Banked points with Resale

jjnv

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I noticed that some resale comes with banked points, and others do not. For example, this one http://www.wdwinfo.com/timeshare/detail.cfm?ID=OKW150-02-0106 is a contract of 150 points, it says "79 points coming on 2/1/05. Priced at $70 per point". When will I have to pay MF on these points? 2/1/05? How much MF will I be responsible for? 79 points or 150 points?

When you buy from Disney do you immediately get some points included in your contract? Or you have to pay MF first?

Many thanks for your help,

Jane
 
Actually I read that as points having been borrowed, not banked. It looks like it's a 150 point contract, but will only have 79 points coming on 2/1/05, meaning that all of the 2004 points have been used and 61 of the 2005 points have already been used, leaving only 79 points left.

You can call the resale agent to verify this. But if there were banked points I would think they would say 229 points coming on 2/1/05 which would mean 150 regular points plus 79 banked points.

Maintenance fees are negotiable between buyer and seller. You need to understand the MF's are on a calendar year and not on a use year. They are due Jan 15th each year, or you can pay in monthly installments via a direct bank draft that you can set up.

For a February use year, then for the calendar year 2005 (Jan-Dec), 1/12th of the MF's apply to 2004 points, and 11/12th of the MF's apply to 2005 points. You would need to verify with the seller whether they are paying the whole year now or they pay monthly. In any case if there are only 79 points left for the 2005 use year, you should not pay the whole year's fees since it appears the seller has already used the points. A 150 point contract equates to 12.5 points per month. Thus 79 points equals 6.32 months. But 1-month of 2005 use year actually will be in 2006, so of the 2005 use year, only 5.32 months of it are in calendar 2005. Thus 5.32/12 = 44.3%. You should not pay more than 44.3% of one year's annual dues.

At OKW dues for 2005 are $3.86/point. A 150 point contract then would have dues of $579 for the year. For receiving only 79 points on 2/1/05, you should only pay 44.3% of $579, which equals $256.50. If the seller expects you to pay more of the dues, then they are expecting you to pay for dues on points they already used.

Note: If indeed they are banked points then everything I said above changes, but it sure reads like there's borrowed points and not banked.
 
Just want to add that Disney requires MF to be paid before a contract can be sold. So all of the maintenance fees for 2005 will have to be paid by the seller before the sale (even if it was set up to be paid by monthly debit).

As Caskbill says, the amount (if any) is entirely negotiable. FWIW, I agree with Caskbill's analysis re what is "fair" for you to pay. However, you will want to consider the overall cost of the contract to make your decision - it may be worth paying more of the fees if the total cost works out to be a good value.

Best wishes -
 
Thanks Caskbill and CarolMN for the detailed analysis. So who pays how much in a resale contract is negotiable. What about buying from Disney directly? The price is $85 per point now for SSR. Does that contract comes with any banked points? Do I pay 2005 MF right away on top of the $85 per point? I am so thankful for this board. I am going to stay at OKW for 2 nights, and I will be able to decide if we want OKW or SSR after I am done with my research online and see both places.
 

jjnv said:
What about buying from Disney directly? The price is $85 per point now for SSR. Does that contract comes with any banked points?

No. In fact you probably won't get any points until July or August '05 if you buy now. The buildings in which they are currently selling points are still under construction. You cannot begin to use DVC until your unit is ready for occupancy.

Do I pay 2005 MF right away on top of the $85 per point?

No. They will be pro-rated for the remainder of the year based upon the date you receive the points. If you buy with a July Use Year and get your first set of points on 7/1/05, you would only pay half of the normal annual dues (6 of 12 months' worth.)

If you finance part of the purchase through DVC you will have no payments and no accrued interest until you receive the points. Even if you intend to pay cash you're better off financing and investing the money for 6 mos. Then, right before any interest accrues, call accounting and pay off the balance.
 
When you see that x amount of points are coming, that means they have borrowed points from the coming year. You will often see these contracts selling for less money because they have few or no points coming in 2005. This means if you purchase this contract, you will have to borrow 2006 points or not have any use this year.
 



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