Aulani - with current incentives......

[macman123]

I snagged Aulani for $77 per point resale last year and I'm kicking myself for not buying more then! I'm west coast so Aulani makes sense for me but more than just visiting, it fetches a decent amount per point on the rental market and it is not uncommon to have renters seeking 200+ points for one stay. I think Aulani is a great value.

Agreed. I had that 150 points SSR taken. There are others around the $130pp. But I might as well spent $3 a point extra and go direct.

I was going to get another 350 points direct anyway, but if I change to AUL I may end up getting another 500 direct before prices do increase as I suspect they might early next year.

Or I could wait for VGF2 but I see that being around $250pp before incentives.

 

[Blizzyblizz]

What type of rooms do you usually book? I would be after 1BR's

We're usually in a 2-bedroom, but I think a 1-bedroom would be similar. I just checked for one week at the 7-month mark right now (6/19-26/22), and every single WDW DVC resort has availability of some kind. They all also have 1bds available that week, except Poly which doesn't have 1bds.

 

[Paul Stupin]

Never would I thought that going direct will almost be the same price as resale. Unless you can find a subsidized Aulani contract, there's almost no reason to buy Aulani resale right now over direct given this small price difference.

Great3

But there is a reason to buy Aulani resale. Many buyers aren’t looking to buy 300 points, and if you want less, the direct discount isn’t as good and resale becomes more viable.

 

[Great3]

But there is a reason to buy Aulani resale. Many buyers aren’t looking to buy 300 points, and if you want less, the direct discount isn’t as good and resale becomes more viable.

Yes, you are definitely correct there. Sorry about that. When I wrote what I wrote, I was thinking of buying 300 Aulani points or above. Obviously, you call can't read my mind, what's in my head at the time of writing, what I was thinking of. As you said, if you want < 300 points, the equation changes and arguments can be made for/against direct/resale.

Great3

 

[macman123]

But there is a reason to buy Aulani resale. Many buyers aren’t looking to buy 300 points, and if you want less, the direct discount isn’t as good and resale becomes more viable.

I wouldn’t buy 300 as one contract but two or three. As such you get incentives but easier to resell

 

[Paul Stupin]

I wouldn’t buy 300 as one contract but two or three. As such you get incentives but easier to resell

Yes, of course, so would I. But you’re still paying for 300 points.

 

[Gothemi]

I am tempted by this math for sleeparound points, but I just don't trust Aulani. I wouldn't be surprised at all if DVC announces tomorrow they are selling this property.

And I plan to resell, and this isn't the resort I want when it's time for me to sell. I'd rather have old, stable SSR.

Gotta say the sleeparound value is there for unrestricted points!

I have seen your replies on this site, and another, where you often mention DVC/DVD selling off Aulani, but do you have any evidence, Disney press releases or verified news to support this belief? I'm curious because I've never heard anything to this effect. I listen/attend shareholder meetings, DVC owners meetings and never even had a suspicion or hint of any potential sale of that property.

 

[Paul Stupin]

I have seen your replies on this site, and another, where you often mention DVC/DVD selling off Aulani, but do you have any evidence, Disney press releases or verified news to support this belief? I'm curious because I've never heard anything to this effect. I listen/attend shareholder meetings, DVC owners meetings and never even had a suspicion or hint of any potential sale of that property.

Neither have I. In my opinion, this kind of conjecture isn’t helpful.

 

[RoseGold]

Neither have I. In my opinion, this kind of conjecture isn’t helpful.

Most recent source of this speculation is Len Testa, but Aulani has a very checkered past. Maybe none of that matters if you just want to stay in a nice hotel, and all you bought was a hotel room, right? If I were buying a few decades of property interest tied to a bigger association, I would care. Maybe your crystal ball is different than mine -- and you think Aulani will be the jewel of DVC, sell out, and everyone will be dying for resale contracts like VGC.

DVC has changed directions and sold properties in the past, like NYC and Colorado. It's not like they ever promised any of us that everything would always be the same. Of course it will change over time.

 

[Gothemi]

Most recent source of this speculation is Len Testa, but Aulani has a very checkered past. Maybe none of that matters if you just want to stay in a nice hotel, and all you bought was a hotel room, right? If I were buying a few decades of property interest tied to a bigger association, I would care. Maybe your crystal ball is different than mine -- and you think Aulani will be the jewel of DVC, sell out, and everyone will be dying for resale contracts like VGC.

DVC has changed directions and sold properties in the past, like NYC and Colorado. It's not like they ever promised any of us that everything would always be the same. Of course it will change over time.

So then it appears there is no factual information to suggest Disney, DVC/DVD will be closing, selling or otherwise stepping away from Aulani any time soon.

As Len Testa, Jim Hill and a number of other Disney Fan/Reporters have pointed out in the past, Aulani is also a huge draw for tourist from Japan and China. Two very important markets for Disney.

The distinction between NYC and Colorado was that DVC/DVD did not build entire resort before changing direction. DVC/DVD also went into those projects with partners, which historically hasn't worked well for Disney when they don't get full control (Paris).

So please be considerate of those whose Aulani resale contracts you might negatively impact, or those looking to buy Aulani or just be here looking for information when posting an unsupported belief.

 

[RoseGold]

So please be considerate of those whose Aulani resale contracts you might negatively impact, or those looking to buy Aulani or just be here looking for information when posting an unsupported belief.

My opinion about Aulani is just an opinion, worth what you paid for it. Go listen to Testa, if you want to hear justification with someone most consider quite credible. IMO, Aulani is the obvious example. Maybe you disagree? I'm OK with you saying whatever your opinion is. Maybe you think Aulani is going to sell out?

I plan to sell my contracts in 10 years, and Aulani is not what I want to be selling then, even if those points sure are looking cheap now.

 

[DonMacGregor]

I have seen your replies on this site, and another, where you often mention DVC/DVD selling off Aulani...

Repeatedly, ad nauseum.

 

[RoseGold]

Repeatedly, ad nauseum.

So don't believe me. I'm just an internet stranger. Take your contract to a lawyer, if you think they can't sell Aulani. This is a five figure commitment, you should understand what you are buying into.

So then it appears there is no factual information to suggest Disney, DVC/DVD will be closing, selling or otherwise stepping away from Aulani any time soon.

I've never seen an Aulani contract, but I did actually read VGF. Does the Aulani contract really say they can't sell it or leave BV trading?

 

[Jimmy Geppetto]

Len Testa also shared a rumour that Disney may be selling all of DVC, based on a "credible" friend, who's friend "over heard" investment bankers talking about Disney selling DVC at a New York restaurant over lunch.

Four layers of "telephone" later, and it hits the airwaves on his podcast. Not to mention he discusses it for less than 90 seconds near the end of the podcast.

Anyone with experience in Investment Banking or Private Equity firms know that major projects get "code names" and its not openly discussed at a New York restaurant in the middle of lunch hour.

My crystal ball says #clickbait. And it worked!

 

[Gothemi]

Len Testa also shared a rumour that Disney may be selling all of DVC, based on a "credible" friend, who's friend "over heard" investment bankers talking about Disney selling DVC at a New York restaurant over lunch.

My crystal ball says #clickbait. And it worked!

Bingo. Far too much speculation and reading into things. Never met a banker who was that careless.

If you don't like Aulani, that's OK. But let us not breed discontent and misinformation.

 

[DonMacGregor]

So don't believe me. I'm just an internet stranger. Take your contract to a lawyer, if you think they can't sell Aulani. This is a five figure commitment, you should understand what you are buying into.

I don’t really care if they can or can’t sell any of the resorts. I never said they couldn’t, but thanks for another straw man. It’s unlikely to happen, and if it does it will probably be HHI or VB.

Maybe, for some of us, the money we spend on our contracts isn’t such a point of constant concern that we need exit strategies, and constant fretting over what will or will not happen based on unsubstantiated rumors, or what will possibly happen decades down the road. If DVC collapses totally in 10 years, I won’t be losing any sleep, and my financial situation will be entirely unaffected.

 

[Gothemi]

I've never seen an Aulani contract, but I did actually read VGF. Does the Aulani contract really say they can't sell it or leave BV trading?

Not that anybody brought this up...but it's called an option in legal terms. Yes, BVTC has the option to terminate for various causes....it's also because the laws in Hawaii as they relate to timeshares are different than Florida. Florida is a leasehold condominium vs a condominium and vacation ownership plan in Hawaii. So they are not an apples to apples legal comparison.

Additionally, ALL DVC resorts have an option or provision to cease due to many reasons, including "casualty or eminent domain action where the unit is not reconstructed or replaced". Think hurricane.

Again, you imply DVC/DVD/Disney might sell Aulani, but have no evidence to support your allegation. It's borderline fear mongering for the sake of argument or maybe because you don't like Aulani.

 

[RoseGold]

Again, you imply DVC/DVD/Disney might sell Aulani, but have no evidence to support your allegation.

That isn't what I said at all. I said I wouldn't be surprised if it got sold.

I also wouldn't be surprised if DVC sold of VB or HHI. I don't think that's a uncommon position. Buy whatever you want, it's your money. If you want to buy Aulani, do it. After all, we're just buying hotel rooms at our home resorts. It's what we all agreed, right?

 

[Drewski77]

Whatever Disney might or might not be losing on Aulani, it would pale in comparison to the hit on the Disney/DVC Brand by selling Aulani to another developer.

And with building DLT and just getting ready to sell VGF2, Disney is firmly committed to DVC and won’t tarnish the brand by selling off Aulani.

 

[Paul Stupin]

That isn't what I said at all. I said I wouldn't be surprised if it got sold.

I also wouldn't be surprised if DVC sold of VB or HHI. I don't think that's a uncommon position. Buy whatever you want, it's your money. If you want to buy Aulani, do it. After all, we're just buying hotel rooms at our home resorts. It's what we all agreed, right?

Opinions are opinions, but I just don’t understand the campaign of nonstop negativity.