Armanda Knox guilty---- again

[Planogirl]

It's finally over. I hope that all of those involved can find a little peace now. (Except for the murderer of course.)

 

[topolino]

I'm sure it is such a relief for her!! I am glad that they made(IMO) the right decision. Hopefully all involved will be able to move on, especially Meredith's family.

Finally! Great news. The Kercher family got their justice...the murderer is serving time.

I am happy for her. I hope she can go on and try to live a happy and peaceful rest of her life......and I hope the Kercher family can finally have a little closure, so they can start to heal.

Unfortunately, this is not the case. Meredith's family released a statement after yesterday's verdict in which they claimed to be "shocked and surprised" and that this was not the result they expected.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

Unfortunately, this is not the case. Meredith's family released a statement after yesterday's verdict in which they claimed to be "shocked and surprised" and that this was not the result they expected.

As I said...they got their justice...the murderer is in prison. They choose not to accept that fact.

 

[topolino]

As I said...they got their justice...the murderer is in prison. They choose not to accept that fact.

I believe only one of her murderers is in prison.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

I believe only one of her murderers is in prison.

As is your right.

 

[sunshinehighway]

As I said...they got their justice...the murderer is in prison. They choose not to accept that fact.

That's a somewhat unfair statement to make. The reasoning behind the ruling hasn't been released yet. In previous rulings and I think Guede's (did I spell that right) trial, it was decided there was more than one killer. To them, that was fact. You can't expect them to turn on a dime and immediately believe what they've been told is true and been accepted by the courts for years, is actually false. At the least they need a chance to read the reasoning behind the ruling.

 

[minnie56]

None of us here know for sure who the killer is. We are all merely giving our opinions.
For me, I feel justice has not been served and Amanda Knox has manipulated many. That is my opinion and an opinion only.

The tragedy is a bright, young girl was brutally murdered and her family who loved her will never have peace.
Sad.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

That's a somewhat unfair statement to make. The reasoning behind the ruling hasn't been released yet. In previous rulings and I think Guede's (did I spell that right) trial, it was decided there was more than one killer. To them, that was fact. You can't expect them to turn on a dime and immediately believe what they've been told is true and been accepted by the courts for years, is actually false.

*I BELIEVE, IMHO*...that they got their justice, that the murderer is in prison, and that they are choosing not to accept it. I don't for a minute believe that if there was another killer that it was Amanda or her boyfriend.

I never said I expected them to suddeny turn on a dime, anymore than I expect the prosecution to think or say "oops, we were wrong." I was stating what I believe, based on what I believe about the trial process, the people involved, and the "evidence" and therefore, I believe they have chosen all along to believe some pretty, IMHO, unbelievable "facts." If there is actual evidence, in the muck of "evidence" the prosecutors presented, suggesting that there was another murderer, no doubt the Kerchers want another person to take responsibility, and I believe Amanda Knox was an easy target based on some pretty flimsy "evidence."

Despite seeing the same evidence in court that I did, Jodi Arias' family and supporters believe SHE is the victim; I don't. I believe they are in denial and seeing/hearing what they want, wanting their idea of justice, as I believe the Kerchers are. People who believe as the Kerchers can, and do, point their fingers and state "unfair", IMHO, opinions in Amanda Knox's direction. And never the twain shall meet...

At the very VERY least, I believe there was no clear evidence, IMHO, that pointed to a conviction. There was a U.S. case...Adam Kaufman, tried for killing his wife and presenting a "Spray Tan" defense...who *I* strongly believe was guilty of murder. He was found NOT GUILTY, and I completely support the verdict, based on evidence that was injected with doubt by the defense, but evidence that I personally believe was the solid truth. He is free, as he should be. And I believe he got away with murder, as he should have, based on that doubt. I do NOT believe that this is the case in the Amanda Knox trial...I believe the evidence doesn't even remotely point to her guilt. IMHO.

 

[sunshinehighway]

*I BELIEVE, IMHO*...that they got their justice, that the murderer is in prison, and that they are choosing not to accept it. I don't for a minute believe that if there was another killer that it was Amanda or her boyfriend.

I never said I expected them to suddeny turn on a dime, anymore than I expect the prosecution to think or say "oops, we were wrong." I was stating what I believe, based on what I believe about the trial process, the people involved, and the "evidence" and therefore, I believe they have chosen all along to believe some pretty, IMHO, unbelievable "facts." If there is actual evidence, in the muck of "evidence" the prosecutors presented, suggesting that there was another murderer, no doubt the Kerchers want another person to take responsibility, and I believe Amanda Knox was an easy target based on some pretty flimsy "evidence."

Despite seeing the same evidence in court that I did, Jodi Arias' family and supporters believe SHE is the victim; I don't. I believe they are in denial and seeing/hearing what they want, wanting their idea of justice, as I believe the Kerchers are. People who believe as the Kerchers can, and do, point their fingers and state "unfair", IMHO, opinions in Amanda Knox's direction. And never the twain shall meet...

At the very VERY least, I believe there was no clear evidence, IMHO, that pointed to a conviction. There was a U.S. case...Adam Kaufman, tried for killing his wife and presenting a "Spray Tan" defense...who *I* strongly believe was guilty of murder. He was found NOT GUILTY, and I completely support the verdict, based on evidence that was injected with doubt by the defense, but evidence that I personally believe was the solid truth. He is free, as he should be. And I believe he got away with murder, as he should have, based on that doubt. I do NOT believe that this is the case in the Amanda Knox trial...I believe the evidence doesn't even remotely point to her guilt. IMHO.

Regardless of what you or I believe, your other post seems to lack compassion for Meredith's family. Their beautiful young daughter was brutally murdered and they deserve a little understanding and compassion.
You do realize you compared them to the family of Jodi Arias, right? That right there shows a lack of compassion for them. I can't believe anyone would compare the family of a convicted murderer to that of a murder victim.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

Regardless of what you or I believe, your other post seems to lack compassion for Meredith's family. Their beautiful young daughter was brutally murdered and they deserve a little understanding and compassion.
You do realize you compared them to the family of Jodi Arias, right? That right there shows a lack of compassion for them. I can't believe anyone would compare the family of a convicted murderer to that of a murder victim.

You can, and did, put any emotional spin on that that you want. The comparison was ONLY that the view of the family of someone involved in a crime is perhaps jaded...that what they see and believe might not be supported by the actual evidence, because their family member is involved...and it does go both ways. If you want to make it more than that, have at it. The Jodi Arias case is the one I have in recent memory.

Of course I feel for the Kercher family. Unquestionably their daughter, and therefore they, are victims. It was an horrific crime. I do believe that Amanda and her family are victims too, because I do believe, as they do, that she is innocent, and before you go off on me that I'm saying the victimization is THE SAME as the Kerchers, I am not. Obviously, the Kercher's daughter is dead, and the family has to live with that forever. But the Knox family has wrongly, IMHO, endured a nightmare also. I'm not going to "rank" family's pain and suffering, or dismiss what Amanda and her family endured because it's "not as bad" as what the Kerchers endured.

 

[dinolounger]

I am happy for her. I hope she can go on and try to live a happy and peaceful rest of her life......and I hope the Kercher family can finally have a little closure, so they can start to heal.

Yes, Amanda was exonerated. Or, depending upon the perspective, got off. Scott free. Beat the rap, etc.

Bottom line, she is no longer living with the the label of convict or facing a jail term.

But to those who are cheering and saying the rest of her life now starts looking just like the ending scene in Snow White, eh, not so fast.

Turn off ABC News, put down USA today and get of the Huffington Post for a minute. If you read the Daily Mail or Corriere Della Sera you will quickly find a deep division of opinion on her still exists, which means that ugly shadow of suspicion is not only alive and well but on it's way to becoming eternal. Is her acquittal creating mass outrage the way O.J. Simpson's did? Obviously not, it isn't even close. But don't kid yourself, a pale but visible cloud of mistrust is going to follow that woman for the rest of her life, especially amongst those outside our borders in certain countries (who I know a lot of you couldn't care less about, I don't have that luxury, given my work frequently takes me to said countries and I don't have that "U.S. as island" mindset.). The sentiments of those "foreigners" haven't changed one iota, focused on the perfectly understandable perception there are still too many unanswered questions about what really happened in Perugia. And they are never going let that feeling go.

Which means Ms.Knox will sadly never attain the one thing she most desparately wants: universally accepted innocence.

 

[PaulaSB12]

I think the Kerchers were hurt by the attitude of the daily Mail they got photos of her at Halloween, thanksgiving and all sorts of other occasions all with the attitude that it was unfair for her to be enjoying life while the victim could not. With each of these articles they went to the family for a quote do they gave not been allowed to grieve for her Nd move on. Tigers is also the attitude that people in the UK feel that she did it because she is amercan and that these from the USA don't for the same reason. There is also the problem that people will believe what they want to spite evidence. There was a case that came to justice in the UK (Google Hampstead satanic hoax) where a woman and her boyfriend hit and tortured her two children until they said that their dad was the head of a huge satanic cult which for one claim hundreds of babies at a time were killed and cooked at the local McDonalds. Now despite this being proved wrong people are still falling for it any anyone who doesn't agree with them and believe all the local school are doing this is labelled a paedophile. Now while these are two different cases it does show the fact that even when a judge says it didn't happen people just say the judge is at fault.

 

[sunshinehighway]

I think the Kerchers were hurt by the attitude of the daily Mail they got photos of her at Halloween, thanksgiving and all sorts of other occasions all with the attitude that it was unfair for her to be enjoying life while the victim could not. With each of these articles they went to the family for a quote do they gave not been allowed to grieve for her Nd move on. Tigers is also the attitude that people in the UK feel that she did it because she is amercan and that these from the USA don't for the same reason. There is also the problem that people will believe what they want to spite evidence. There was a case that came to justice in the UK (Google Hampstead satanic hoax) where a woman and her boyfriend hit and tortured her two children until they said that their dad was the head of a huge satanic cult which for one claim hundreds of babies at a time were killed and cooked at the local McDonalds. Now despite this being proved wrong people are still falling for it any anyone who doesn't agree with them and believe all the local school are doing this is labelled a paedophile. Now while these are two different cases it does show the fact that even when a judge says it didn't happen people just say the judge is at fault.

You mean like when she was found guilty those 2 other times and so many people complained about how unfair the Italian court system is?

 

[LBIJim]

Yes, Amanda was exonerated. Or, depending upon the perspective, got off. Scott free. Beat the rap, etc.

Bottom line, she is no longer living with the the label of convict or facing a jail term.

But to those who are cheering and saying the rest of her life now starts looking just like the ending scene in Snow White, eh, not so fast.

Turn off ABC News, put down USA today and get of the Huffington Post for a minute. If you read the Daily Mail or Corriere Della Sera you will quickly find a deep division of opinion on her still exists, which means that ugly shadow of suspicion is not only alive and well but on it's way to becoming eternal. Is her acquittal creating mass outrage the way O.J. Simpson's did? Obviously not, it isn't even close. But don't kid yourself, a pale but visible cloud of mistrust is going to follow that woman for the rest of her life, especially amongst those outside our borders in certain countries (who I know a lot of you couldn't care less about, I don't have that luxury, given my work frequently takes me to said countries and I don't have that "U.S. as island" mindset.). The sentiments of those "foreigners" haven't changed one iota, focused on the perfectly understandable perception there are still too many unanswered questions about what really happened in Perugia. And they are never going let that feeling go.

Which means Ms.Knox will sadly never attain the one thing she most desparately wants: universally accepted innocence.

True, she'll always have that Scarlet Letter tattooed on her forehead.

 

[nugov2]

Yes, Amanda was exonerated. Or, depending upon the perspective, got off. Scott free. Beat the rap, etc.

Bottom line, she is no longer living with the the label of convict or facing a jail term.

But to those who are cheering and saying the rest of her life now starts looking just like the ending scene in Snow White, eh, not so fast.

Turn off ABC News, put down USA today and get of the Huffington Post for a minute. If you read the Daily Mail or Corriere Della Sera you will quickly find a deep division of opinion on her still exists, which means that ugly shadow of suspicion is not only alive and well but on it's way to becoming eternal. Is her acquittal creating mass outrage the way O.J. Simpson's did? Obviously not, it isn't even close. But don't kid yourself, a pale but visible cloud of mistrust is going to follow that woman for the rest of her life, especially amongst those outside our borders in certain countries (who I know a lot of you couldn't care less about, I don't have that luxury, given my work frequently takes me to said countries and I don't have that "U.S. as island" mindset.). The sentiments of those "foreigners" haven't changed one iota, focused on the perfectly understandable perception there are still too many unanswered questions about what really happened in Perugia. And they are never going let that feeling go.

Which means Ms.Knox will sadly never attain the one thing she most desparately wants: universally accepted innocence.

I don't think she wants that desperately at all. I don't think she cares at all what other people(especially those outside the US) think besides those close to her. I think she appreciates the support that she has gotten, but besides the judges in the Italian court is not worried about others.

As far as the Kercher's I understand why they feel the way they do. They have been told so many lies and are so emotionally distraught that they would believe anything someone in an official position would tell them when it comes to their daughter's murder. Hopefully now that this is over and after the dust settles they will find peace either b/c they will see what a sham the trial and evidence was or if they still believe she is guilty will be judge in the after life if they are religious. Either way I hope they do some day find peace. I think the right thing was done. Not because she was American or any of the other reasons people claim, but b/c the motive doesn't make sense, the evidence IMO isn't there. I think Amanda will have no problem moving on and living a happy life and I hope that she does.

 

[dinolounger]

I don't think she wants that desperately at all.

Time will tell.

BTW, amidst all their celebratory gushing over Ms. Knox, what ABC, USA Today and the Huffington Post aren't telling you is that Ms. Knox still has one legal issue hanging over her head.

As mentioned earlier on this thread, she erroneously accused bartender Patrick Lumumba of being involved in the slaying. He spent several weeks in jail after Knox accused him and he won a defamation suit against her, for which Knox was ordered to pay him about $54,000 in damages.

Despite receiving a lucrative $4 million advance from Harper Collins, Knox still hasn't paid Lumumba the money.

 

[sunshinehighway]

I don't think she wants that desperately at all. I don't think she cares at all what other people(especially those outside the US) think besides those close to her. I think she appreciates the support that she has gotten, but besides the judges in the Italian court is not worried about others.

As far as the Kercher's I understand why they feel the way they do. They have been told so many lies and are so emotionally distraught that they would believe anything someone in an official position would tell them when it comes to their daughter's murder. Hopefully now that this is over and after the dust settles they will find peace either b/c they will see what a sham the trial and evidence was or if they still believe she is guilty will be judge in the after life if they are religious. Either way I hope they do some day find peace. I think the right thing was done. Not because she was American or any of the other reasons people claim, but b/c the motive doesn't make sense, the evidence IMO isn't there. I think Amanda will have no problem moving on and living a happy life and I hope that she does.

I know you don't believe the evidence was there but you also mentioned motive and I want to comment on that.
I think you (general not you specifically) need to be careful not to get hung up on motive. Sometimes its unknown for various reasons, sometimes it's known but can't really come out in court and sometimes it's just not logical to a normal, sane person who wouldn't murder someone.
We have a big trial in MA right now. Aaron Hernandez. I don't know if you've heard much about it. Basically he was arising star with the Patriots, just signed a huge contract. The boyfriend of his fiance's sister was murdered and he's on trial for it. There's pretty strong evidence that he did it. The prosecution has no strong motive for the murder though. They don't really have a motive at all except the two getting into a little spat in a club about the victim talking to people Hernandez didn't like.
He's also accused of murdering two people in a drive by shooting the year before the othe murder. The motive? One of the guys (who he didn't know) accidently spilled a drink on him while dancing in a club.
Oh he also has been accused of shooting a friend in the face. I think the motive for that was a disagreement over splitting the tab at a strip club.
It seems crazy to think a guy would give up tens of millions of dollars and a professional football career over these things.

 

[Anastasi]

Whether she is truly guilty or not, one can speculate forever.

As for the final verdict, I don't believe it was as much motivated by the evidence as by politics. The verdict saves a very nasty extradition fight with a fellow friendly country. It has been hinted that the US would not extradite due to not believing in double jeopardy. If Italy would not be able to get her back, better to save face and bow out gracefully.

 

[dinolounger]

It has been hinted that the US would not extradite due to not believing in double jeopardy.

Yes, I know it's now a moot issue now, but a long as it keeps getting referenced, it will be made clear the "hint" above is absolutely wrong. If Knox had been convicted and extradition had been requested, the juridiction for reigning law would have been that of the requesting country (Italy), not the U.S. Or stated differently, we could not have refused to extradite her based upon the fact our law and constitution are different than theirs.

I don't blame people here for not understanding that. But I do blame a universe of certain poorly read media talking heads who keep perpetuating the spread of that completely erroneous information.

 

[Anastasi]

Yes, I know it's now a moot issue now, but a long as it keep sgetting referenced again, it will be made clear the "hint" above is absolutely wrong. If Knox had been convicted and extradition had been requested the juridiction for reigning law would have been that of the requester (Italy), not the U.S. Or stated differently, we could not have refused to extradite based upon the fact our law and constitution is different than theirs.

And I have heard that this explanation is also wrong. I guess we will never know. I do believe, after talking to some lawyer friends (International law,) that there was way more going on in the background that we will ever know about. And not all of it was based on trial evidence.