BCV disappointment in room and smoking room

[ncligs]

Originally posted by Dean
What won’t hold water is a legal argument that it was smoking when someone bought and that means that DVC can’t change it as there is no legal mention of the smoking arrangements in the POS. What one asked the guide and what he/she answered is irrelevant.

I would have great issues with one smoking in a nonsmoking room and could easily support a fine with strict enforcement because one would be hurting many other people by doing so.

Dean,
Thanks for agreeing with me about the fine(credit card) and our contract with DVD that can be changed to whatever benifits the members.

 

[GAIL HAYDEN]

But I doubt that any smoker would sell, if all he or she has to do is walk outside and light up.

I would not be too sure of that. Also, as I replied before, someone with the nose of a bloodhound would surely find this offensive.
BTW, not all bars in NY are non smoking. The casinos are not non smoking, and there are restaurants in NY with smoking sections still.
Perhaps it has increased business, I would not know, however, when I do go to a bar or nightclub, you can bet if it were non smoking I would leave.

As to it not being in the contract, you are totally correct, however, I doubt that would stop people from raising a huge fuss. Remember how one little PITA squeeky wheel got the trees hacked? It is not in the contract that you will have an unobstructed view. There are a lot of things that are not in the contract, ie: getting a unit before 4pm. However, the precident for allowing smoking has been set, I doubt Disney would shoot themselves in the foot by stopping it.

I find it very amusing that three of the states that have banned smoking are the ones with the some of the WORST pollution in the US. Band aid approach to a huge problem.

 

[GAIL HAYDEN]

I would have great issues with one smoking in a nonsmoking room and could easily support a fine with strict enforcement because one would be hurting many other people by doing so.

With that, I totally agree. BUT>>>>>what happens when a CM tells you it is ok and provides ashtrays?

I also support a fine for stuff that grows legs and walks.

Both have zero chance of enforcement cause Disney will not p*ss off a member.

 

[CaptainMidnight]

when I do go to a bar or nightclub, you can bet if it were non smoking I would leave.

But I thought you said you were quitting after the holidays? I hope your successful, for your own health. Hopefully this will turn into a moot issue for you. I quite. It can be done.

But your stance of not wanting to smoke in a non-smoking DVC room is greatly appreciated. Nicely done.

 

[Dean]

Originally posted by GAIL HAYDEN
what happens when a CM tells you it is ok and provides ashtrays?

Then you have at least 2 people in the wrong.

 

[ncligs]

Originally posted by GAIL HAYDEN

Band aid approach to a huge problem.

Gail is this your way of admitting.......smoking is offensive,filthy,cancerous,expensive,etc?? It may be a band aid approach, but at least they(Calf,N.Y. FL) are starting to stick up for non-smokers rights.I hope after you kick the habit , you will see how offensive(2nd hand smoke) it is to non-smokers.

 

[CaptainMidnight]

what happens when a CM tells you it is ok and provides ashtrays?

Is this one of those trick questions my mom used to tell me about, something like when your friends tell you to jump off a bridge, should you? You had the best answer earlier, it's not right to smoke in a non-smoking room.

 

[GAIL HAYDEN]

Gail is this your way of admitting.......smoking is offensive,filthy,cancerous,expensive,etc?? It may be a band aid approach, but at least they(Calf,N.Y. FL) are starting to stick up for non-smokers rights.I hope after you kick the habit , you will se how offensive(2nd hand smoke) it is to non-smokers.

I have always admitted to the above, but, I started smoking long before any warnings were issued. It is, indeed, an addiction.

I find smoke offensive very often, perhaps that is why I am going to attempt to quit. Remember, I am the one that will not sit in a smoking section in a restaurant, I hate smoke around my food.

Personally, I would like the above mentioned states to start sticking up for human rights and clean up the air. Smoking is a minute problem compared to the other toxins hitting the air constantly. I live on a mountain in a rural section of CT. the air is lovely.
When I go into NY City, I find the air offensive. I smoke for pete's sake and with my alleged lack of sense of smell, I find the air in that city horrible. I find sucking down diesel fumes on the highway nauseating.
I truly feel that if the public were to put up half the uproar about air that the non smokers do, then perhaps we would see a difference. IMHO, they select smokers to gang up on to give the stupid American public a sense that something is being done, when in reality most of the problems with asthma etc. come from the very rotten air you breath on any given day. For the record, I have NO problem with the banning of smoking in the work place and the other logical places they have banned smoking. I don't enjoy sitting in a cloud of smoke (except at the casino ). I will probably find the smell of smoke offensive (as I do to some degree now), but, I sincerely hope that quitting will not make me deaf,blind, or insensative to the rights of others.

 

[GAIL HAYDEN]

But I thought you said you were quitting after the holidays

That is my goal, however, Dee smokes cigars.

 

[dlvanslyke]

We were recently assigned a smoking room at VWL after requesting a non-smoking room. We arrived after midnight and there were only 2 rooms left, both smoking. We ended up being given a non-smoking room in Wilderness Lodge for the night and moved to VWL the next day.

 

[CaptainMidnight]

....will not make me deaf,blind, or insensative to the rights of others.

Good line. Lets also hope that those participating in smoking activities don't have the same reactions toward non-smokers and the impact of second hand smoke, smells and the destruction and unusability of DVC accomodations non-smokers may be asked to tollerate.

My children and I would not be able to stay in a smoking room. It seems Disney needs to develop a better approach toward managing smoking and non-smoking accomodations, that go beyond just room preferences.

 

[GAIL HAYDEN]

My children and I would not be able to stay in a smoking room. It seems Disney needs to develop a better approach toward managing smoking and non-smoking accomodations, that go beyond just room preferences.

Taking the poll on this board into condiseration, it appears that that is not a huge issue. And.......in the grand scheme of things, there are very few smoking units as compared to non smoking.
I think DVC does a great job making sure that non smokers get the non smoking units.

 

[CaptainMidnight]

Originally posted by GAIL HAYDEN
Taking the poll on this board into condiseration, it appears that that is not a huge issue....

Well, when I last checked, 8 people have had problems, 39 haven't, looks like about 18% of the people responding have had a problem and not gotten there non-smoking accomodation as requested at least once. What's that, about 1 out of 5 respondants so far indicating they've had a problem. If we go by the poll you cited

Ruining one vacation would be too much for me, I don't get that many times away with my family, and a heavily infested smoking room would be intollerable for breathing, I wouldn't be able to sleep, and my children's health would be at risk.

The reservation system should not take non-smoking only reservations when there are not non-smoking rooms available. When I check into the Westin, they can tell me whether my non-smoking needs will be accomodated. Why not the organization to whom I've invested a great deal more $$$.

The original poster indicated they had a problem, one that I would not want repeated for our vacation.

 

[eva]

I am a nonsmoker and would hate it if I was given a smoking room. You can't get the smell out no matter what you do. With that being said, I do not believe that DVC should go to all nonsmoking. The number of units that are smoking is very low so the chances of getting one is not too great. I know that we run the risk. But I also feel that smokers have the right to smoke in their own rooms, as long as it is a designated smoking room. The states that were mentioned before allow smoking in hotel rooms that are desinated as smoking. Maine and California are relly big on no smoking rules. But they still let people smoke in hotel rooms. They do have warnings in the nonsmoking rooms that state that if you smoke in a nonsmoking room you will have to pay to have the room cleaned, I think that this is fair. I have no idea if DVC could implement a similar rule and stick to it. They certainly don't charge people for damage to the room.

 

[GAIL HAYDEN]

When I check into the Westin, they can tell me whether my non-smoking needs will be accomodated. Why not the organization to whom I've invested a great deal more $$$.

Is the Westin a time share or a hotel? I would expect that in a hotel, however, I feel it would be impossible to do in a timeshare, which is what DVC is. And, as stated too many times to count, a request is just that, a request, not a guarantee.

 

[doubletrouble_vb]

This thread has turned into the usual debate about interactions between smokers and non-smokers etc.

With regard to the oft repeated suggestion that DVC ought to be able to tell you... Maybe at the 11-month window they could but otherwise there is a lot of change going on with people doing reservations day by day, being on waitlists while holding room inventory in another location. This is a far cry from simply managing a single hotels room inventory.

In the case of smoky non-smoking rooms Disney should give the guest the option of having a portable Ionizer left in the room after the room has been Ionized. The guest would need to understand that they may be liable for damage if it is broken by negligience or stolen.

In the case of smoking rooms perhaps an ionizer could be installed permanently.

As to the question of where you can get them...anyone can order a portable ionizer from the sharper image.

I'm a little surprised Disney didn't offer to let the non-smokers move as soon as possible...unless this was Thanksgiving.

 

[d-r]

I hope this doesn't sound ugly, because I am not trying to sound ugly, and for what its worth I don't smoke and I know that smoking rooms can stink. But here's the thing. Second hand smoke in a restaurant or in a work place or outside the door occurs when someone is smoking right then. There is smoke hanging there in the air. You actually breath in some smoke in that situation. It is more than a stink. There is smoke there. If you are in a smoking room and someone smoked there the day before or whenever, that isn't second hand smoke. There isn't smoke hanging there in the air. You aren't breathing in any smoke. You are smelling a stink. That can be unpleasant and nasty and an annoying, but it is not the same as breathing in second hand smoke, you are smelling a nasty stale smoke smell. You can't ruffle up the blankets and make smoke pop out. It is a yucky smell.

Really, wouldn't it be better to let smokers smoke in smoking rooms than to smoke outside the door where everyone else can have to walk through their second hand smoke and actually breath the smoke in to their lungs, wouldn't it? Yeah, the smoking rooms may stink, but at least no non-smokers are sucking in that smoke, even if some poor unfortunate soul has to eventually smell the stinky smell. Or is the plan to first get rid of the smoking rooms and then when people are smoking outside because they can't smoke in the room and that gets annoying to try to get rid of the smoking outside at that point.

Am I the only one that sees a difference between actually breathing in smoke rather than smelling a stinky stale smoke smell where somone smoked before? While the second may be annoying and nasty for a while it isn't like you are actually breathing in smoke. I'm sure that there are people who are very sensitive to breathing in smoke from asthma or allergies or breathing problems or whatever, and I'm even sure that there are people who just smelling smoke will make them feel naseated or whatever because it is a sickening smell to them.

DR

 

[Johnnie Fedora]

Originally posted by GAIL HAYDEN
IMHO, they select smokers to gang up on to give the stupid American public a sense that something is being done, when in reality most of the problems with asthma etc. come from the very rotten air you breath on any given day.

I think this would include those dreadful Disney buses. A waft of cigarette smoke can't compare to the fumes from one of them.

Some of the "smoking in a non-smoking room" problem comes from smokers who can't even step outside on the balcony to have a cig w/o the fear that some "do-gooder" will tattle-tale on them. Therefore they do something they shouldn't, and smoke in the room. Cigarette smoke is only one irratant for asthmatics and those with allergies. Allowing smokers to smoke outside should be OK especially when nearby balconies are not being unused by others. Most of the time when I've used the balcony, there's no one else within "waft range".

Smokers should not smoke in non-smoking rooms, but they should be allowed to smoke on the balcony especially if nearby balconies are not being used and doors are closed.

For most, cig smoke is an unpleasent odor, and not a life threatening situation, and life is filled with unpleasant odors.

non-smoker---Johnnie

 

[RobDoc]

Please feel free to continue any discussion of the merits/concerns about smoking on the Debate Board- as that is NOT a DVC topic.

This thread is not about smoking as an issue. Further smoking discussion will be removed, as it is off-topic for this board.

Just as a reminder- the original poster asked:
"What do other members do when they get caught in a smoking room after requesting a non smoking room?"


Thanks!

 

[colleen costello]

We are an allergy/asthma family, and could no more stay in a smoking room than an asbestos room. When we make our reservations I tell them that. If they couldn't honor the no-smoking room reservation, I would expect a non-smoking room at another resort. I would rather be in a nonsmoking room at another resort than a smoking room at my first-choice resort. This is why I always say "medical reasons" when requesting non-smoking. I feel this helps me SHOULD there be a problem. It says to them that this guest has some condition which a smoke-smelling room will aggravate (this could be allergies, asthma, migraines, etc). Then I would politely insist on a non-smoking room SOMEWHERE!