Avatar Sequel Release Dates

[Tom P.]

Am I the only one who can't really see the public staying interested through 4 sequels? This isn't Star Wars we're talking about. I know the original Avatar made a lot of money, but I feel like the public will tire of this series. I could be wrong.

 

[jknezek]

Am I the only one who can't really see the public staying interested through 4 sequels? This isn't Star Wars we're talking about. I know the original Avatar made a lot of money, but I feel like the public will tire of this series. I could be wrong.

It's an entire science fiction universe being built. The first movie was amazingly popular. I don't see why it can't stay popular, provided the movies are good. Cameron doesn't really make many stinkers, and this is his baby. We will see. I do think the massive gap between the first and second movies is a problem, partly bridged by Disney right now, but if the second movie is good it will have the same people that flocked to the first coming back, and that halo will carry through at least the next two. A bad number 2 could be a problem, but a bad 3 or bad 4 wouldn't matter.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Am I the only one who can't really see the public staying interested through 4 sequels? This isn't Star Wars we're talking about. I know the original Avatar made a lot of money, but I feel like the public will tire of this series. I could be wrong.

I have said for years I don't see any interest in one sequel...

A couple of weeks of box office take and Chinese revenue...

But...people watch garbage...
See: FURIOUS, fast and

 

[lockedoutlogic]

It's an entire science fiction universe being built. The first movie was amazingly popular. I don't see why it can't stay popular, provided the movies are good. Cameron doesn't really make many stinkers, and this is his baby. We will see. I do think the massive gap between the first and second movies is a problem, partly bridged by Disney right now, but if the second movie is good it will have the same people that flocked to the first coming back, and that halo will carry through at least the next two. A bad number 2 could be a problem, but a bad 3 or bad 4 wouldn't matter.

Based on why you have seen...rate the franchise potential on a scale of 1-10 for avatar?

 

[twebber55]

Am I the only one who can't really see the public staying interested through 4 sequels? This isn't Star Wars we're talking about. I know the original Avatar made a lot of money, but I feel like the public will tire of this series. I could be wrong.

well logically i find it hard to believe that J Cameron making a sequel of an enormously successful movie would fail
even if it draws half the people which will be easy to do it will make 1.4 billion
Internationally its huge
JMO

 

[lockedoutlogic]

well logically i find it hard to believe that J Cameron making a sequel of an enormously successful movie would fail
even if it draws half the people which will be easy to do it will make 1.4 billion
Internationally its huge
JMO

They'd sing for 1.4 now...it would be foolish not too...

That's likely the ceiling...

This is gonna "sputter" to 200-300 mil in the US...my prediction.

 

[twebber55]

They'd sing for 1.4 now...it would be foolish not too...

That's likely the ceiling...

This is gonna "sputter" to 200-300 mil in the US...my prediction.

my guess 300-400 million domestic
1 billion internationally
i ve learned to never doubt James Cameron

 

[jknezek]

Based on why you have seen...rate the franchise potential on a scale of 1-10 for avatar?

In 2009 I'd have given it a 9 or 10. Now, maybe a 7. If Pandora at Disney becomes huge and builds buzz, I'd give it an 8 or 9. If the first sequel is good and on time? 9 to 10 again because people will keep coming back. Look, Cameron is a huge name. His major projects lists have pretty much been all hits. Several spawning franchises. Avatar is his baby. I just don't see him making a bad SciFi movie, and if it is good, people will flock to it. He is always at the cutting edge of special effects, and that is what you spend the big bucks to see in a movie theater as opposed to waiting to see it on the small screen at home. So I really don't see it as a huge gamble, other than the original has gone stale due to the ridiculous lag.

Here are the movies he has been both director and writer on according to Wikipedia

Xenogenesis 1978
Piranha II: The Spawning 1981
The Terminator 1984
Aliens 1986
The Abyss 1989
Terminator 2: Judgment Day 1991
True Lies 1994
Titanic 1997
Ghosts of the Abyss 2003 (Documentary)
Avatar 2009

Which of these movies that he wrote and directed, as he is doing with the Avatar sequels, has you questioning his ability to make a good sci fi movie with a strong following? I mean, I get questioning 1978 and 1981, but after that? These are all huge hits, except maybe the documentary. I have no idea if that was a hit for a documentary or not. The man makes good movies when he has control, and only good movies.

 

[twebber55]

In 2009 I'd have given it a 9 or 10. Now, maybe a 7. If Pandora at Disney becomes huge and builds buzz, I'd give it an 8 or 9. If the first sequel is good and on time? 9 to 10 again because people will keep coming back. Look, Cameron is a huge name. His major projects lists have pretty much been all hits. Several spawning franchises. Avatar is his baby. I just don't see him making a bad SciFi movie, and if it is good, people will flock to it. He is always at the cutting edge of special effects, and that is what you spend the big bucks to see in a movie theater as opposed to waiting to see it on the small screen at home. So I really don't see it as a huge gamble, other than the original has gone stale due to the ridiculous lag.

Here are the movies he has been both director and writer on according to Wikipedia

Xenogenesis 1978
Piranha II: The Spawning 1981
The Terminator 1984
Aliens 1986
The Abyss 1989
Terminator 2: Judgment Day 1991
True Lies 1994
Titanic 1997
Ghosts of the Abyss 2003 (Documentary)
Avatar 2009

Which of these movies that he wrote and directed, as he is doing with the Avatar sequels, has you questioning his ability to make a good sci fi movie with a strong following? I mean, I get questioning 1978 and 1981, but after that? These are all huge hits, except maybe the documentary. I have no idea if that was a hit for a documentary or not. The man makes good movies when he has control, and only good movies.

agreed
as Patrick Henry once said
"I know of no way of judging for future but by the past"

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Avatar had no licensing tie ins and hardly anyone can remember a damn thing about it today...

A 7/10?

Jeez...real "forgiving" aren't ya?

 

[jknezek]

Avatar had no licensing tie ins and hardly anyone can remember a damn thing about it today...

A 7/10?

Jeez...real "forgiving" aren't ya?

It's kind of a simple bet. Cameron makes good movies. Good movies make a lot of money. There were 10 movies in the list I gave you. The first two... well, sometimes a young director does what he can get paid to do. 7 of the next 8 (not counting the documentary), huge hits. Every single one. Both Titantic and Avatar were the highest grossing movie (current dollars, single release) of all time at the time of release. You are kidding yourself giving a Cameron movie, based on a property that already grossed a ton and has a home with Disney, anything less than a 70% chance of being a success. This isn't "Mars Needs Moms" or "John Carter", this is James Cameron and a property that proved itself once. Cameron fans, sci fi fans, and Disney people will all come out to see it, and that is a built in market. I'm guessing we will get a re-release of the original in the prelude to build steam as well. It's not a sure thing, but it's a darn good bet.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

It's kind of a simple bet. Cameron makes good movies. Good movies make a lot of money. There were 10 movies in the list I gave you. The first two... well, sometimes a young director does what he can get paid to do. 7 of the next 8 (not counting the documentary), huge hits. Every single one. Both Titantic and Avatar were the highest grossing movie (current dollars, single release) of all time at the time of release. You are kidding yourself giving a Cameron movie, based on a property that already grossed a ton and has a home with Disney, anything less than a 70% chance of being a success. This isn't "Mars Needs Moms" or "John Carter", this is James Cameron and a property that proved itself once. Cameron fans, sci fi fans, and Disney people will all come out to see it, and that is a built in market. I'm guessing we will get a re-release of the original in the prelude to build steam as well. It's not a sure thing, but it's a darn good bet.

I think the sequels will be financially successful but will diminish in popularity each time...

And I wouldn't look for 2.0 at animal kingdom...so no hogwarts express

 

[jknezek]

I think the sequels will be financially successful but will diminish in popularity each time...

And I wouldn't look for 2.0 at animal kingdom...so no hogwarts express

I think it's 100% dependent on the quality of the movies, but you could be correct. I still think they are a success which was the original question. Disney doesn't need to copy Universal. They need to be innovative in their own ways.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

I think it's 100% dependent on the quality of the movies, but you could be correct. I still think they are a success which was the original question. Disney doesn't need to copy Universal. They need to be innovative in their own ways.

Except...they really haven't tried at all...

 

[jknezek]

Except...they really haven't tried at all...

An issue for a different board. But I agree it has been a while since WDW got an innovative ride. Maybe the Mickey in GMR rumor will provide a solution. Or something in EPCOT if it ever gets around to being updated. I don't really see anything in Pandora, SWE, or TSL that really feels innovative in ride type. Though the immersion in Pandora and SWE could be the innovative component all on its own. We will see.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

An issue for a different board. But I agree it has been a while since WDW got an innovative ride. Maybe the Mickey in GMR rumor will provide a solution. Or something in EPCOT if it ever gets around to being updated. I don't really see anything in Pandora, SWE, or TSL that really feels innovative in ride type. Though the immersion in Pandora and SWE could be the innovative component all on its own. We will see.

Anyway that's NOT an onimover/flatride?

As for the others...simulator, simulator and more simulator...or more flat rides.

 

[jknezek]

Rumor is trackless. So I'd assume a flatride but possibly not an omnimover. You aren't getting a coaster or thrill ride.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Nor would i want one...

But they go from zero trackless to its looking like 5 in the next ten years...

Overuse, no?

 

[jknezek]

Nor would i want one...

But they go from zero trackless to its looking like 5 in the next ten years...

Overuse, no?

They have to build a ride using some system. If you don't want more omnimovers, more boat rides, more trackless there isn't much left. How many omnimovers are there? I consider trackless the next evolution of that system which is the dominant flat ride/dark ride system at amusement and theme parks globally. Having a few trackless rides spread over a couple parks in FL, when there are only a couple globally right now, still makes it a pretty under-utilized system. Heck, there are more omnimovers at MK than trackless rides globally as far as I know. So no, I don't think overuse is the correct thought here.

 

[BuckeyeBama]

I love Avatar! Can't wait for the sequels!