Armanda Knox guilty---- again

[nugov2]

Time will tell.

BTW, amidst all their celebratory gushing over Ms. Knox, what ABC, USA Today and the Huffington Post aren't telling you is that Ms. Knox still has one legal issue hanging over her head.

As mentioned earlier on this thread, she erroneously accused bartender Patrick Lumumba of being involved in the slaying. He spent several weeks in jail after Knox accused him and he won a defamation suit against her, for which Knox was ordered to pay him about $54,000 in damages.

Despite receiving a lucrative $4 million advance from Harper Collins, Knox still hasn't paid Lumumba the money.

It is the Italian Police Dept. that should be responsible for that money. The interrogation of Amanda was wrong and they basically strong armed her into telling them whatever fantasy story they wanted to bring charges. I can't imagine the ordeal she went through and false confessions are coerced from people under those extreme situations a lot. From Lumumba's first hand experience with the Italian police and how poorly he was treated, he should have some understanding of what she went through. I don't blame Lumumba for hating Amanda, but the money shouldn't come from her. Who knows what will happen. I don't know the legalities of if she can be forced to pay him or if they will go back to court. I think since she has been cleared of wrong doing though, his case is a lot weaker and the chances she will have to pay are very slim.

 

[sunshinehighway]

It is the Italian Police Dept. that should be responsible for that money. The interrogation of Amanda was wrong and they basically strong armed her into telling them whatever fantasy story they wanted to bring charges. I can't imagine the ordeal she went through and false confessions are coerced from people under those extreme situations a lot. From Lumumba's first hand experience with the Italian police and how poorly he was treated, he should have some understanding of what she went through. I don't blame Lumumba for hating Amanda, but the money shouldn't come from her. Who knows what will happen. I don't know the legalities of if she can be forced to pay him or if they will go back to court. I think since she has been cleared of wrong doing though, his case is a lot weaker and the chances she will have to pay are very slim.

Oh come on. She fingered him and he spent several weeks in jail. His business was ruined and he ended up moving. Nobody made her repeatedly blame him.
His case isn't weaker because because of the latest decision in her trial.
It's amazing how people will defend any wrongs she's done. Several pro Amanda sites have some very unkind things to say about Lumumba. That's ridiculous.
What she did to him was wrong. There's no if, ands, or buts about that. That fact that anyone would argue he doesn't have a case or that it wasn't her fault says a lot about how far people go to defend her.

 

[nugov2]

Oh come on. She fingered him and he spent several weeks in jail. His business was ruined and he ended up moving. Nobody made her repeatedly blame him.
His case isn't weaker because because of the latest decision in her trial.
It's amazing how people will defend any wrongs she's done. Several pro Amanda sites have some very unkind things to say about Lumumba. That's ridiculous.
What she did to him was wrong. There's no if, ands, or buts about that. That fact that anyone would argue he doesn't have a case or that it wasn't her fault says a lot about how far people go to defend her.

She fingered him after hours and hours of interrogation and being slapped around. I didn't say he didn't have a case, but said b/c she has been exonerated it may help her case that she was interrogated unfairly and the blame falls on the PD instead of her. He deserves restitution...no doubt, but just not from her. It isn't like she was saying it was him from the get go. You have your opinion and I have mine. I get his anger towards her, but I think had it not been forced out of her she wouldn't have said it. We will never know though b/c you can't unring a bell. She was interrogated in a cruel way and said things that we will never know if she would have said otherwise.

Honestly, I don't know how anyone can say that she deserved to be interrogated in that manner. That is just cruel.

 

[sunshinehighway]

She fingered him after hours and hours of interrogation and being slapped around. I didn't say he didn't have a case, but said b/c she has been exonerated it may help her case that she was interrogated unfairly and the blame falls on the PD instead of her. He deserves restitution...no doubt, but just not from her. It isn't like she was saying it was him from the get go. You have your opinion and I have mine. I get his anger towards her, but I think had it not been forced out of her she wouldn't have said it. We will never know though b/c you can't unring a bell. She was interrogated in a cruel way and said things that we will never know if she would have said otherwise.

Honestly, I don't know how anyone can say that she deserved to be interrogated in that manner. That is just cruel.

You are blindly believing the stories spread by her PR team. She wasn't interrogated in a cruel way or slapped around. Really you should stop getting your "facts" from injustice in Perugia.
I understand you don't think she was guilty and that's fine. It's a murky case. The problem is you seem to blindly believe everything her supports have put out without understanding that it's not all true.

 

[nugov2]

You are blindly believing the stories spread by her PR team. She wasn't interrogated in a cruel way or slapped around. Really you should stop getting your "facts" from injustice in Perugia.
I understand you don't think she was guilty and that's fine. It's a murky case. The problem is you seem to blindly believe everything her supports have put out without understanding that it's not all true.

And you are guilty of blindly believing every slander site against her where the facts are equally skewed the other way...so hello pot And FYI my facts don't come from injustice in perugia. What site would or wouldn't be sufficient?

 

[sunshinehighway]

And you are guilty of blindly believing every slander site against her where the facts are equally skewed the other way...so hello pot And FYI my facts don't come from injustice in perugia. What site would or wouldn't be sufficient?

No I'm not. I read the court released Judge reports.
I can absolutely see and understand that it was never an open and shut case.
The thing is there is this fantasy which people defending her keep spinning and appear to fully believe. She was completely railroaded by an evil corrupt Italian justice system. There was absolutely no evidence against her. Anything she's said or done is the result of someone manipulating and abusing her. It's gone so far that she's not even responsible for making statements that ruined a completely innocent man's life. It's all about poor Amanda and what a victim she is. Everyone should have compassion and sympathy for her but none for anyone she hurt by her actions, by her lies, by the lengths her PR team and supporters have gone to defend her.

 

[dinolounger]

I have heard that this explanation is also wrong.

Great! Then should be able to refute everything in the below.

http://news.sky.com/story/1204117/amanda-knox-will-be-extradited-by-us

Particularly these notable excerpts from the article:

• Knox was initially found guilty. She then received a reversal -- not an acquittal based on a new trial -- at an intermediate appeals level.
• Even if that happened in the US it would not be double jeopardy.
• As was pointed out earlier in this thread, the extradition hearing Knox would have had would not have been a retrial of the case and not a trial of another country's justice system.

 

[nugov2]

No I'm not. I read the court released Judge reports.
I can absolutely see and understand that it was never an open and shut case.
The thing is there is this fantasy which people defending her keep spinning and appear to fully believe. She was completely railroaded by an evil corrupt Italian justice system. There was absolutely no evidence against her. Anything she's said or done is the result of someone manipulating and abusing her. It's gone so far that she's not even responsible for making statements that ruined a completely innocent man's life. It's all about poor Amanda and what a victim she is. Everyone should have compassion and sympathy for her but none for anyone she hurt by her actions, by her lies, by the lengths her PR team and supporters have gone to defend her.

Where did I say that nobody should have sympathy for anyone else? Never once said that. I feel that the exact same thing could be said by those who are so sure she is guilty, those people look beyond obvious mistakes and evidence she wasn't involved and blind to all the inaccuracies. Honestly, it cut both ways in this case, but it just comes down to what side of the aisle you are sitting. I have said in the past she did things wrong, she acted odd and even inappropriate, but that does not a murder make. I am not like oh Amanda a sweet vision sent from heaven...please, most people don't think that. I don't think anything she has said or done is solely the result of manipulation and abuse. Where does it say she without a doubt wasn't abused/mistreated while she was interrogated in the court released judge reports? I don't recall seeing that, but I read through them a long time ago.

 

[kimmar067]

As I said...they got their justice...the murderer is in prison. They choose not to accept that fact.

....is he the one who confessed?

 

[sunshinehighway]

Where did I say that nobody should have sympathy for anyone else? Never once said that. I feel that the exact same thing could be said by those who are so sure she is guilty, those people look beyond obvious mistakes and evidence she wasn't involved and blind to all the inaccuracies. Honestly, it cut both ways in this case, but it just comes down to what side of the aisle you are sitting. I have said in the past she did things wrong, she acted odd and even inappropriate, but that does not a murder make. I am not like oh Amanda a sweet vision sent from heaven...please, most people don't think that. I don't think anything she has said or done is solely the result of manipulation and abuse. Where does it say she without a doubt wasn't abused/mistreated while she was interrogated in the court released judge reports? I don't recall seeing that, but I read through them a long time ago.

You are joking with that, right?

 

[nugov2]

You are joking with that, right?

Yep, you got it

 

[asta]

I have my opinions but will admit that I have not followed this case as close as some of you. The one big take away from this entire tragedy is the vile influence that tabloid journalism has on society (and I include the right and left wing political talking heads but that is another story). This was a personal tragedy for the Kercher family and also Knox and Sollecito. The true evil came from tabloid journalist who keep spinning this story. I hope all of them are one day held responsible for the hate they inspire in this world.

OK, sermon over but one other thing. As the parent of young adult daughters I am so glad that I never agreed to send them overseas while as undergrads. So much hate toward Americans that I am frightened.

 

[Planogirl]

OK, sermon over but one other thing. As the parent of young adult daughters I am so glad that I never agreed to send them overseas while as undergrads. So much hate toward Americans that I am frightened.

It's not like that everywhere. I agree that it is scary though.

 

[dinolounger]

I don't blame Lumumba for hating Amanda, but the money shouldn't come from her.

Well, if you feel that strongly, why don't you and her loyal, selfless supporters who say its's not her fault she slandered an innocent man pony up and pay it for her?

 

[nugov2]

Well, if you feel that strongly, why don't you and her loyal, selfless supporters who say its's not her fault she slandered an innocent man pony up and pay it for her?

Wow...good one Actually wouldn't it make more sense for you to pay him because you feel so strongly that he deserves it?

Once again, it isn't that I don't think he isn't entitled to restitution, I just think it should come from the right people(IMO the Italian PD). I think serving 4 years in jail for a crime you didn't commit is enough punishment for her crime of falsely accusing him(that is one extra year than the false accusation charge was for), that may not have happened if we knew for certain what went on during the interrogation. They chose not to record it so it is her word against the Italian PD. Honestly, nobody knows why she did what she did and nobody knows what the PD did during their interrogation. They should have recorded everything and then their would be no questions, but they didn't so it is left to what each person believes happened. I feel like she was wrong in accusing him, but most likely would not have if she wasn't scared/pressured by the PD. IMO she served her time for the crime and the monetary restitution should come from the Italian PD since that is the only way they can be punished. Do you think A & R should get financial restitution for the time they spent in jail now that they have been acquitted of the crime? Technically Sollecito is entitled to money. Italy pays for every year you are in prison if you are later cleared of charges, though b/c of the change in story he'd have a difficult time collecting it.

I don't know if legally she can be held to pay the money, but if the court decides to uphold that decision(I know she appealed once, but now she has been acquitted of the crime I'd imagine she will file another appeal if she can) then I think she should pay it b/c that is the right thing to do, but I just feel the PD did coerce that statement.

 

[TLSnell1981]

....is he the one who confessed?

Yes..that would be Rudy Guede. He was originally given 30 years, but his sentence was reduced to 16 years. I think, he's already eligible for parole.

 

[dinolounger]

I think serving 4 years in jail for a crime you didn't commit is enough punishment for her crime of falsely accusing him

Fact: a court of law found that Amanda slandered Lumumba. Not the police, not the press, Amanda.
Fact: said court levied damages against her, not jail time. Damages.
Fact: Lumumba definitely suffered due to what she did. He deserves the damages the court granted.
Fact: we still don't definitively know if Amanda wasn't involved in the murder of Meridth Kercher, so the "didn't commit" statement above is an opinion, not a fact.

It sad that the best the Knox apologists can do on this one is obfuscate about "parity" (others she hurt should suffer because she "suffered")

 

[kimmar067]

Yes..that would be Rudy Guede. He was originally given 30 years, but his sentence was reduced to 16 years. I think, he's already eligible for parole.

....already?

 

[nugov2]

Fact: a court of law found that Amanda slandered Lumumba. Not the police, not the press, Amanda.
Fact: said court levied damages against her, not jail time. Damages.
Fact: Lumumba definitely suffered due to what she did. He deserves the damages the court granted.
Fact: we still don't definitively know if Amanda wasn't involved in the murder of Meridth Kercher, so the "didn't commit" statement above is an opinion, not a fact.

It sad that the best the Knox apologists can do on this one is obfuscate about "parity" (others she hurt should suffer because she "suffered")

FACT: Said court sentenced her to 3 years for slander in addition to paying restitution, which the court deemed she served when she was released after serving 4
FACT: Amanda definitely suffered for a wrongful conviction and serving extra time in prison she didn't need to. Doesn't matter what you believe, she was acquitted of the charges.
FACT: If the Italian PD would have followed protocol and recorded the interrogation there would be no question if she was mistreated or not and if the accusation against Lumumba was forced by the officers.
FACT: I never said others should suffer because she suffered.
FACT: Belittling people because they don't agree with you doesn't make your argument stronger
FACT: Using big words does not make your argument more valid and the opinion opposite of yours any less valid.

 

[TLSnell1981]

Fact: a court of law found that Amanda slandered Lumumba. Not the police, not the press, Amanda.
Fact: said court levied damages against her, not jail time. Damages.
Fact: Lumumba definitely suffered due to what she did. He deserves the damages the court granted.
Fact: we still don't definitively know if Amanda wasn't involved in the murder of Meridth Kercher, so the "didn't commit" statement above is an opinion, not a fact.

It sad that the best the Knox apologists can do on this one is obfuscate about "parity" (others she hurt should suffer because she "suffered")

Okay, I was with you, until the last "fact". Guede's DNA and bloody handprint were found at the scene. He also confessed. Originally, no one else was implicated by Guede...his story changed a few times. The facts seem to support, he killed Meredith. Although, the Italian tabloids have a different opinion. Sadly, their input tainted the "trial", quite significantly. IMO

After six years and numerous appeals, decisions, etc., Knox was acquitted of the murder. I don't believe, she can be tried again...even under Italian law