Asking for id for a three year old

[bellarella]

I do have to disagree with the statement "Placid acceptance of wrong doing is just as bad as doing it yourself." I'm a bit offended by this, I have to admit. To me, it sounds like you believe that I would do the same in the situation. I wouldn't. And I never said I accepted it. I simply acknowledged the opinions and experience of another, respectfully. Sometimes we just have to agree to disagree.

From an ethical point of view I totally agree with this statement of the other poster. It is right along the lines of the one that says all that evil needs is for good men to do nothing. If you casually stood next to someone as they were killing someone and did nothing you would be just as guilty. Just because the "crime" is less doesn't change the ethics involved. Inaction is not morally neutral. The choice to not act or intervene is just as much an action as the choice to actively do something. Just because you wouldn't actually do that thing doesn't make it better if you choose to stand by when others do.

There really isn't much to argue about the facts. Saying a child is 2 when they are 3 is lying. There isn't anything to debate. Bringing a child in to Disney who is over 3 without purchasing a ticket is stealing. Again, nothing to debate. It's a matter of law. You can try to *justify* breaking the law and lying, but you don't get to deny that lying and stealing is taking place.

 

[tjmw2727]

That is an idea. Since rides are based on height and I think the idea behind free admission is because they don't get to do as much stuff. But my problem with that is that just because they are taller doesn't mean they'd be ready to actually ride those rides.

True - but this can be said for any type of admission structure. My 12yo actually rides less than my 9yo at WDW but she pays more. They are both tall enough to ride everything in the 4 major parks but yet my 9yo still gets the discount.

FWIW I do like the idea of a pricing structure based on height because height is an imposed restriciton. If a child is under 40 they can not ride XX but if a child is over 40" they can - if they (or the parents) choose to.

We visited a water park last summer and my youngest dd just missed the height for the most expensive ticket. I soon saw why - there were only a very few slides she could ride that she was interested in. For a 9yo she is small and the kiddie slides were not fun for her so she was restricted from the slides she wanted to ride. In this case the discount was warrented. OTOH if she were taller and had to pay the high price and then decided she didn't want to ride - then its her (or our) choice not an imposed restriction.

TJ

 

[tjmw2727]

I do have to disagree with the statement "Placid acceptance of wrong doing is just as bad as doing it yourself." I'm a bit offended by this, I have to admit. To me, it sounds like you believe that I would do the same in the situation. I wouldn't. And I never said I accepted it. I simply acknowledged the opinions and experience of another, respectfully. Sometimes we just have to agree to disagree.

I disagree with your disagreement,

And so now would my dd who recently received a de-merit for being at a lunch table where a few children were throwing chicken nuggets. The children at the table who did not participate but did nothing to stop the throwing and/or didn't get help were gulity as well. My dd of course thought it was very unfair until we had a talk, now she gets it.

To address your post - I know my dd would never throw a nugget and so does her teacher but she also knew it was wrong and did nothing. Knowing Disney requires admission for 3yo's I can't post on a message board saying otherwise but do believe I have been respectful.

TJ

 

[FayeW]

There are a lot of gray areas for me, but ticket prices isn't one of them! My son turned 10 a month before our last trip. While I completely begrudged having to pay the additional cost for his tickets, we did buy him the adult tickets he required.

I agree about the pricing based on height, although when I suggested it here on the boards about 3 yrs ago I got flamed mightily!

 

[CampbellScot]

I disagree with your disagreement,

And so now would my dd who recently received a de-merit for being at a lunch table where a few children were throwing chicken nuggets. The children at the table who did not participate but did nothing to stop the throwing and/or didn't get help were gulity as well. My dd of course thought it was very unfair until we had a talk, now she gets it.

To address your post - I know my dd would never throw a nugget and so does her teacher but she also knew it was wrong and did nothing. Knowing Disney requires admission for 3yo's I can't post on a message board saying otherwise but do believe I have been respectful.

TJ

Wow TJ! I just have to applaud your dd's school. It is about time that schools start addressing this issue! I'm sorry your dd got a demerit...but I'll bet she will NEVER make that mistake again. That is a hard lesson to learn, but a very important one. My step daughter was very angry with her father and me when she was in just as much trouble as her brother was when she watched him wipe Floam (a horrible sticky messy compound) all over the wall. When she protested "I didn't do anything"...her father and I said "EXACTLY. You did nothing." Boy oh boy does she open her mouth quick now when little brother decides he's going to do something naughty. She always prefaces it with "I'm not tattling...I'm TELLING"

I'm honestly thrilled to know that there are so many people on these boards who are just as disgusted with the rampant rule breaking as I am!

YAY DISERS!!!

 

[djm99]

You should be honest, but let's be "real" - how much is that 3 year old going to hurt (directly or indirectly) by getting in "FREE". I've read so many don't teach your kids to lie posts but most of US teach our kids to lie and steal EVERYDAY. "Tell the bill collector or Cousin Betty I'm busy or in the bathroom". We steal everytime we go get coffee and take more condiments (to keep in our desks) for later use - or taken home office supplies or called in sick to take care of personal business - still a lie!!! And some companies will argue theft, just because you have the days doesn't mean you use them just to be using them. Think about it!!! We lie every time we tell our children it’s a Santa Clause, the tooth fairy, the Easter bunny and so on and on and on. A lie is a lie - doesn't matter how big or small, or who we hurt directly or indirectly - it’s all a lie.

I'm by no mean for or against the lie of the 3 year old, its your decision - but understand the possible consequences and the next time your child or children are caught in a lie. Is it worth the contradictory conversation - don't lie little Billy - except when its for fun (Christmas, tooth fairy) or to save a buck or two, its okay to lie then. Do whatever you can to sleep at night. If you are okay "re-teaching" your now 3 years old that he/she is 2 - go ahead - but "keep it real" the next time when little Billy tells you a lie!!!!

 

[beattyfamily]

You should be honest, but let's be "real" - how much is that 3 year old going to hurt (directly or indirectly) by getting in "FREE". I've read so many don't teach your kids to lie posts but most of US teach our kids to lie EVERYDAY. "Tell the bill collector or Cousin Betty I'm busy or in the bathroom". We lie every time we tell our children it’s a Santa Clause, the tooth fairy, the Easter bunny and so on and on and on. A lie is a lie - doesn't matter how big or small, or who we hurt directly or indirectly - it’s all a lie.

I'm by no mean for or against the lie of the 3 year old, its your decision - but understand the possible consequences and the next time your child or children are caught in a lie. Is it worth the contradictory conversation - don't lie little Billy - except when its for fun (Christmas, tooth fairy) or to save a buck or two, its okay to lie then. Do whatever you can to sleep at night. If you are okay "re-teaching" your now 3 years old that he/she is 2 - go ahead - but "keep it real" the next time when little Billy tells you a lie!!!!

Wow, that's actually a new one. Santa Claus = the same as sneaking in a 3 year old and saving $300! Thanks for the laugh.

 

[maxiesmom]

I'm just wondering when it became a personal decision to pay for admission to Disney World? Maybe I should try and use that line the next time I go get gas for my car. Think the gas station would go for it?

 

[sha_lyn]

You should be honest, but let's be "real" - how much is that 3 year old going to hurt (directly or indirectly) by getting in "FREE". I've read so many don't teach your kids to lie posts but most of US teach our kids to lie and steal EVERYDAY. "Tell the bill collector or Cousin Betty I'm busy or in the bathroom". We steal everytime we go get coffee and take more condiments (to keep in our desks) for later use - or taken home office supplies or called in sick to take care of personal business - still a lie!!!

"Most of Us" would not include me. I have never asked my kids to lie for me, and I never will. I don't take home extra condiments to use for later. I've never taken anything (such as office supplies) from a job. If I called in to work for personal business, I told the just that, I had personal business to take care of. Just because you have chosen to live your live that way does not mean that many people do.

 

[djm99]

Wow, that's actually a new one. Santa Claus = the same as sneaking in a 3 year old and saving $300! Thanks for the laugh.

See you a minimizing the lie - its still a lie. You are just comfortable with the Santa Claus lie!!! One of the more celebrated lies ever told - yet still a lie. You are placing a value ($300 on a Disney ticket), yet not that of a kids feelings. Some children are immediately devastated when they find out (I was) – they (as did I) get over it, might not even be a big deal. Just like it will not be a big deal if this child (that no one will know about) is getting in free. Don't minimize the Santa Clause lie, accept it for what it is - A LIE!!!! Its just tradition!!

 

[beattyfamily]

See you a minimizing the lie - its still a lie. You are just comfortable with the Santa Claus lie!!! One of the more celebrated lies ever told - yet still a lie. You are placing a value ($300 on a Disney ticket), yet not that of a kids feelings. Some children are immediately devastated when they find out (I was) – they (as did I) get over it, might not even be a big deal. Just like it will not be a big deal if this child (that no one will know about) is getting in free. Don't minimize the Santa Clause lie, accept it for what it is - A LIE!!!! Its just tradition!!

What ever you need to say to feel better about stealing from Disney. I could care aless.

 

[djm99]

"Most of Us" would not include me. I have never asked my kids to lie for me, and I never will. I don't take home extra condiments to use for later. I've never taken anything (such as office supplies) from a job. If I called in to work for personal business, I told the just that, I had personal business to take care of. Just because you have chosen to live your live that way does not mean that many people do.

First of all, you are getting personal with someone you know NOTHING about. I don't - and have NEVER worked in an office, I work in a school - I bring more items to work with me - since supplies are VERY limited. I don't have to call in sick, see teachers simply have to say, “I need a PTO (part time off)” we are NOT given sick days only personal time off - no need for me to lie. I don't choose to live my life like anything I wrote about, but what I've observed over the years. I must have written something that struck a cord with you - because you are trying to make this personal. I wrote about general situations. Lets not be caddy.

 

[djm99]

What ever you need to say to feel better about stealing from Disney. I could care aless.

In truth, if you didn't care you would not keep responding. Its like you didn't read my first post. I wrote that lying is WRONG - in ANY capacity - Disney, your kids, your aunt, bill collectors, your taxes, etc. I'm simply responding to all those that appear to be passing judgment on the OP. Look in your own closet of lies before you run to condemn a person for asking a question. You can see the OP is new. Say no - don't do - go on!!!

 

[djm99]

What ever you need to say to feel better about stealing from Disney. I could care aless.

In truth, if you didn't care you would not keep responding. Its like you didn't read my first post. I wrote that lying is WRONG - in ANY capacity - Disney, your kids, your aunt, bill collectors, your taxes, etc. I'm simply responding to all those that appear to be passing judgment on the OP. Look in your own closet of lies before you run to condemn a person for asking a question. You can see the OP is new. Say no - don't do it - next post!!!

 

[DisneyBridetoBe08]

They do not ask the age of toddlers. I have a friend who got her child in to the parks for the entire year without having to pay after he turned 3 including MNSHP. He's older now and has an AP. As for the fastpasses the young ones without tickets do not need one. At least never for us.

 

[tjmw2727]

They do not ask the age of toddlers. I have a friend who got her child in to the parks for the entire year without having to pay after he turned 3 including MNSHP. He's older now and has an AP. As for the fastpasses the young ones without tickets do not need one. At least never for us.

How can you say that? Even though they didn't ask your friend they most certainly do ask. As I posted prior both my neice and nephew were asked their age and more than once. My nephew was asked a few times during the trip when he was still two and about average size. Just this past October we traveled with my neice who will turn three in July and despite being very small she was asked almost every time we entered or re-entered a park. In addition a few CM's did ask for her FP, my SIL just said that she is two and dosen't have a ticket after which they waived her along.

So it does happen -

TJ

 

[djm99]

I'm just wondering when it became a personal decision to pay for admission to Disney World? Maybe I should try and use that line the next time I go get gas for my car. Think the gas station would go for it?

It was never a personal decision to buy a Disney ticket, at age 3, its simply the right thing to do. Some just pick and choose when to do the right thing and then pick on others for doing the wrong thing - at the same time conveniently "forgetting" all the wrong they do. I'd love to be there the day you steal gas.

Some things are best said - unsaid - in truth the OP already knew at the very least that not buying a 3 yr old a ticket is NOT right!!! Plain - simple no wiggle room. He/She just wants to feel validated for thinking about doing the wrong thing. I think the OP has learned a quick lesson today!!!! OP, don't give up the disboards, there are really nice people but its a few subjects ya just don't bring up on the disboards. One you already know, others include 5 people in Value resort room, the use of refillable mugs at Resorts other the one you purchased your mug from, pool hopping, buying used mugs on ebay, and a few others I can't think of -------

 

[CampbellScot]

The OP was most definitely a troll...probably doesn't even have children...just stirring up trouble...

The fact is, Santa Claus and the belief in a tradition has nothing to do with not paying admission to a park for your child. The only way that would fly would be if people were stealing gifts in the name of Santa Claus...then maybe.

There is no argument. There is no way to validate, excuse or otherwise minimize lying about the age of your child to avoid paying for a ticket. It's stealing. It's wrong and it costs everyone in the end. The belief in Santa Claus does not.

This is not a personal attack. It is what it is. Stealing and condoning stealing. For someone who works in a school I would think that you would be just as frustrated with that sort of thing as the rest of us. You work very hard for your money I'm sure. Does it not bother you that prices go up every year b/c of stealing...services included?

There is no way to defend stealing. A belief in Santa Claus or not...

 

[alikat99]

This one is always an interesting topic and I'll just give my experience.

A few years ago, we were at Disney, renewing our annual passes and it was about a month before oldest DDs 3rd birthday. We were asking about whether or not we should buy her a certificate now, and just activate it after she turned 3 or whether we should just wait. Now, here's what the CM said to us "To be honest, I wouldn't buy her a ticket until the front gate CMs ask". So basically, the CM was actually saying to us - To be honest, LIE! For us, that wasn't acceptable, and we just purchased her annual pass the next time that we went to WDW after she was 3.

Now, we're coming back up on this same thing when my youngest turns 3. We will be sailing on DCL for her birthday celebration, and she will turn 3 the day that we disembark. Because she starts the cruise being 2, we only had to pay taxes & port charges. But, we will be going to WDW for 2 days, starting on her 3rd birthday. And, we will be buying her a ticket, on her 3rd birthday. Why? For one, because it's the right thing to do. Secondly, it's her birthday, and I want her to celebrate and be proud to be 3.

What kind of mom would I be to play down her birthday, so I could get her in for free, but if I went the day before, she would have been free????

 

[djm99]

The OP was most definitely a troll...probably doesn't even have children...just stirring up trouble...

The fact is, Santa Claus and the belief in a tradition has nothing to do with not paying admission to a park for your child. The only way that would fly would be if people were stealing gifts in the name of Santa Claus...then maybe.

There is no argument. There is no way to validate, excuse or otherwise minimize lying about the age of your child to avoid paying for a ticket. It's stealing. It's wrong and it costs everyone in the end. The belief in Santa Claus does not.

This is not a personal attack. It is what it is. Stealing and condoning stealing. For someone who works in a school I would think that you would be just as frustrated with that sort of thing as the rest of us. You work very hard for your money I'm sure. Does it not bother you that prices go up every year b/c of stealing...services included?

There is no way to defend stealing. A belief in Santa Claus or not...

Please read my post - being honest and doing the right thing is a STRONG belief of mine. I advise those to do the right thing, but do NOT condone those who do not. I'll leave the judgment to the best of judges - I am NOT HIM!!! Children don't just believe in Santa they are sold that lie, by parents, some schools, TV, family, etc. As parents, that lie is forced down their throats. I did not nor will I ever advocate stealing or LYING in ANY WAY!!!! I don't advocate lying about age for free admission or lying to your child, in the name of tradition, fun, sport and play. I don't know if you just don't want to admit it, you don't get it or you don’t want to get it - but a lie is a lie - telling your kids there is a Santa is a lie - no, its not stealing (maybe stealing there “innocence”) but no monetary amount is placed on the Santa lie. Santa is universally accepted - yes - BUT STILL a lie - no monetary theft - but lie. IMHO, my comparison is valid, just not in your eyes. Its not fair to pick and choose lies - just DON'T LIE AT ALL - FORCE THAT DOWN Disboards member THROATS!!!! You’ve just set in your mind (as plenty people do) that Santa and the tooth fairy are “good” tells……

The day my DD - who was 3 (a few months shy of 4) asked me who Santa was - I explained to her the legend then she asked the big question, “is he coming to our house”, my response (should I lie or not). I paused and looked a DH. I promised myself that when she asked I'd tell her the truth (confession: I wasn't thinking I'd get this question at three). I told her the truth. I told her the truth because I wanted her to know that telling the truth is always important, regardless of the circumstances. I didn't want to pick and choose lies for my baby. So me being okay with someone stealing admission - no - I’m just not jumping on the condoning cart!!!!

Ya know - I'm taking myself a little too serious here - I've forgotten the original OP statement...... I have laundry to do