Baby #19 for the Duggars born!

[Aisling]

As far as Josie being born early, I think it's a bit snarky to say maybe it's because God is unhappy with them. That poor little baby is going to have to fight to live while her parents sit, watch and hope she does indeed survive. What this family needs now is lots of prayers for a healthy recovery for their newest baby.

Well, it just goes to show how anyone can interpret anything as being "snarky." I'm NOT being snarky, a bit or otherwise. I don't believe that God is unhappy with them. I believe it's possible that THEY believe that God is unhappy with them for something.

I've heard them say that family planning goes against God's plan, thus the miscarriage. It was taken as a "sign" for them not to use birth control and let God have His way. In their minds, family planning, natural or otherwise, is playing God's role in the decision to bring children into the world.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

Well, it just goes to show how anyone can interpret anything as being "snarky." I'm NOT being snarky, a bit or otherwise. I don't believe that God is unhappy with them. I believe it's possible that THEY believe that God is unhappy with them for something.

I've heard them say that family planning goes against God's plan, thus the miscarriage. It was taken as a "sign" for them not to use birth control and let God have His way. In their minds, family planning, natural or otherwise, is playing God's role in the decision to bring children into the world.

Sorry for the misunderstanding then. I think I understand what you're saying. I hadn't heard that they said that, about God's plan and birth control and their miscarriage. Actually, it's pretty weird if they truly believe it. That is strange. No wonder they refuse to use contraceptives. Wow, I really didn't know that about them. Geez, just because you're a Christian doesn't mean you throw your brain out the window.

Case in point...I have 3 girls. After my last baby my thyroid went hyper c-r-a-z-y to the point that I literally thought I was dying. Then I developed a heart issue as well. No way would I consider getting pregnant again and risking a full blown thyroid storm or worse. So obviously DH and I take 'precautions' to prevent getting pregnant. I hardly think I'm thwarting God's plan.

 

[IDoDis]

They've shown the calendar up on the wall with Michelle's cycle circled Odd yes, but its there...also they always announce the exact date they concieved those two combined does not sound like nature to me

Michelle has a cycle?? Since when?? I'm sorry for what they are going through, but I think it's time to close up shop.

 

[BibbidiBobbidiBOO]

Here is an update!
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment...r-stable-michelle-face-risks/story?id=9350906

 

[robinb]

Here is an update!
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment...r-stable-michelle-face-risks/story?id=9350906

Wow. You learn something new every day:

Although it seems only time is limiting the number of children that families like the Duggars can have, doctors say each pregnancy actually scars the walls of the womb, leaving limited real estate for a new pregnancy.

"Every time you have a pregnancy, the placenta implants in the uterus and that implantation site cannot be used again because it's scarred," said Dr. Diane Harper of the University of Missouri in Kansas City.

 

[PrincessKsMom]

Glad to see not all doctors are falling for the whole 'a woman's body was made for this many kids' nonsense. She's killing herself and setting her other kids up to raise children with multiple issues if she continues. It really is amazing how people interpret God's will to fulfill their own wants and needs.

 

[xoprincessmomxo]

Glad to see not all doctors are falling for the whole 'a woman's body was made for this many kids' nonsense. She's killing herself and setting her other kids up to raise children with multiple issues if she continues. It really is amazing how people interpret God's will to fulfill their own wants and needs.

MTE.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Glad to see not all doctors are falling for the whole 'a woman's body was made for this many kids' nonsense. She's killing herself and setting her other kids up to raise children with multiple issues if she continues. It really is amazing how people interpret God's will to fulfill their own wants and needs.

Would be lovely if they got their facts straight though....

Going through 19 labors also stretches the mother's pelvic muscles and ligaments, sometimes to the point of causing uncomfortable or embarrassing problems.

She has 2 sets of twins and thus has only been pregnant 17 times. (not including her disclosed miscarriage).

Not that it makes a difference--but fact errors are none the less annoying.

 

[luvmy3]

Would be lovely if they got their facts straight though....



She has 2 sets of twins and thus has only been pregnant 17 times. (not including her disclosed miscarriage).

Not that it makes a difference--but fact errors are none the less annoying.

The doctor was stating what happens when a mother goes through 19 labors, she did not say specifically that Michelle did (not that the number makes any difference at that point). Where is the fact error you see?

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

The doctor was stating what happens when a mother goes through 19 labors, she did not say specifically that Michelle did (not that the number makes any difference at that point). Where is the fact error you see?

The statement I just posted. The article focused around Michelle and her pregnancies and how it is unsafe for someone like her--the fact that she has had 19 kids, they'd have no reason to state a specific number, but they did. They were referring to her labors and thus--it is a fact error. there would be no other reason for them to state that specific number.

It just bugs me b/c we'd lose half credit on an assignment for any fact error in school. They should really know better. Either generalize the statement or make it specific utilizing correct information given the organization of the article. The doctor was being interviewed in regards to this Michelle/Josie's situation--not some random article about quiverfull moms--so likely they may not know of Michelle's specific medical history--which is a problem when providing expert opinions in any situation that are typically generalized. The writer--if they did their research properly, could have written it differently. The statement also is not a direct quote, thus within the writer's control to its accuracy.

I have to say that I find it fascinating about the placenta--I did not know that each placenta has to attach in a different place. Which makes pregnancy all that much more a miracle when it occurs naturally. I wonder if that includes early miscarriages where baby implanted but did not make it and went away before the placenta had a chance to develop.
Scary scary.

 

[Aisling]

Sorry for the misunderstanding then. I think I understand what you're saying. I hadn't heard that they said that, about God's plan and birth control and their miscarriage. Actually, it's pretty weird if they truly believe it. That is strange. No wonder they refuse to use contraceptives. Wow, I really didn't know that about them. Geez, just because you're a Christian doesn't mean you throw your brain out the window.

Case in point...I have 3 girls. After my last baby my thyroid went hyper c-r-a-z-y to the point that I literally thought I was dying. Then I developed a heart issue as well. No way would I consider getting pregnant again and risking a full blown thyroid storm or worse. So obviously DH and I take 'precautions' to prevent getting pregnant. I hardly think I'm thwarting God's plan.

Thank you for that.

I'm a fairly religious Christian, and I second your belief that you're not thwarting God's plan by preventing another pregnancy. I'm Catholic, and even my priests said that if I'm happy and grateful for the two children I have, and if my husband and I feel in our hearts that our family is complete, then we can use the Free-Will and brains that God gave us to make the decision not to have any more children, with His blessing.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

Not being able to leave the hospital with your baby and being able to hold them extremely infrequently at first were horrible. I did not hold DD until she was about 10 days old and even then I was surrounded by Neonatologist, Respiratory Therapists, RN, and NNP's. Not exactly what I remember as a bonding experience.

I went home two days before my oldest DD, and was heartbroken. My heart goes out to families (esp the mom) with a preemie who has to spend a long time in the hospital.

let God have His way

I think Michelle needs to stop letting Jim Bob have his way. Altho, he did say one time that Michelle's the one who...oh, never mind.

 

[luvmy3]

The statement I just posted. The article focused around Michelle and her pregnancies and how it is unsafe for someone like her--the fact that she has had 19 kids, they'd have no reason to state a specific number, but they did. They were referring to her labors and thus--it is a fact error. there would be no other reason for them to state that specific number.
It just bugs me b/c we'd lose half credit on an assignment for any fact error in school. They should really know better. Either generalize the statement or make it specific utilizing correct information given the organization of the article. The doctor was being interviewed in regards to this Michelle/Josie's situation--not some random article about quiverfull moms--so likely they may not know of Michelle's specific medical history--which is a problem when providing expert opinions in any situation that are typically generalized. The writer--if they did their research properly, could have written it differently. The statement also is not a direct quote, thus within the writer's control to its accuracy.

I have to say that I find it fascinating about the placenta--I did not know that each placenta has to attach in a different place. Which makes pregnancy all that much more a miracle when it occurs naturally. I wonder if that includes early miscarriages where baby implanted but did not make it and went away before the placenta had a chance to develop.
Scary scary.

I see your point, but I see it differently and if I was marked wrong I would fight tooth an nail that no specific person that had 19 labors was named, only that "a mother" who did was. Because afterall the doctor also stated the things that could happen to women who had many pregnancies. She generalized in half of the article
I agree about the placenta, I didn't realize that either and I find it amazing that Michelle had any spot left for it to implant. After reading that article, I really hope that after Josie is well and home with them they take all that information seriously and stop concieving.

 

[gaelic grace]

Thank you for that.

I'm a fairly religious Christian, and I second your belief that you're not thwarting God's plan by preventing another pregnancy. I'm Catholic, and even my priests said that if I'm happy and grateful for the two children I have, and if my husband and I feel in our hearts that our family is complete, then we can use the Free-Will and brains that God gave us to make the decision not to have any more children, with His blessing.

I just haven't seen anywhere where the Duggar's feel like their lifestyle is right for everyone. I watched a show again last night where they said that this was their calling and they knew it wasn't for everyone. I don't feel that it is thwarting God's plan either but if they feel like for them it is then I can't/won't argue with their convictions because their isn't a Biblical mandate either way.
I have this feeling that God is using this family to show that there is an alternative to the lives that many families lead. Most people aren't going to go to their extreme but if it restores a sense of family for some then maybe His purpose for them is fulfilled. Maybe God will use them to show what a wonderful addition special needs children can be, maybe it will give someone the courage to carry a special needs baby. I don't know- time will tell.

 

[Aisling]

I think Michelle needs to stop letting Jim Bob have his way. Altho, he did say one time that Michelle's the one who...oh, never mind.

That's the odd thing. JB has said it was up to Michelle, and Michelle said it was up to God, so they don't seem to be on the same religious page concerning the number of children they're "supposed" to have. I'm convinced she has an obsession/compulsion illness about having as many kids as her body can produce. I bet you all a dollar she's pregnant again by next year. She's mentioned 20 several times, even during this latest pregnancy when she said she'd love to find out that she's carrying twins to make it 20 children.

And flame suit on, but I got the vibe that she was envious of Anna being pregnant, so shortly thereafter she became pregnant again.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

Thank you for that.

I'm a fairly religious Christian, and I second your belief that you're not thwarting God's plan by preventing another pregnancy. I'm Catholic, and even my priests said that if I'm happy and grateful for the two children I have, and if my husband and I feel in our hearts that our family is complete, then we can use the Free-Will and brains that God gave us to make the decision not to have any more children, with His blessing.

No problem. I really do understand what you're saying. While in a perfect world I'd have loved to have another baby, DH and I are very content with our 3 beautiful girls. I agree with what you're saying. There is a degree of common sense involved in living out your faith. When I read that article regarding the placenta attaching to a new place each time in the uterus, I was baffled how Michelle's would even have a scar-free place to attach at this point. I really, really hope her new little baby pulls through.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

That's the odd thing. JB has said it was up to Michelle, and Michelle said it was up to God, so they don't seem to be on the same religious page concerning the number of children they're "supposed" to have. I'm convinced she has an obsession/compulsion illness about having as many kids as her body can produce. I bet you all a dollar she's pregnant again by next year. She's mentioned 20 several times, even during this latest pregnancy when she said she'd love to find out that she's carrying twins to make it 20 children.

And flame suit on, but I got the vibe that she was envious of Anna being pregnant, so shortly thereafter she became pregnant again.

You know, I honestly thought it was poor taste to announce yet another of her pregnancies when her own daughter-in-law was working on her 1st. I remember thinking that she was sort of stealing Anna's thunder a bit. I wonder how Anna felt about that, maybe like she's in competition with her mother-in-law. Although, Anna seems to be a very sweet girl so maybe it doesn't bother her.

 

[PrincessSuzanne]

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You know, I honestly thought it was poor taste to announce yet another of her pregnancies when her own daughter-in-law was working on her 1st. I remember thinking that she was sort of stealing Anna's thunder a bit. I wonder how Anna felt about that, maybe like she's in competition with her mother-in-law. Although, Anna seems to be a very sweet girl so maybe it doesn't bother her.

Anna is rather nieve, but would be very happy for Michelle no matter what. I thought maybe Michelle and JimBob might stop now that they have a grandchild, but I guess not. Commom sense needs to kick in to them at some point. I don't agree with this part of their lifestyle, but I after this I would think Michelle might stop, because next time, it might be her and she might not survive, then where would her children be. I am an only child and 36 years old and let me tell you I have had a hard time after losing my mom so suddenly last year, how are her 19 going to deal.

Suzanne

 

[3prettyprincesses]

Anna is rather nieve, but would be very happy for Michelle no matter what. I thought maybe Michelle and JimBob might stop now that they have a grandchild, but I guess not. Commom sense needs to kick in to them at some point. I don't agree with this part of their lifestyle, but I after this I would think Michelle might stop, because next time, it might be her and she might not survive, then where would her children be. I am an only child and 36 years old and let me tell you I have had a hard time after losing my mom so suddenly last year, how are her 19 going to deal.

Suzanne

I'm sorry to hear you lost your mom, that is very difficult. I would hope that Michelle seriously considers getting pregnant. I have a hard time saying she shouldn't get pregnant again as it's her life and family. However, maybe someone in their family will talk some sense into her. She has so many healthy children already who love her. I'm sure they'd rather have her around instead of another new baby.

Pre-eclampsia is dangerous, so much so that Michelle needed an emergency c-section. That is scary. And you're right, next time around things could go very badly for both Michelle and a future baby. Honestly, do they really need to have another baby? I know it's their choice and I'm not saying they're wrong but, as a mom, I'd be terrified that something could happen to me next time and leave my children motherless. Maybe focusing on little Josie now will put into perspective how *lucky* Michelle has been up to this point with her other pregnancies. I wish them all the best.

 

[Aisling]

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I wonder how Anna felt about that, maybe like she's in competition with her mother-in-law. Although, Anna seems to be a very sweet girl so maybe it doesn't bother her.

Something interesting I heard when Anna was being interviewed about how many children she and Josh want to have. She said they'd love a large family, but "we're not trying to break any records." I took that as a polite way of saying 19 kids, no way.