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Dh is being transferred to Saint Louis. But we live in Ontario, Canada!!! I know almost nothing about the area. We have elementary school-aged kids. Dh will be working in Creve-Coeur. Would some kind soul please PM me if they have any recommendations for school, neighbourhoods & ballet schools? Thanks!!!
 
I don't live in St. Louis but visit my parents there frequently. They live in O'Fallon, MO (there is an O'Fallon, IL too). I like the area, you have everything you need right there and it doesn't seem very far to where your DH will be working. If you are Catholic, we really like the Catholic Church there too.
 
St. Louis is divided in a really unique way. You have the county of St. Louis City ("the city"), and then you have St. Louis County ("the county").

We live in "the city" and we love it. It's (obviously) urban, good (not great) public transportation system, and really culturally diverse. But city dwelling also has its drawbacks. St. Louis City public schools are not the best.
If your DH will be working in Creve Coeur and you are looking specifically for good school districts, there are many areas of St. Louis County that have really great schools. Creve Coeur itself is a great area and has good schools.
Other nearby areas within St. Louis County with good schools: Webster Groves and Kirkwood are the areas that would be the closest to Creve Coeur and have excellent schools. A little further from Creve Coeur (but closer to "the city") would be Ladue and Clayton. These are all really nice areas to live, relatively short commute to work for your husband, and close enough to the city that you could still take advantage of all of the wonderful things that St. Louis has to offer.

I know this wasn't really detailed, and I don't have statistics on the schools, but hopefully it helps out a little.
Here is a website that has links to all of the county school districts' websites:
http://activerain.com/blogsview/358722/st-louis-county-school-districts


ETA: OH! And I'm sure there are many Ballet schools you could choose from in the St. Louis area, but my DD3 takes ballet at COCA. We LOVE the place, and they have classes for all styles of dance at all levels, as well as classes in other fine arts as well.
Here's their website:
http://www.cocastl.org/index.cfm

Also, the post above mentions O'Fallon, MO. It is a great area with great schools, but sort of on the "outskirts" of St. Louis County, and would be a slightly longer commute for your husband to work.
AND...Just for your research purposes, Creve Coeur is part of the Parkway school district.

LOL..Ok I think I'm done adding stuff.
 
I work in Creve Coeur. (BTW, since you're Canadian, let me warn you that St. Louisans pronounce that in their own unique [ok, wrong] way: it's CREEVE COOR.) Trust me, if you can avoid it, you don't want to commute between here and the south side of the city of St. Louis (I've been doing it for 16 years, so I know) -- there is no good route between the two points, so it makes for a horrendous commute with a lot of traffic issues.

Creve Coeur is quite large. It stretches from the Monsanto campus on the east to Maryville University's campus on the west. This map will show you the zip codes that are covered: http://www.zipmap.net/Missouri/St._Louis_County/Creve_Coeur.htm
Monsanto's campus is in the upper right corner of the city, at the corner of Olive and Warson.

COCA is usually considered the best ballet school in the area; it is located in University City. Dance St. Louis is our major professional company, and here is the list of schools that offer their master classes (generally a good indicator that they are serious): http://www.dancestlouis.org/edu_member.htm

OK, here's a bit more that you might find useful. As ChrizJen mentioned, the City is separate from the County. However, it's more complicated than that. St. Louis County contains 93 municipalities (and 25 school districts). Most of these small municipalities have their own government services, and thus must be differentiated as you think about things like taxes, libraries, rec centers, snow removal and trash collection. Locals tend to divide the county into sectors: North, South, West, and Central. North is anything outside the City limits and above Page Avenue. West is anything outside the I-270 loop that is south of I-70 and north of I-44. Central county is anything between the City limits and I-270 that is south of I-70 and north of I-44. South County is anything outside the City limits that is south of I-44 EXCEPT Shrewsbury, Webster Groves and most of Kirkwood, three towns which I-44 bisects -- for that reason they are generally considered part of the Central county area.

As a very general rule of thumb, the most desirable real estate in the County is the part of Central County that is south of Olive Blvd. This includes the two highest-rated school districts: Clayton and Ladue. Next-most desirable is Webster or Kirkwood. After that, West county, then South, then the Northern parts of Central, and finally North. Central and West county are perceived to be more white-collar. and North and South county are perceived to be more working-class (not really true, of course, but that is what the general perception is.) Going out into neighboring counties, you have St. Charles County on the north and west, Jefferson County on the South, and the Illinois suburbs across the river to the East. (Having worked in this area for some years, I can tell you that there are a LOT of people who work in Creve Coeur and live in the Alton, Illinois area, though I personally would find that an unpleasantly long commute; it involves driving north from here and crossing the river on I-270.)
 

Since the previous poster left of Rockwood School District I would say that it is also a sought after district. Wildwood is a popular area, along with Chesterfield & Ballwin.

I might choose Wentzville over O'Fallon personally, if you go out that way. I just prefer the growth they are having there as opposed to O'Fallon.

My kids have been in Wentzville, Fort Zumwalt, then we moved to TX & moved back, and now we are here in Rockwood.

For me I choose Rockwood District because we could afford this area & I liked how the school was set up for my 13yodd. Perfect fit.:thumbsup2

Ladue, Town and Country, Clayton, & Chesterfield are home areas out of my price range. I don't know anything about South/West County. Can't help you there.
 
Since the previous poster left of Rockwood School District I would say that it is also a sought after district. Wildwood is a popular area, along with Chesterfield & Ballwin.

I might choose Wentzville over O'Fallon personally, if you go out that way. I just prefer the growth they are having there as opposed to O'Fallon.

My kids have been in Wentzville, Fort Zumwalt, then we moved to TX & moved back, and now we are here in Rockwood.

For me I choose Rockwood District because we could afford this area & I liked how the school was set up for my 13yodd. Perfect fit.:thumbsup2

Ladue, Town and Country, Clayton, & Chesterfield are home areas out of my price range. I don't know anything about South/West County. Can't help you there.

Doesn't Fort Zumwalt have the highest per capita rate of teen pregnancy in the nation?
 
Doesn't Fort Zumwalt have the highest per capita rate of teen pregnancy in the nation?

Ft. Zumwalt is a big district; it covers a lot of ground in socioeconomic terms, and it has 4 high schools. It is one of the districts in St. Charles County.

Wildwood is WAY out in far West St. Louis county. Parts of Rockwood are closer in, but all of it is firmly in the outer bands of West County. For either ChrizJen or myself, Rockwood is a LONG way from home, but Mystery Machine is a die-hard suburbanite, to judge from past posts.

The OP didn't really tell us what her style is, so it's hard to make recommendations in terms of things her family would like, other than the dance issue. The breakdown I gave was not so much in terms of popularity but in terms of property values. Even in West County prices go down when you get really far out beyond the I-270 loop.

We also don't know what side of Creve Coeur her DH will be working in; from the west side the near edge of Rockwood would be about a 20 minute commute, but from the East side it could easily top an hour, depending on his work schedule.
 
Thank-you everyone. It's a lot to take in! Thanks especially for thedance info:thumbsup2 Dd10 has taken ballet for 7 years so I have promised she will be able to continue her ballet.

I work in Creve Coeur. (BTW, since you're Canadian, let me warn you that St. Louisans pronounce that in their own unique [ok, wrong] way: it's CREEVE COOR.)

So I've heard...and I speak French so it'll be hard not to pronouce it the French Way! LOL I've also warned dd that people will tell her she talks like the moose in Brother Bear.
 
Ft. Zumwalt is a big district; it covers a lot of ground in socioeconomic terms, and it has 4 high schools. It is one of the districts in St. Charles County.

Wildwood is WAY out in far West St. Louis county. Parts of Rockwood are closer in, but all of it is firmly in the outer bands of West County. For either ChrizJen or myself, Rockwood is a LONG way from home, but Mystery Machine is a die-hard suburbanite, to judge from past posts.

The OP didn't really tell us what her style is, so it's hard to make recommendations in terms of things her family would like, other than the dance issue. The breakdown I gave was not so much in terms of popularity but in terms of property values. Even in West County prices go down when you get really far out beyond the I-270 loop.

We also don't know what side of Creve Coeur her DH will be working in; from the west side the near edge of Rockwood would be about a 20 minute commute, but from the East side it could easily top an hour, depending on his work schedule.

I don't know the Creve Coeur area well or any of the districts there. I was just pointing out what I know.:thumbsup2 I mean St. Charles County is OK. I could not stand the school curriculum for my dd. Not a good fit.

I am getting to know Webster/Kirkwood since we have moved out to Eureka. My DH works in Des Peres, not too bad and the school is a match for my dd.

Hoping to be DONE with the 'burbs as soon as my 13yod graduates.;)

OP I suggest looking at the middle/high school in your quest. There is a lack of higher level classes in some of the districts and you should pay attention to that if it is something you are looking for.

My neighbors were from Parkway and the district sounded pretty good from the classes that are offered. I don't know much about it personally.
 
Sorry guys-we're definitely looking more for the suburbs.Dh's office will be near Olive Blvd & 270. Hope that helps. I have 2 school-aged kids, so family-friendly is a big priorty. I'm looking for a neighbourhood where the parents are 40-something professionals and the neighbourhood has lots of ammenities for kids. At one time, dh and I lived in Toronto so we're not naive to large-city life but, at this stage of the game, we think: live in the burbs, commute to the city for culture, restaurants, pro sports games, etc.
 
Sorry guys-we're definitely looking more for the suburbs.Dh's office will be near Olive Blvd & 270. Hope that helps. I have 2 school-aged kids, so family-friendly is a big priorty. I'm looking for a neighbourhood where the parents are 40-something professionals and the neighbourhood has lots of ammenities for kids. At one time, dh and I lived in Toronto so we're not naive to large-city life but, at this stage of the game, we think: live in the burbs, commute to the city for culture, restaurants, pro sports games, etc.

I would have to say Chesterfield in Rockwood then. You are in the high 300-400,000'ish and up.

Unless you can afford Ladue, Clayton, or Town and Country. Which are above our pay grade. Clayton has the "top school" however very expensive.

Kirkwood and Webster is an older area, more expensive. I do not know much about it though.

St Charles is more affordable if you are looking in that direction. More house for your dollar.

Pay attention to boundaries and districts.
 
I gotta say the Dis was lots of help when we moved our family back to the midwest from CA. 5 years ago. I am gonna give a shout out for the Metro East.

My husband works in Earth City... which is at the 270/70 Hwys.. closer to St. Charles....

We live in the Metro East... Illinois, east of the Mississippi river. O'Fallon, IL. My dh commutes 45 minutes on either the 64/70... or 270/70. He works swing shift so the traffic is not bad. Dh says it is an ez commute. To be honest I don't find communting anywhere, any time in St. Louis to be horrible... but then we came from California.. where the Freeways are reminiscent of Parking lots at rush hour ;)

The Metro East communities of O'Fallon, Troy, Glen Carbon, Edwardsville ( SIU-E location) are most likely the communities in the metro east that you would enjoy. Home prices are down.. way down. Google us.. :) Welcome to St. Louis!
 
I would have to say Chesterfield in Rockwood then. You are in the high 300-400,000'ish and up.

Unless you can afford Ladue, Clayton, or Town and Country. Which are above our pay grade. Clayton has the "top school" however very expensive.

Kirkwood and Webster is an older area, more expensive. I do not know much about it though.

St Charles is more affordable if you are looking in that direction. More house for your dollar.

Pay attention to boundaries and districts.

Missouri is DIRT CHEEP to live in :lmao: I can't get over how low the house prices are there.
 
Ah, OK then. Your DH's office will be quite near mine. The area just east of there has some residential that would be the very closest in, and it's nice, but it happens to be one of the largest aged-in-place neighborhoods in the US -- it's almost like the Villages, but without golf carts. In your 40's you would be the young'uns on the block by a mile.

Ladue would work for you if you could afford it, probably, but the demographics tend to skew older in many cases. It's VERY pricey, though the schools are great (but the very wealthiest families that live there don't use them, they send their kids to private schools for the social connections.) You would be hard-pressed to find anything nice in Ladue for under $700K. (However, you CAN get into the Ladue school district at a bargain price if you're willing to take a smaller, older ranch home. The trick is buying in southern Olivette, which does not have its own schools, so the kids are in the Ladue schools. Nothing really wrong with Olivette, it's just all late-50's architecture and a bit blah.)

Honestly, I think that your best best may be Creve Coeur itself if your DH doesn't want a long commute; the western area outside I-270 has lots of very nice houses. (That will be Parkway schools.) The homes in western Creve Coeur were mostly built in the 80's. If you stay north near Olive, it won't be too difficult to get into UCity if you decide to send your DD to COCA for dance.

Western Kirkwood or parts of Town and Country would also be a good commute, straight down I-270. (Though fast may be a relative term; 270 southbound tends to very quickly become a parking lot if there is any kind of traffic incident at all.) Staying fairly close to Manchester Rd. keeps you close to the greatest array of shopping opportunities.

Note that Wildwood has no community parks at all. If you have a child in team sports that means that you'll won't be playing near home. For the most kid-friendly amenities, I'd recommend trying the the western edge of Kirkwood, as it is an older community with a very established infrastructure.
(The architecture is more interesting there, too.)

If you are mostly looking for a house price from the mid-200K's to around 300K, you are probably going to want to start looking in the school districts of Kirkwood, Parkway Central or the northeast edge of Rockwood, and maybe Parkway West. The biggest real estate brokerage in the metro area is Gundaker (you may already have heard their name mentioned if your DH is getting a relocation package -- they have a big department), and if you go to their website you can look at listings by school district. www.cbgundaker.com.

If you need to go significantly cheaper your best bet would be either St. Charles or some parts of North County. North County has some areas that are a serious mess, but Maryland Heights is fine, particularly the part of it in Parkway North School District. There are also still some nice areas in Bridgeton, and old downtown Ferguson is gentrifying very fast right now (my DH grew up there.)
 
In other words we are saying do not look at North County. I grew up there. Most people send their kids to Catholic school in that area. It has a lot of crime.

St. Louis has a lot of Catholics if you did not know. If you are looking for a Catholic school, plenty to choose from. We have a lot of Catholic High Schools.

Bottom line for me is looking at the MS/HS curriculum for the house you want if you are looking for something specific in a school. It does vary a lot!
 
Doesn't Fort Zumwalt have the highest per capita rate of teen pregnancy in the nation?

I don't know for a fact, but I find this hard to believe. I live in O'fallon, FZ school district. I don't see many pregnant teens nor do I hear of them. My kids are in middle and elelmentary, but I see and hear things, and high rates of pregnancy is not one of them.

To the original poster: I agree, stay away from North St. Louis County. Closest to where your husband works, I would go for Rockwood, although now that I think about it, St. Charles County isn't really that far from Creve Coeur, especially with a newer highway/bridge that doesn't get a lot of traffic. I can speak for my area in O'fallon MO....lots of children, friendly people, neighbors who are out and socialize with one another :) Good luck in your searches and feel free to ask more questions!
 
Thanks everyone!!! You are definitely helping. Seems like Creve Coeur, Kirkwood, Chesterfield, Ballwin or St. Charles are the best bets. The mid 200K-300K is about the right range for us. I think we'll be hard-pressed to find something we like in Kirkwood for that. We get more house for the money in Saint Charles, but how is that for commute?

Much as COCA looks great, it seems a lot more intense than wehat she's doing now. I want a good ballet-specific school, preferrably where she can continue with her ballet exams. I have emails in to East-West Ballet School, Alexandra Ballet School & St. Louis School of Ballet.
 
The issue with commuting to St. Charles county (and the metro East as well) is that you are dealing with a bridge crossing no matter which way you approach it. These days that usually is not too much of a problem, but as with bridges everywhere, if there is a wreck on it you're gonna be sitting for a while.

Both the I-70 bridge (the Blanchette) and the I-64 bridge (the Daniel Boone) are high bridges, they don't go up and close the roadway. However, the Daniel Boone isn't really up to the traffic that uses it, and there are normally backups there nearly every afternoon going westbound. The "new bridge" that a PP mentioned is the Mo364 bridge, known locally as the Page Avenue Extension. If you look at your map you'll see that Page is the next-north main E-W thoroughfare up I-270 from Olive, so if you target the area of St. Charles County that is near 364 (primarily the south side of St. Peters), that would be the best commute out of St. Louis county.
 
Thanks everyone!!! You are definitely helping. Seems like Creve Coeur, Kirkwood, Chesterfield, Ballwin or St. Charles are the best bets. The mid 200K-300K is about the right range for us. I think we'll be hard-pressed to find something we like in Kirkwood for that. We get more house for the money in Saint Charles, but how is that for commute?

Much as COCA looks great, it seems a lot more intense than wehat she's doing now. I want a good ballet-specific school, preferrably where she can continue with her ballet exams. I have emails in to East-West Ballet School, Alexandra Ballet School & St. Louis School of Ballet.

Commuting sucks, of course.;) As PP says, you have to cross over the bridge.

Oh since you are shopping St. Louis I can turn you on to this site!!!!:woohoo:

http://stlouis.blockshopper.com/sales/
 


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