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[Axel]

Wait, so they're basically letting terrorists walk free? If so, I've got a problem with that.

They won't be walking free. They'll be housed somewhere. Most likely on American soil (But hey, you know what? They've been on "American Soil" all along- Gitmo is American owned and operated). They'll probably all go to maximum security prisons where people like gang leaders and serial killers and homegrown terrorists go.

Y'know, I heard that these people didn't even get a fair trial. Just because some of those people may be terrorists, does not mean all of them are.

And there's likliehood that the prisoners will go back to their own countries. There's a Canadian born terrorist nammed Khadr who has yet to be tried in the US where he comitted the crime, and the Canadian government just doesn't want him back. They're trying to delay dealing with his case in their own system.. which they probably will have to eventually. The Conservatives have been criticised for a quite a long time for not bringin him back and leaving him in GITMO. And I'm not sure what I'm talking about, but the article said that the man should be coming back to Canada envetually.

Two points.

You are correct when you say most of them didn't get a fair trial. Many (the majority, actually) have never even been charged with a crime, yet we are holding them and torturing them.

And you are also correct about where they might go. There is a strong possiblity that some prisoners that are either not a threat at all, are minor threats, or will be justly dealt with in their own countries will return to where they came from.

I'm all for this. Gitmo has been a center of controversy and is nothing more than an excuse to torture people. It needed to be closed and I applaud President Obama for doing so.

 

[imabrat]

They won't be walking free. They'll be housed somewhere. Most likely on American soil (But hey, you know what? They've been on "American Soil" all along- Gitmo is American owned and operated). They'll probably all go to maximum security prisons where people like gang leaders and serial killers and homegrown terrorists go.



Two points.

You are correct when you say most of them didn't get a fair trial. Many (the majority, actually) have never even been charged with a crime, yet we are holding them and torturing them.

And you are also correct about where they might go. There is a strong possiblity that some prisoners that are either not a threat at all, are minor threats, or will be justly dealt with in their own countries will return to where they came from.

I'm all for this. Gitmo has been a center of controversy and is nothing more than an excuse to torture people. It needed to be closed and I applaud President Obama for doing so.

Thanks for clearing that up Patty! I'm not exactly thrilled with the idea of them coming to the mainland, but what can you do? As long as they're locked up in a MAXIMUM, MAXIMUM, MAXIMUM security prison far away from a residential area, I'm fine with it.

You're bolded statement is something that worries. Maybe I'm just paranoid, but I'd worry that those released would try to put revenge on the US in the form of terrorism because they were tortured unfairly.

 

[♥Ariel♥]

mmk. i am against this. so they are being held there for a reason. you let them go, and even for hours that they dont have as high security they will break free. they are criminals, there is a reason they are in prison, because they do not abide by the laws. and you know the first thing they will do is come to america! yes they are being torutured. they deserve it, they ought to know 1/3 of what they do the the rest of the world! they are terriost, the first thing they will do is high tail it out and target the U.S.

 

[Tinkerbell424]

mmk. i am against this. so they are being held there for a reason. you let them go, and even for hours that they dont have as high security they will break free. they are criminals, there is a reason they are in prison, because they do not abide by the laws. and you know the first thing they will do is come to america! yes they are being torutured. they deserve it, they ought to know 1/3 of what they do the the rest of the world! they are terriost, the first thing they will do is high tail it out and target the U.S.

There are a TON of prisons and jails in the U.S.A, and those criminals have just a high chance of breaking out as one of these guys may. Criminals in prisons and jails aren't safe to be around either. But IMO, NOBODY deserves cruel and unusual punishment. G.B is American territory, I'm glad he's ending it. I agree with Sonya though, they shouldnt be anywhere near a residential area.

Honestly, I dont think we should worry about G.B prisoners attacking us. I'd be more worried about China, N/S Korea, Iraq, or Russia.

 

[chisnpeke]

There are a TON of prisons and jails in the U.S.A, and those criminals have just a high chance of breaking out as one of these guys may. Criminals in prisons and jails aren't safe to be around either. But IMO, NOBODY deserves cruel and unusual punishment. G.B is American territory, I'm glad he's ending it. I agree with Sonya though, they shouldnt be anywhere near a residential area.

Honestly, I dont think we should worry about G.B prisoners attacking us. I'd be more worried about China, N/S Korea, Iraq, or Russia.

You think one of those countries are going to attack us? Maybe North Korea. Iraq doesn't have enough government to attack us. I don't think Russia or China or South Korea are going to either.

 

[♥Ariel♥]

i am saying this and then getting out of this disscussion. they have enough reason to attack us just because we put them in this detention camp. they may have been innocent or not. but becasue they were throught into this system they are angered at that so that right there they will use to attack the US. people dont understand is that many countrys are looking for slip-ups in our government and stuff to attack us, for the smallest reason. out of this discussion..now.

 

[PurpleDucky]

it is very good that he is closing gitmo. yes they do hold terrorists there but they torture them and that goes WAYYY against the constitution

If it's in Cuba why does it matter if it goes against our constitution?
Is it because we put them there?

 

[Tinkerbell424]

You think one of those countries are going to attack us? Maybe North Korea. Iraq doesn't have enough government to attack us. I don't think Russia or China or South Korea are going to either.

No, but I would be more worried about them attempting to do that then the prisoners coming out of G.B and attacking the U.S.

 

[chisnpeke]

No, but I would be more worried about them attempting to do that then the prisoners coming out of G.B and attacking the U.S.

Ohh ok. Gotcha.

 

[chisnpeke]

i am saying this and then getting out of this disscussion. they have enough reason to attack us just because we put them in this detention camp. they may have been innocent or not. but becasue they were throught into this system they are angered at that so that right there they will use to attack the US. people dont understand is that many countrys are looking for slip-ups in our government and stuff to attack us, for the smallest reason. out of this discussion..now.

The prison wouldn't set them off. They hate everything about the United States. That is why they want to attack us. They hate everything that this country stands for.

They might use the prison as an "excuse" but that is not why they would want to attack us.

 

[imabrat]

If it's in Cuba why does it matter if it goes against our constitution?
Is it because we put them there?

I think the area Gitmo is in is technically American soil.

 

[EyoreFANS12]

WOW!
That is so good!
I cant believe he is getting to work so fast!

maybe a little too fast..

 

[chisnpeke]

I think the area Gitmo is in is technically American soil.

Yes it is. We own it.

 

[Axel]

If it's in Cuba why does it matter if it goes against our constitution?
Is it because we put them there?

Guantanamo Bay is a US foreign military base. It is considered US soil, like an embassy. So, if an inmate were to have a baby (which isn't likely...at all) that child would be an american citizen.

And like I said before, to everybody saying that the first thing these prisoners would do is attack the US, think about this: Most of them haven't been charged with a crime. That means the US doesn't have enough proof that they did something to charge them, so they may not even be terrorists at all. Most of those guys are just "suspected" of doing something. In fact, only one of the prisoners there is an "enemy combatant". One. Just one. That's it.

And as for torture, I don't think that's right in any circumstance. Simulating drowning is just plain wrong.

 

[PurpleDucky]

Okay, thanks Patti and Sonya

 

[imabrat]

Guantanamo Bay is a US foreign military base. It is considered US soil, like an embassy. So, if an inmate were to have a baby (which isn't likely...at all) that child would be an american citizen.

And like I said before, to everybody saying that the first thing these prisoners would do is attack the US, think about this: Most of them haven't been charged with a crime. That means the US doesn't have enough proof that they did something to charge them, so they may not even be terrorists at all. Most of those guys are just "suspected" of doing something. In fact, only one of the prisoners there is an "enemy combatant". One. Just one. That's it.

And as for torture, I don't think that's right in any circumstance. Simulating drowning is just plain wrong.

IDK if you were referencing me, but that's not what I meant at all. Say those who don't have enough evidence against them to convict them are released, wouldn't you be afraid of revenge?

I mean, I know if I was captured, tortured, and held without proper evidence against me and considered a criminal, I'd be angry when I got released. I wouldn't commit a terrorist attack, but I'd have my lawyer all over it like white on rice.

I'm just afraid those who are released, if there are any, are going to backlash at the US with a major attack.

 

[metsluva57]

ITA.

I am so against this being closed. We don't need terrorists being moved to our home soil.

Bad, bad, idea.

Very bad idea.

 

[Babyjustrun]

IDK if you were referencing me, but that's not what I meant at all. Say those who don't have enough evidence against them to convict them are released, wouldn't you be afraid of revenge?

I mean, I know if I was captured, tortured, and held without proper evidence against me and considered a criminal, I'd be angry when I got released. I wouldn't commit a terrorist attack, but I'd have my lawyer all over it like white on rice.

I'm just afraid those who are released, if there are any, are going to backlash at the US with a major attack.

Some people have the capacity to forgive. Many people have been tortured in other countries, but have gone back home after being released and lived normal lives.
I remember watching a documentary about Falun Gong. It is basically outlawed to be practiced in China (it's a religion btw) and Chinese have arrested Canadians (this documentary was made by Canadians, but you could put Americans in there as well) and tortured them. A man in this documentary retold his story, but he never did more than that.
I think when you're in a place like that, there's no point in seeking revenge. What should be done is getting rid of places like that, and trying to better the court system for foreigners.

 

[KidGoofy]

That is a terrible idea...why would he do that? It is giving the terrorists another chance to hurt our country. He could just outlaw the cruel and unusual punishment, not get rid of the whole thing. I hope he becomes smarter as time goes on.

 

[chisnpeke]

IDK if you were referencing me, but that's not what I meant at all. Say those who don't have enough evidence against them to convict them are released, wouldn't you be afraid of revenge?

I mean, I know if I was captured, tortured, and held without proper evidence against me and considered a criminal, I'd be angry when I got released. I wouldn't commit a terrorist attack, but I'd have my lawyer all over it like white on rice.

I'm just afraid those who are released, if there are any, are going to backlash at the US with a major attack.

The people who associate with terrorists are nuts themselves, guilty or not. These people weren't randomly picked off the street and put in prison. They were put there because something was suspicious.

And yes, if these people are released, you know they will use that as yet another excuse of why the U.S. is terrible and we deserve to be attacked. I don't even know if they need more motivation to attack us, but I'm sure the release of the prisoners and hearing their accounts of what happened isn't going to hurt.

I try to think of every person having worth. But people who associate with someone who LAUGHS at buildings falling with thousands of people inside...those people are basically just a bunch of trash to me. They are doing nothing to contribute to the overall well being of this world.

I'm probably going to get flamed for being such a hateful person but I have no sympathy for terrorists and radical religious idiots. Period.