Baby naming pressures... Updated with PIC: post #71

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I know this is long and confusing. I will try hard to make it easy to follow. I don't want to share the actual name in question because it's very unique and google-able, I hope you understand.

I am expecting in two months.

DH is the 8th generation of firstborn son in a row to be given the same first name. Each of the 8 men have had different middle names, though, so DH isn't really "the 8th" or a junior or any of that.

We have spent the last several months talking about names. What our son will actually be called is something we both totally agree upon-- we have chosen the name Harrison. What we haven't agreed upon is the order of his name. Harrison will either be his middle name, if we follow suit, or his first name if we buck tradition.

To give an example to clarify: Let's pretend the first name handed down 8 times is Hank (that's not the real name of course)... we can either:

- name our son Hank Harrison and call him Harrison all the time... we'd be following tradition but DS would go by his middle name for life. OR

- name him Harrison Hank, bucking tradition, DS would go by his first name and Hank would get the non-traditional placement of the middle name instead of the first.

Dh keeps deflecting responsibility to me, saying things like, "I guess we don't have to," "It's important to me but it's not THAT important to me," "We should do whatever you want to do," etc. I know he doesn't want me to feel pressured but he also doesn't want to let down his dad if we don't follow suit, so I feel he isn't being forthcoming about HIS true wishes to anyone. I feel that by letting (forcing?) me to make the final decision about the name, he is effectively clearing himself of responsibility when it comes to answering questions about why we didn't follow the tradition. I've presented this to him and have been met with more of the same "whatever you want" responses.

Here are some of my thoughts/ concerns:
-The name is VERY old fashioned and unique/ not in style, definitely a name a kid could get teased over
-Although it's grown on me because I love my DH, I do not particularly like the name at all
-I worry that my child will be angry at me for intentionally calling him by his middle name and setting him up for a lifetime of inconveniences and confusion
-On the other hand, I worry that my child will be angry at me if I break the tradition and don't include him in the long line of men before him.
-I feel like my concerns are rooted in our future child's feelings and DH's concerns are rooted in his father's feelings.
-My FIL is a particularly amoral man who I do not look up to nor wish to name my child after... he has done many truly unsavory things, we'll leave it at that
-Yet conversely I feel that this name would be also for my husband
-I feel like the middle name is still an honorable placement
-I don't want my husband to feel disappointed and tell me so in the future after it's too late-- but then I also feel that I've given him numerous chances to tell me his true feelings and he has not (or he really doesn't care after all.)
-Selfishly (and yes I recognize the selfishness), I feel that I'm sort of being robbed of the joy of naming my child whatever my husband and I choose without third party pressure... after all, I'm the one with the stretch marks.
-I feel like it's a no-win situation because someone is going to wind up hurt or resentful no matter what we decide to do.
ETA: -no, there aren't really any nicknames that aren't already used and/ or we like, sadly.
-I also worry about having a second son and him feeling left out or weird about the whole thing-- if we use "Hank" as DS1's middle name, we could repeat that in the future.

What would you do if you were in my situation? I TRULY want to just do what's best and what's fair to everyone, and I've tried so many ways of looking at it/ weighing it out, and praying about it, and no clear answer has come to me. I feel like I'm wasting the last few months of my pregnancy being anxious and worried instead of being joyful in this fleeting moment in my life.

If you got through this, I owe you a dozen Mickey bars.
 
My opinion? Stick with tradition and call your son the name you chose and use it as his middle name. My uncle was named after my grandfather, Philip. My grandfather was not given a middle name. My uncle's name was Philip Dennis. He went by Denny his whole life. My brother-in-law's name is traditional Hungarian name. He uses that as his first initial and goes by his Confirmation name.

Neither are angry or confused by not using their given first name. ;)

Good luck!!
 
I think it's really cool the name has been passed down for so long.

It is your husbands name and you would be honoring him not your sons grandfather.

I would name him your DHs name and use Harrison as the middle name and then call him by his middle name.

It sounds to me like your DH wants to hold up tradition but doesn't want to upset you if you feel that strongly against the name. I think if you truly are not sure them I would go with tradition in this case as your DH seems to to want to go that way.
 
Hmmm that's a tough one.

Could the name be shortened to a nickname you could live with? That way, the first name is still used, but you are putting your own spin on it.

When I was expecting, the boys name was known from day one, at least to my EX. He was Jim, his dad was Jim, most male cousins were Jim. You get the point. I have always wanted to name a boy Noah. I'm not religious, but I love that story. The name was going to be James Noah Riley last name. I was going to call him Jimmy but he ended up being a Grace, so we did avoid the whole issue.

Good luck, it's hard to make everyone happy.
 

Sorry you are having to deal with family stress when you are this far along. I know stress doesn't help when you're this pregnant!
Does your DH know your reasons for not wanting the first name? Was he teased? If you do choose to not use the family name as the first name I would just make sure your DH practices explaining the reasons why and make sure he never ever blames it on you. I wouldn't be able to handle my whole family of in-laws hating me for breaking 8 generations of tradition.
Good luck and health to you and the baby!
 
I think you are missing one important option that I have seen happen.
If you name the kid Hank Harrison and YOU call him Harrison, the family members may refuse to follow and still call him Hank because that is his given name.
I have seen this exact issue play out this way. The poor mom was so upset.

I say call him Harrison and leave Hank out of it.
 
I know this is long and confusing. I will try hard to make it easy to follow. I don't want to share the actual name in question because it's very unique and google-able, I hope you understand.

I am expecting in two months.

DH is the 8th generation of firstborn son in a row to be given the same first name. Each of the 8 men have had different middle names, though, so DH isn't really "the 8th" or a junior or any of that.

We have spent the last several months talking about names. What our son will actually be called is something we both totally agree upon-- we have chosen the name Harrison. What we haven't agreed upon is the order of his name. Harrison will either be his middle name, if we follow suit, or his first name if we buck tradition.

To give an example to clarify: Let's pretend the first name handed down 8 times is Hank (that's not the real name of course)... we can either:

- name our son Hank Harrison and call him Harrison all the time... we'd be following tradition but DS would go by his middle name for life. OR

- name him Harrison Hank, bucking tradition, DS would go by his first name and Hank would get the non-traditional placement of the middle name instead of the first.

Dh keeps deflecting responsibility to me, saying things like, "I guess we don't have to," "It's important to me but it's not THAT important to me," "We should do whatever you want to do," etc. I know he doesn't want me to feel pressured but he also doesn't want to let down his dad if we don't follow suit, so I feel he isn't being forthcoming about HIS true wishes to anyone. I feel that by letting (forcing?) me to make the final decision about the name, he is effectively clearing himself of responsibility when it comes to answering questions about why we didn't follow the tradition. I've presented this to him and have been met with more of the same "whatever you want" responses.

Here are some of my thoughts/ concerns:
-The name is VERY old fashioned and unique/ not in style, definitely a name a kid could get teased over
-Although it's grown on me because I love my DH, I do not particularly like the name at all
-I worry that my child will be angry at me for intentionally calling him by his middle name and setting him up for a lifetime of inconveniences and confusion
-On the other hand, I worry that my child will be angry at me if I break the tradition and don't include him in the long line of men before him.
-I feel like my concerns are rooted in our future child's feelings and DH's concerns are rooted in his father's feelings.
-My FIL is a particularly amoral man who I do not look up to nor wish to name my child after... he has done many truly unsavory things, we'll leave it at that
-Yet conversely I feel that this name would be also for my husband
-I feel like the middle name is still an honorable placement
-I don't want my husband to feel disappointed and tell me so in the future after it's too late-- but then I also feel that I've given him numerous chances to tell me his true feelings and he has not (or he really doesn't care after all.)
-Selfishly (and yes I recognize the selfishness), I feel that I'm sort of being robbed of the joy of naming my child whatever my husband and I choose without third party pressure... after all, I'm the one with the stretch marks.
-I feel like it's a no-win situation because someone is going to wind up hurt or resentful no matter what we decide to do.

What would you do if you were in my situation? I TRULY want to just do what's best and what's fair to everyone, and I've tried so many ways of looking at it/ weighing it out, and praying about it, and no clear answer has come to me. I feel like I'm wasting the last few months of my pregnancy being anxious and worried instead of being joyful in this fleeting moment in my life.

If you got through this, I owe you a dozen Mickey bars.

The rule, people. The rule ;)
 
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I would go with the name that makes you happy. :thumbsup2 Naming a child w/o any tradition interference is often difficult enough. Use the traditional name as the middle name. It is your child and if your husband is going to use you as the scapegoat then so be it, at least you have a name that you like saying..if your son dislikes the fact later that he did not follow in tradition he can always legally change his name, my cousin and best friends have done so, they hated their first names (both named after family and very "old fashioned" names) but loved their middle, both ladies legally changed their middle to their first name. When I had my DD her name was going to be decided upon by the 2 people that created her...listened to opinions but went with what we loved...and middle name was in tradition. Good luck
 
Double post, sorry!

Can you use the same initials as his daddy?
 
Here's my 2 cents...

When my parents named me I was given my great grandmother & Aunt's first name and another Aunt's middle name. My parents knew from the begining that I would not be called by my first name instead I'd be called the common nickname for my first name. I really wish if my parents were going to call me by the nickname my whole life they would have just named me that!

When I was expecting I knew I wanted a name with NO nickname! We came up with both a boy and girl name with no nickname so our child wouldn't feel the same frustration I have over my name.

I personally didn't want my son or daughter to be named after anyone and my DH didn't care so we just picked names we liked. My brother and SIL have already stated that any boys they have will have my brothers middle name and girls will have her.

Naming a child is your personal choice and you have to do what works best for you! Truthfully DH & I agreed on our boy name but had different choices for a girl. When I delivered a girl DH looked at me and said "you should go with your name." Good luck!
 
What would you do if you were in my situation? I TRULY want to just do what's best and what's fair to everyone, and I've tried so many ways of looking at it/ weighing it out, and praying about it, and no clear answer has come to me. I feel like I'm wasting the last few months of my pregnancy being anxious and worried instead of being joyful in this fleeting moment in my life.
Accept the fact that you can NOT make everyone happy. Accept it. Accept that either decision will make someone unhappy. Then decide what consequences you CAN live with.

Ifyou follow tradition, can you live with disliking your own kid's name? If you choose a different name, can your dh live with bucking tradition? If you keep the tradition, can your dh live with keeping tradition by making you unhappy with your own kid's name?
 
If you really don't like your husband's name why would you give it to your son? I would choose a name both of you feel happy with. Are there are any special names on your side that you would like to pass on?
 
I'd give him the traditional first name and Harrison for the middle name. I'd call him Harrison.

This is what DFi's parents did with him. DFi's grandma wanted him to be named Nicholas but his parents wanted him to be Max. To save the heartache they named him Nicholas Max but he goes by Max. It's worked out fine!

For the record, his grandma calls him Nicholas and everyone else calls him Max. :laughing:
 
Not knowing the traditional name makes it hard to say. I'm leaning towards tradition just because I like that kind of thing (even if it doesn't exactly apply in my family).

As far as your FiL being an amoral man, he's only one level of the 8, so I don't think that factors in.

I agree with thinking about how your DS will be addressed in school. Are initials something you can work with? Let's say "Jebediah" is the traditional name, can you call him 'J.H.' for Jebediah Harrison?

I'd try to find a way to use the traditional name as the first name.

All of this is simply my opinion.
 
Maybe I'm reading too much into this but it sounds to me like this is important to your husband but he doesn't want to disappoint you. With 8 generations of sons given this name, I wouldn't want to be the one to mess with it. It's a lovely tradition. Unless the name is straight up hideous, I'd go ahead follow tradition but give him the middle name you want and call him by the middle name. That way, in a small way, everyone is pleased.

However, this decision is yours and your husband's alone. Talk to him and really listen. Then go with what the two of you decide. Don't let the rest of the family sway you. Good luck!
 
I think you are in a tough spot. I really don't know what to tell you. I know what I would do which is put the name I'm calling him first & then the traditional name middle but I'm outspoken like that.

I felt TERRIBLE for my mother in law because my DH is a 3rd and she only named him that because the grandfather would have thrown a fit otherwise. I only found this out when I was pregnant with my first. She only had 2 children, 1 boy & 1 girl so she never got to name her child anything she wanted. My DH doesn't have a middle name.

They basically had the 4th generation name already picked out. My DH does not get called by his legal name but rather a nickname they had picked out. I refuse to do a 4th because lots of intermingled messes plus DH refused to let me have the name I liked which was not that far off -- Generation #4 was supposedly going to be called Brad & I wanted Brandon for a name. Brad is absolutely NOTHING related to the given name, not even a shortened version, nothing even close. Now I know it's not the same since they have different middle names. We did use DH's legal name as the middle name & I have no issue with that, although DS doesn't like it at all. It is an older name and frankly not one you hear very often at all. Other than my DH, I never knew anyone with the name until recently I met an older gentleman with the name at a business networking event.

However, DH had his paychecks for the longest time in his name he was called but after 9/11 and how they have gotten stricter with everything -- since his SS # doesn't obviously match his name, everything has had to be shifted. It hasn't been too bad but it has been a pain for somethings, when trying to explain there are not 2 people in your household by seperate names but it is the same person, etc.... LOL! DH does have to always ask "what name am I?" to sign things. I know we have people at work that keep showing up on the schedule as one name since everything is done by legal first names & go by something totally different.

If your husband feels strongly about it though you do have to take that into consideration.
 
I just realized I didn't answer the WWYD portion of the OP's question. I'd divide up my issues into pros and cons.

1. Traditions like that mean nothing to me. So that would not factor into my decision-making process. It would be a neutral and not go into either columm.

2. The fact that the grandfather with that name is an amoral man would lead me to dislike the name. I would really hesitate to name my kid the same name as someone for whom I had strong negative feelings. (For example, I loathe my FIL and there is no way on this earth that my kid would have been named the same name as him, just as I could not name my son the name "Christopher" because that was the name of the neighborhood bully who tormented us.) So that would be in the negative column.

3. If my dh manned up and told me what he was feeling and that what he was feeling was that he really wanted to continue the tradition, that would go into the positive column.

4. I strongly believe that the only people who get a say in naming the child are the ones who made the child. So pressure from anyone else is irrelevant. So that's a neutral as well.

5. How does the husband feel about this pressure? Can he live with not doing what others want?
 
-I feel like it's a no-win situation because someone is going to wind up hurt or resentful no matter what we decide to do.

Thank goodness I didn't have to deal with what you are going through, because if I did, I still wouldn't,lol. Yes, no matter what you decide someone will be hurt, but here is the thing: this is about you, your DH and your child in the making.

You can't do what if you kid is mad at you later stuff,etc.

My DD13 has a very unique name,ok, so I got it from a soap opera and she is SO like the character,lol.

But she knows at any time if she doesn't like her given name she can nickname herself just like I did. She has kept her given name so far where as I 'changed" my name in 5th grade, so guess she likes it.


As for your husband not wanting to put in input, etc I would make it crystal clear that he not open his mouth later on about it, snooze you lose.
 
Hmmm that's a tough one.

Could the name be shortened to a nickname you could live with? That way, the first name is still used, but you are putting your own spin on it.

When I was expecting, the boys name was known from day one, at least to my EX. He was Jim, his dad was Jim, most male cousins were Jim. You get the point. I have always wanted to name a boy Noah. I'm not religious, but I love that story. The name was going to be James Noah Riley last name. I was going to call him Jimmy but he ended up being a Grace, so we did avoid the whole issue.

Good luck, it's hard to make everyone happy.

:lmao:

When my husband and I were expecting, we were discussing using Michael for a boy. The name would be to honor my husband's grandfather (his father's father) and is my husband's middle name. I then said I wanted to use Philip as the middle name to honor my grandfather (my mother's father). My husband wasn't sure.

His sister called one night and they started talking about baby names. She thought we should use Vernon :eek: as the middle name to honor their mother's father. I said i didn't think it was right to have both names from one side of the family and no recognition at all. His sister said I had NO rights in naming our baby, because I had already named the first child (my son from a previous marriage). Just for future reference, you NEVER tell a pregnant woman she has no rights in the naming of her baby!!! I was ready to strangle her through the phone.

But, long story short, "Michael" was actually a girl and we named her Grace!! :rotfl:
 
I'm glad that there wasn't that pressure on us for our child. Her first name is just because we like it, her middle is after her grandmother and godmother. The tradition in DH's family is to give the son the father's first name as a middle name. Dh didn't want to carry that tradition on, even if we had a boy.

In your case, OP, I don't think I'd use the family name as a first name. Someone at some point is going to want to break that tradition. It might as well be you.
 














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