I know quite a few older folks who would find it difficult to sit on the hard ground for an extended period of time. Even some younger people too (bad backs, knees, etc.). Sometimes just getting down on the ground in a sitting or kneeling position is tough for some.

 

[22Tink]

This actually surprises me. I know quite a few older folks who would find it difficult to sit on the hard ground for an extended period of time. Even some younger people too (bad backs, knees, etc.). Sometimes just getting down on the ground in a sitting or kneeling position is tough for some.

Ya I was surprised, too. I was expecting them to ask everyone to stand when the fireworks started but it was the opposite!

 

[Imaginique]

I guess because I'm tall I've never thought the kid on shoulders thing to be a problem. We did have our kid on shoulder for the MSEP, but we were in the back near Frontierland. (A horrible spot since it was close to the bottleneck going to and from Frontierland into Liberty Square. I have never been more frightened of being trampled in my life! My fault for choosing that spot; it was perfect for FoF but never again for MSEP!)

 

[mummabear]

I did say they came after me, if you read my whole post. Well apparently you did read my whole post but even after quoting it missed the "I was there first" part.

Funny even when you have quoted me you haven't acknowledged that I did say "you said you arrived first and yet you are behind them". I questioned if they had pushed in?
Otherwise, no they were there first hence the reason they are in front of.
Not putting their child up until the music starts does not mean they arrived after you. The fact that they are in front of you tells me that a) they arrived before you or b) the pushed in front of you-which is a separate issue from the child being on their shoulders (and pushing in is very rude)

 

[mummabear]

This actually surprises me. I know quite a few older folks who would find it difficult to sit on the hard ground for an extended period of time. Even some younger people too (bad backs, knees, etc.). Sometimes just getting down on the ground in a sitting or kneeling position is tough for some

The nicest Wishes I have watched everyone was sitting in the hub area (I don't know about further back), it was relaxed, everyone has a great view.
Sadly normally someone "has to" stand for some reason or another and it starts a wave

 

[mummabear]

This actually surprises me. I know quite a few older folks who would find it difficult to sit on the hard ground for an extended period of time. Even some younger people too (bad backs, knees, etc.). Sometimes just getting down on the ground in a sitting or kneeling position is tough for some.

I guess it is a lose lose though as there would be just as many people who have trouble standing for long periods of time

 

[Mkrop]

Funny even when you have quoted me you haven't acknowledged that I did say "you said you arrived first and yet you are behind them". I questioned if they had pushed in?
Otherwise, no they were there first hence the reason they are in front of.
Not putting their child up until the music starts does not mean they arrived after you. The fact that they are in front of you tells me that a) they arrived before you or b) the pushed in front of you-which is a separate issue from the child being on their shoulders (and pushing in is very rude)

When people are still filling in an area there is lots of space for someone to stand in front of us and arrive after. We stood in the hub area one time to the left and was just hanging out talking to a nice family we had just met. There was plenty of room in front of us, in fact parts of it were kept open until the last minute to help with people walking through. Family arrived after us, stood in front of us, which is fine the area was open and up went the kid as soon as the show started. Well now everyone is packed in like sardines. The nice couple we were talking to allowed me and my youngest 10 at the time to stand in front of them, my other son and DH were fine.

 

[mummabear]

When people are still filling in an area there is lots of space for someone to stand in front of us and arrive after. We stood in the hub area one time to the left and was just hanging out talking to a nice family we had just met. There was plenty of room in front of us

If you don't stake your claim on a space then you cant be upset about what happens in it.
You could have been further up but you chose to spend time getting to know people, lovely thing to do but its like waiting for a parade but not sitting in your spot on the curb.
Either way the person should have had their child on their shoulders before the
music started.

in fact parts of it were kept open until the last minute to help with people walking through

Its my experience that those pathways remain as pathways for people not wishing to watch wishes and emergencies.

 

[Hey Hey]

@Hey Hey It comes down to the conundrum in both your examples where you are complaining that someone is putting their viewing experience above yours while being willing to put your viewing experience above theirs.
Its that simple.

First of all. I didn't say the kids were blocking my viewing experience in the theatre. I said they were blocking **your view** and asked what you would do. But you never did answer my question, so go ahead, think about what it would be like if you were sitting in the theatre and couldn't see because of the kids standing on the seat. What would you do? How would you feel? I guess from your view point the kids in from should be able to see the show even if you can't, right?

And its not that simple. If I choose my spot behind you because I will be able to see the fireworks show and then when it starts you put your kids on your shoulder, now I can't see, that's not very respectful.

If you plan to put your kids on your shoulder you can pick a spot a head of time where you know that your child on your shoulder or your husband's shoulder are not blocking anyones view. Now your child will be able to see and other people will be able to see. Or hold the child in front of you when the show starts so that they are not blocking anyone's view. Now that's simple. No conundrum.

 

[Kobey]

No way am I putting my kid on my shoulders ahead of time. American kids are heavy!

 

[Hey Hey]

I agree. I'm short as well. I remember a few years back when we were in DLR there was no standing for the fireworks. At least not when we were there. CMs were telling everyone to sit down. I remember because there was a couple that refused to sit down and pretended they couldn't hear the CMs and everyone else yelling at them to sit down. I guess sitting isn't the norm though?

Not at the Magic Kingdom. Although it is funny you should mention that. We were at Epcot one year getting ready to watch Illuminations. In the area we were the majority of the people got there earlier and were sitting down. Of course people that were sitting down had to make space for people to walk through across because the viewing area was close to a shop. Then just as Illumination was starting a bunch of people that had been walking by earlier just placed themselves in between the people sitting down but didn't sit down. Then everyone in unison told them to sit down. Well, I do not remember that working very well so everyone behind them had to stand up.

A possible solution to these issues, and I know people are going to disagree, but here I go, is to have different zones. In front of the castle and areas to the side and maybe back just to the beginning of the end of main street before the shops end closest to the castle have that as a sit down zone. Then along the main street going back towards the entrance have it setup as a stand up zone. I realize that other people watch the fireworks from other parts of the park and maybe something similar can be set-up. But I know that would require extra effort on Disney's part, would require co-operation from everyone, and space would be lost when people have to sit.

Having zones in this way may make it easier for everyone to see.

Edit - And by the way, they can have a 5 min warning or something appropriate like that to let people know that they can sit down.

 

[goofyernmost]

My solution is simple. I don't particularly care for fireworks or parades so I go ride the rides while you folks are trying to look around everybody. I keep from growing ulcers that way.

 

[Hey Hey]

Fireworks and parades are for standing only. I won't feel one once of regret standing in front of someone who is too lazy to stand up like an adult and decides to sit. It's no wonder 1/3 of the people at WDW these days are riding around in hover-rounds.

Most of the action is up in the air. Maybe if people would sit down, it would make it easier to see the show. And don't confuse sitting down with laziness, it's actually harder on the body to sit down on the ground especially for older people then it is to stand.

 

[Hey Hey]

My solution is simple. I don't particularly care for fireworks or parades so I go ride the rides while you folks are trying to look around everybody. I keep from growing ulcers that way.

That's not a bad idea

 

[YawningDodo]

My solution is simple. I don't particularly care for fireworks or parades so I go ride the rides while you folks are trying to look around everybody. I keep from growing ulcers that way.

Yeppp. And some of the most magical fireworks moments we've had were when we were in Frontierland and happened to come out of a ride just as the show started. Believe it or not, you can see the fireworks show from anywhere in the park -- all you'll miss are the little ones at the base of the castle, and after doing it once I decided those little castle fireworks really weren't worth being packed in like a sardine with people who kept pushing in front of me, hitting my ankles with strollers, etc.

 

[Hey Hey]

The nicest Wishes I have watched everyone was sitting in the hub area (I don't know about further back), it was relaxed, everyone has a great view.
Sadly normally someone "has to" stand for some reason or another and it starts a wave

I agree and even let parents with small children be in the hub area so that they can sit and don't have to put their kids on their shoulders. That way others can enjoy the show.

But for this to work there needs to be some coordination on Disney's part and some acceptance by others that they may not get as close to the castle as they want unless they are willing to sit. And to make it easier on peoples' backs and knees, they wouldn't have to sit until a few minutes before the show starts.

Now, if we can just convince Disney that this could be a magical experience

 

[ojeight]

I wouldn't mind if they banned kids altogether.

 

[piccolopat]

You know, now that I think about it, I'm probably totally wrong on the whole shoulder thing. I think Disney has made their viewpoint pretty clear via the Wilderness Lodge. So, this is how my family is going to watch the next parade. We are going to start practicing tomorrow:

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Sorry...just some late night levity

If every family did this there would be plenty of room curbside!

 

[luvmy2babies]

Cast members actually do walk the streets before parades at DL and tell people on the curb that they must sit during the parade.

I see no reason they couldn't add a comment about kids on shoulders.

That’s lovely. If this were in place at WDW, I would not have had to suffer through holding my son on my hip during MSEP when I thought I had a great spot behind people sitting on the curb. They stood just as the parade started. It was hot, we were almost shoulder to shoulder and I barely made it and wouldn’t have if not for the fan on my lanyard and a bottle of water.

I tried to stay off to the side and let people go into the street around me so I wouldn’t have to hold him during Wishes; but was forced to the middle. So yes, he ended up on my shoulders once we were there. It has a different feel because of how his weight is distributed. Of course being I’m 5’5, and his shoulders at my head, we were probably just above average height for a guy.

Thankfully the people behind me were okay; but this definitely was not my first choice of action.