Baby on plane - where do you put them if not in a carseat?

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Seriously! Can't we just stop?!?!

Look, no matter what people "say" or "push" or "scream" or whatever, until the FAA requires a carseat for ALL children under a certian age, people WILL bring kids under 2 as lap children.

You people HAVE TO STOP!

The Baby B'Air may not be approved or allowed for take offs & landings. BUT IT IS allowed during the flight time. So ENOUGH!

I personally always buy the extra seat for my DS unless we are in first class, which frankly we usually are. And once he turns to, we will buy him a seat in first class.

But you know where he spends most of the flight? ON MY LAP. Why? Because he and I are playing, he is sleeping my my arms, he wants to stretch, whatever.

And another thing, it is really NON of your business if my son is in my arms or in a carseat.

You can preach & throw statistcs all you want. But people are going to bring kids on planes as lap children, until the FAA does not allow it any longer.

And I think they will allow it as long as airlines charge the prices they do for tickets. Our flights to Europe a few months ago were $13,000 a peice. Yes $13,000. Sure we flew first class. But I was not spening that money for my son to sit on my lap, & would have even if he had his own seat.

We used the Baby B'Air. It worked WONDERFULLY. DS & I both got to get some good sleep on the 9 hour flight. And I knew he was secured to me.

No matter how many times you scream "a child needs to be on the floor in an emergency", there is NO WAY most mothers are going to think "Well I will just put my kid on the floor.". Most mothers (like me) are going to hold onto that kid for dear life. And yes I can hold onto my son in turbulance. I have done it before.

Can't we just let this conversation end?

Frankly it is just getting nastier and nastier. Enough is enough already.
 
Not adding to the debate but ...

$13,000 FOR AN AIRLINE TICKET?????
:faint: :faint:

All I can say is WOW!! Didn't even know you could spend that much for one ticket.
Guess I should stop complaining when I have to pay over $200 each for tixs to Florida.
 
I doubt any parent can hold on to their child in serious turbulance. If you think that you are mistaken.

I was involved in occupant safety for many years and trust me I heard all the stories about how strong parents were, or the baby had very strong muscles.

The reason you don't see a lot being done about it is money. Getting money to promote safety is hard to come by.

I would ask parents what they would tell their child if they were ever injured because the parent didn't take the time to learn what would keep their child safe?
 

So what do you do with your kid on the Disney Bus?
 
The FAA rules re: use of child restraints on US-based commercial carrier aircraft are part of the Code of Federal Regulations, 14CFR121.311. Read them for yourselves: http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/tex...&view=text&node=14:2.0.1.4.19.11.10.9&idno=14
BTW, Pay very close attention to the part that notes when the airline is or is not allowed to refuse the use of a restraint.

Now then, a word about common sense counting for more than "regulations", or what we might call the Momma Bear response. While that might be valid in just about any other situation, I am telling you now that if the urge to argue about the rules or ignore the rules strikes you while on a commercial aircraft, you need to firmly squelch it. I fly a lot, and I promise you that in the post-9/11 world, if you go toe-to-toe with a flight attendant, you WILL lose. At best you will be humiliated in public, and at worst you will find yourself shackled to your seat, with cops and an arrest warrant waiting for the plane to land.
 
SoCalKDG said:
So what do you do with your kid on the Disney Bus?

OT and IMHO not relevant to the thread, If you truly want feedback on this subject perhaps you would be interested in starting your own thread.

TJ
 
LOL..... :rotfl: .....I don't scare that easily but thanks for caring!


For those of you that didn't catch it the first time........


PrincessasMommy said:
O.k. as the original poster can I stop this now? Please!

I recently joined this forum for helpful advice when planning out Disney portion of our very first vacation and I am sorry I started a debate.

My intention was to figure out the safest way for my child to fly (OUTSIDE OF A CARSEAT) as I worded the question in the beginning as ....

"For those who have not purchased a seat for their babies....." (I was not looking for a bashing here)

I am aware that a child's safest place is the car seat, but to be quite honest, it is a 3 hour flight and I plan on feeding the baby as we ascend and descend for her ears anyhow, so is it worth is to pay for a seat we won't use? My agent also tells me that they will probably have empty seats available as we are travelling at odd times and that no device is allowed to strap baby to me - kills those Baby B'Air discussions.

For the record, with 3 children sleep is in high demand, but last night I researched for hours and hours, until 3 AM (I wake up at 6 - so if this isn't well articulated I apologize) but the statistics are highly in the lap baby's favour......3 babies have died (and I am sure their parents cry nights for not buying carseats - I know) but it has been over a 23 year period on international flights.

I thank you all for your input and contributions to this topic. I am now quite aware of FAA regulations, Europe's arguments to them (only in Europe do they allow baby strap attachments), Canada's policies, why carseats aren't mandatory to begin with, and many other statistics on air travel.

I believe arguments for both sides are valid and my husband and I will be very informed when we make our decision on how to travel with our child.
 
Hey Louise,
If you want to close the thread then contact a moderator, otherwise it may live a life all it's own ~

If not, since you have the info you need then just take a break and go on with the boards and invest in other threads. Have a wonderful vacation.

TJ
 
lclark0621 said:
Seriously! Can't we just stop?!?!

Look, no matter what people "say" or "push" or "scream" or whatever, until the FAA requires a carseat for ALL children under a certian age, people WILL bring kids under 2 as lap children.

You people HAVE TO STOP!

The Baby B'Air may not be approved or allowed for take offs & landings. BUT IT IS allowed during the flight time. So ENOUGH!

I personally always buy the extra seat for my DS unless we are in first class, which frankly we usually are. And once he turns to, we will buy him a seat in first class.

But you know where he spends most of the flight? ON MY LAP. Why? Because he and I are playing, he is sleeping my my arms, he wants to stretch, whatever.

And another thing, it is really NON of your business if my son is in my arms or in a carseat.

You can preach & throw statistcs all you want. But people are going to bring kids on planes as lap children, until the FAA does not allow it any longer.

And I think they will allow it as long as airlines charge the prices they do for tickets. Our flights to Europe a few months ago were $13,000 a peice. Yes $13,000. Sure we flew first class. But I was not spening that money for my son to sit on my lap, & would have even if he had his own seat.

We used the Baby B'Air. It worked WONDERFULLY. DS & I both got to get some good sleep on the 9 hour flight. And I knew he was secured to me.

No matter how many times you scream "a child needs to be on the floor in an emergency", there is NO WAY most mothers are going to think "Well I will just put my kid on the floor.". Most mothers (like me) are going to hold onto that kid for dear life. And yes I can hold onto my son in turbulance. I have done it before.

Can't we just let this conversation end?

Frankly it is just getting nastier and nastier. Enough is enough already.


I'm sorry but I think somebody just wants to brag about how they always sit in first class and pay 13,000 for plane tickets. I'm sorry if this sounds harsh. However, there really is no good reason to talk about how much money you spend on airline tickets. :rolleyes2. My kids have alwasy been pretty good when on a plane, they usually sat in there carseats. However, when they did cry I took them out and held them, and everything worked out fine.
 
;) I have to admit I think in my short time here I have become an addict to this board! ;) So try as I might I can't go away.......

I think it's a great topic to debate and I like to debate but I just wouldn't want to get in trouble for starting something, I haven't been around here long enough to know what is and isn't permitted. Some boards are very strict about these things....btw, is there a debate board? Someone mentioned it but I can't find it, I had more to add to this conversation after talking to my travel agent and my airline today but didn't want to fuel the fire on the "family" board. Just trying to be a polite newcomer until I familiarize myself with the rules here....


tjmw2727 said:
Hey Louise,
If you want to close the thread then contact a moderator, otherwise it may live a life all it's own ~

If not, since you have the info you need then just take a break and go on with the boards and invest in other threads. Have a wonderful vacation.

TJ
 
No debate board here on the DIS. There are just certain topics that seem to get everyone posting.
 
MickeyGirl555 said:
I'm sorry but I think somebody just wants to brag about how they always sit in first class and pay 13,000 for plane tickets. I'm sorry if this sounds harsh. However, there really is no good reason to talk about how much money you spend on airline tickets. :rolleyes2. My kids have alwasy been pretty good when on a plane, they usually sat in there carseats. However, when they did cry I took them out and held them, and everything worked out fine.

Well so sorry you feel this way.

I guess I will just take my first class butt to another board.

I was making a point but all you saw was that I fly first & you dont.
 
All I read was Baby on Plane and had this vision of one of those Yellow signs stuck in one of the windows of a 747. pirate:
 
lclark0621 said:
I was making a point but all you saw was that I fly first & you dont.
:snooty: :worship: No I don't fly first, but I fly jet blue, tv's with cable at every seat. :cool1: :cool1: Do you have that?
 
I'm just curious... Why do some people on this post feel the need to make such personal belittling attacks? How EXACTLY do these posts offend you so? If you have nothing to offer other than hateful sarcastic comments, why don't you just keep shopping until you can offer something constructive in another thread?

Geez!
 
Really, enough already.

Let it drop.

The OP has made her decision.

Let it go.

Take a hot bath.

Do something else other than attack each other.

Please?? :worship:
 
tjmw2727 said:
OT and IMHO not relevant to the thread, If you truly want feedback on this subject perhaps you would be interested in starting your own thread.TJ
I disagree. The topic is how safe is it to have a child under two on a plane without a car seat. Is it safer than no car seat on a bus, is it safer than driving 40 miles a day with your child in the car seat? This is the info that is really needed, and no one has yet to supply.


Example:

If a 1 year old has a 1 in 75,000 chance of being hurt without a carseat while flying and this compares to a 1 in 50,000 chance of being hurt while sitting in a car seat while driving, then we could make a statistical judgement and say, yes, it is safe.
 
lclark0621 said:
Seriously! Can't we just stop?!?!

Look, no matter what people "say" or "push" or "scream" or whatever, until the FAA requires a carseat for ALL children under a certian age, people WILL bring kids under 2 as lap children.

You people HAVE TO STOP!

The Baby B'Air may not be approved or allowed for take offs & landings. BUT IT IS allowed during the flight time. So ENOUGH!

I personally always buy the extra seat for my DS unless we are in first class, which frankly we usually are. And once he turns to, we will buy him a seat in first class.

But you know where he spends most of the flight? ON MY LAP. Why? Because he and I are playing, he is sleeping my my arms, he wants to stretch, whatever.

And another thing, it is really NON of your business if my son is in my arms or in a carseat.

You can preach & throw statistcs all you want. But people are going to bring kids on planes as lap children, until the FAA does not allow it any longer.

And I think they will allow it as long as airlines charge the prices they do for tickets. Our flights to Europe a few months ago were $13,000 a peice. Yes $13,000. Sure we flew first class. But I was not spening that money for my son to sit on my lap, & would have even if he had his own seat.

We used the Baby B'Air. It worked WONDERFULLY. DS & I both got to get some good sleep on the 9 hour flight. And I knew he was secured to me.

No matter how many times you scream "a child needs to be on the floor in an emergency", there is NO WAY most mothers are going to think "Well I will just put my kid on the floor.". Most mothers (like me) are going to hold onto that kid for dear life. And yes I can hold onto my son in turbulance. I have done it before.

Can't we just let this conversation end?

Frankly it is just getting nastier and nastier. Enough is enough already.

It doesn't matter what class of seats you're sitting in because the danger is still there regardless. If a child is without a carseat or other restraint, that is.

When you say that you can hold your son during turbulence... well, that's probably minor turbulence.

In any case - be informed and be safe.
 
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