Band Director Arrogance?

Musical performing groups are a "team sport." It's no more important for every athlete to show up than it is for every musician to show up.

The problem is that every single director of every single children's organization thinks their activity is the most important thing in the universe.

As a parent of a child with a number of talents and interests, it drives me crazy. We don't schedule things where there will be an obvious conflict, but sometimes things happen. You usually don't have the entire season's schedule for all the activities when the time comes to sign up. So, despite your best efforts, sometimes my daughter's orchestra concert is scheduled at the same time as an athletic event.

It would be nice if the directors didn't act as if civilization as we know it would come to a screaming halt if somebody has a conflict.

When my kid was in 6th grade, two of the less mentally stable teachers in the school decided to have a school musical. They summoned all the parents to an evening meeting on very short notice. They said that if the kid wanted to be in the musical, he or she could not miss a single rehearsal for any reason. If you needed to take your kid to the doctor, that was no excuse (I guess it's better if they missed school time), no matter how far ahead medical appointments were already sheduled out.

One of the teachers then said how she knew she'd have a hard time getting boys to participate, but that if they were interested, they should take the rehearsal schedule to the coach and tell the coach to rearrange games around the teacher's play. :lmao:

The two of them were such tyrants that I told dd she couldn't be in the musical because it conflicted with her violin lessons. She was sad, but she understood.

About three weeks before the play the teacher called me at work to see if dd could take a part as somebody quit. I told her dd could, but she would be missing rehearsal every Tuesday for her violin lesson. Oddly enough, she thought dd could manage anyway. :rotfl:

Excellent post and exactly what I am talking about.
 
Not to answer your question, because I don't know the answer, but if you're Jewish then Sat. is the Sabbath. So i doubt that had anything to with it.

Yes, I'm aware that Saturday is the Sabbath for those of the Jewish faith. However, since they were talking about Baptists, I didn't feel mentioning anything other than the Christian Sabbath was necessary.
 
A graded concert takes precedence over a non-graded sporting event.
 
The rules you posted are pretty typical. DH is a band director and tries to be flexible when he can, but if he only has one tuba and that kid has a game, dh and the coach decide who needs him more.

At one of the elementary schools I teach at, the policy is if you miss a concert for any reason, you must attend another concert within the district and write a report on it. This is for chorus, band, and orchestra.

Band is curricular, part of the school day in many schools. Sports are extra-curricular. I think curricular classes should take priority over extra-curricular activities.
 

Clearly, you did not grow up in a Baptist town. :lmao::rotfl::rotfl2: Wednesday night is prayer meeting night. A big deal, especially in small Baptist towns. No school functions on Wednesday nights.

Not just Baptists, though. Here everything church related (Baptist, Methodist, etc.) is held on Wednesday night, choir, youth choir, youth groups, dinners at church, etc., so there's nothing held on Wed. nights for school, rec. department, games, practices, nothing ever on Wed. nights.

Heather
 
Sounds like a reasonable rule to me. The school coaches around here have the same rule for their players, and I don't hear people calling them arrogant. If you want to commit to something like a sport or a band, you have to be willing to show up for the games or concerts. In band, at least, you're told on day 1 that the concert counts as a part of the grade. It seems like common sense. It's a shame that sometimes there are conflicts, but in those cases you just have to decide which one is more important to you.
 
In my mind, a band concert can still go on with a child or two missing but a sports team can't play (and win) if a key player is missing.

:confused3 I honestly wondered when I read this if you were serious! There's no bench or second string in musical ensembles.

Obviously, there will be times some kids have conflicts and each one needs to be judged accordingly. However, assuming it is okay to miss a concert but not a sports game is really surprising to me. I guess I can see it if your child just sits there without playing, but I guess I attend assuming that my child actually contributes something to the music.:confused3

Maybe it's just my kids, but one plays trumpet and one plays tuba and they would be greatly missed at any band event. At any given sporting event there are several other players qualified to take their spot.
 
Why couldn't they practice on Wednesday nights? Sunday is the sabbath.

Welcome to the midwest. Or as it is affectionatly known, the Bible Belt.

Sunday morning= Sunday School
Sunday later morning= church (either kids or in the main service
Sunday night= evening devotional/service

Wednesday night = youth group/bible study/choir practice

Friday night= Revival or guest speaker nights about 4-10 times a year

Saturday is often a day to do community outreach, prepare for any special programs, extra choir practice, etc

My godparents took thier roles very seriously and belonged to a fundemetalist sect(my parents were not members of this church my godparents were our across the street neighbors and my parents first friends in our neighborhood), I attended ALL of these until I was 11.

Which is why I'm now an Agnostic;)

Wednesday was just as important as Sunday in some churches.
 
As others have already said, because Wednesday is Bible Study night, and some fundamentalist Christian denominations also hold services then.

It caused issues in my town because it was actually a majority Catholic place, but there was a Baptist minority of about 30%. The Catholics didn't think there was any reason why Wednesdays should be sacrosanct, but the Baptists did, so they argued. In places where Baptists have a clear majority, the nothing-on-Wednesday-night rule is pretty much a given. (A while ago I worked for a company based in a fairly small city in Alabama -- they had a rule that no employee could be required to be out of town on business over a Wednesday night.)

FWIW, the Jewish sabbath (Shabbat) is from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday, so in a majority Jewish community you normally won't find mandatory school activities on Friday nights.
 
:confused3 I honestly wondered when I read this if you were serious! There's no bench or second string in musical ensembles.

Obviously, there will be times some kids have conflicts and each one needs to be judged accordingly. However, assuming it is okay to miss a concert but not a sports game is really surprising to me. I guess I can see it if your child just sits there without playing, but I guess I attend assuming that my child actually contributes something to the music.:confused3

Maybe it's just my kids, but one plays trumpet and one plays tuba and they would be greatly missed at any band event. At any given sporting event there are several other players qualified to take their spot.

Not really. I guess you must not be a sports fan.

I am totally serious. NEED TO CHOOSE? For gosh sake, he's 11. He taking band to see if he will like playing an instrument. He's not signing over his first born.

And band concerts at this age are a joke. I doubt many parents are there to hear great music. They are there to watch their child perform.
 
Not really. I guess you must not be a sports fan.

I am totally serious. NEED TO CHOOSE? For gosh sake, he's 11. He taking band to see if he will like playing an instrument. He's not signing over his first born.

And band concerts at this age are a joke
. I doubt many parents are there to hear great music. They are there to watch their child perform.

Wuh oh. If this is your attitude about the band perhaps your child should just skip it all together.
 
It is a graded class and you need to be there to be graded. Whether you play sports or not is not a concern for them. Band is part of school. It is also not required. If you don't want to commit then pay for private lessons. Why should all the other kids work hard to learn while your (a general yours) kid only shows up if it is convenient?
 
Not really. I guess you must not be a sports fan.

I am totally serious. NEED TO CHOOSE? For gosh sake, he's 11. He taking band to see if he will like playing an instrument. He's not signing over his first born.

And band concerts at this age are a joke. I doubt many parents are there to hear great music. They are there to watch their child perform.

I'm a sports fan. :)At almost every team sporting event, there is another player who could play a position if the person who usually plays it isn't there. Maybe they aren't as good as the usual player, but they can still play. Is that not the case on your son's team? Do they not have any extra players? That isn't the case in a band. In many cases, there is literally one person playing a particular instrument or a specific part. It isn't a matter of the sub not being as talented as the primary player. There simply are no extra people waiting to sub in for someone.

I suspect the band director and most of the kids don't see the concert as a joke. They are trying to put on the best concert they can. Are they professional quality? I imagine not. But they are still proud of what they are doing. It's sad that you would be so derogatory about it. But since you have such a low opinion of the band, maybe that can make your decision easier. Maybe you should pull your child out of band. That way he can focus on his sport, which appears to be more important to you, and you could get him music lessons to see if he enjoys playing an instrument.
 
It has always been my impression from stories I have heard that High School band directors tend to be arrogant or maybe snooty is a better word.

Well here is my first hand experience. My son is starting band in 6th grade and today we received the band handbook.

There is a section about missing concerts due to an unexcused absence. An unexcused absence from a concert will result in a significant reduction in the student's grade.

"Unexcused absences include oversleeping, unable to get a ride, sports practice or GAME (my emphasis). Let me know so I can contact your coach if needed."

I can understand all of them except for the Game. In my mind, a band concert can still go on with a child or two missing but a sports team can't play (and win) if a key player is missing.

Isn't school for building an interest in many subjects? This type of ultimatum will merely turn kids away from band.

Band concerts are rare - maybe once a semester. Games happen all season. If we missed performances, we flunked. It is an academic class.
 
It is a graded class and you need to be there to be graded. Whether you play sports or not is not a concern for them. Band is part of school. It is also not required. If you don't want to commit then pay for private lessons. Why should all the other kids work hard to learn while your (a general yours) kid only shows up if it is convenient?

Same thing can be said by the sports team.

If it is a graded class then make the concert during school hours. You don't have to show up at night to take a math test!
 
And band concerts at this age are a joke. I doubt many parents are there to hear great music. They are there to watch their child perform.

Hmm. I thought they were there to support their children and encourage them in their musical pursuits. It takes a lot of skill to put on concert that is easy to listen to, (I personally didn't really enjoy the music for it's own sake until high school performances) but going to support your child is a way to help them gain that skill. Watching them perform was the least of my worries. I have actually missed a few concerts over the years, but made sure my kids were still there. It wasn't about me watching (or listening to) them at all, it was about them being part of an ensemble.

It honestly pains me that you think beginning musicians performing is a joke. Put your earplugs in if you need to, then watch their faces. Sure, you'll be amused at times, but I think watching the pride they take in showing you what they've learned and the music they are making will win you over.

As others have suggested. If you don't want your child to be part of an ensemble and the responsibilites that go along with that, have them take some private lessons. Don't punish the rest of the ensemble by deeming them unimportant.
 
It has always been my impression from stories I have heard that High School band directors tend to be arrogant or maybe snooty is a better word.

Well here is my first hand experience. My son is starting band in 6th grade and today we received the band handbook.

There is a section about missing concerts due to an unexcused absence. An unexcused absence from a concert will result in a significant reduction in the student's grade.

"Unexcused absences include oversleeping, unable to get a ride, sports practice or GAME (my emphasis). Let me know so I can contact your coach if needed."

I can understand all of them except for the Game. In my mind, a band concert can still go on with a child or two missing but a sports team can't play (and win) if a key player is missing.

Isn't school for building an interest in many subjects? This type of ultimatum will merely turn kids away from band.

Completely disagree. A lot of band kids are in sports, often the same sport. If they all missed a concert a significant number of band members would be missing, ruining the balance and even taking out an entire section. There's what, 2, 3 band concerts a year? With sports you have a game close to every night. If you can't miss one game for a band concert you've been working for, then don't be in band.
 
Did you not know that concerts are not during school hours?

Kae
 
Same thing can be said by the sports team.

If it is a graded class then make the concert during school hours. You don't have to show up at night to take a math test!

And most parents wouldn't be able to attend. Plus, especially as you get into Jr/HS missing classes/having a concert in the day would not fly.
 
Is it a graded course? In JH/HS, band and choir are graded courses that meet daily, and you can't miss a performance without your grade going down.
 


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