Argh. The 20% off coupon can't be used for Disney Giftcards afterall. :(

[sduck]

Nevermind!

 

[ICF]

my 2 cents....which with a 20% off coupon is really more like 1.6 cents!

Nobody that used the coupon is going to face any "legal" action. A manager made the transaction happen for them.....

...that said, I'd be surprised if some of these managers are not going to face serious discipline for the overrides they did. Clearly for the person that went to 5 stores to find one that would do it.....the other 4 managers likely knew something the 5th one didn't. Doing an override that cost the store $2K may well get someone fired.

These are gift cards...call them what you will (or what Target may call them) but at the end of the day I'd say we all know what a gift card is and that these are gift cards. To say they aren't actually giftcards is just silly. Hopefully this mess wont cause Target to remove the 5% that you get with red cards & pharmacy rewards.

Ethically....each person has to decide if what they did or didn't do is worth the savings. If I had a 20% off coupon I would have tried it as well, but never would have raised a stink over it or drove all around the city until I found a store to make it work it.

 

[ArmchairDetective]

The whole argument of is it a gift card, is it an entertainment card? Would you go into a Disney store and ask for an entertainment card? Of course not, but by using the red card discount, you TOO KNOW THAT THEY DO NOT CLASSIFY them as gift cards.

When you go home and show your SO your $1k, 5k, 10k in cards do you call em entertainment cards? THEY ARE GIFT CARDS. If it walks like a duck and sounds like a duck....

Of course people are bummed that the 20% wasn't honored, but I'm not going to map out 5 different Targets on my GPS and harass a manager at each one in the hopes that one of them will "give me the goods." I bought a shop vac instead.

 

[supersnoop]

I'm reposting some of my previous responses because it is clear that some people are not thoroughly reading through this thread.



Has anyone demanded the discount? I am not sure. I read through this entire thread and it seems like the people who have gotten it have been perfectly polite and kind. And by most accounts the Target employees have been very happy for the customers. That was our case anyway.

People have been claiming to call in multiple managers and having the customer service team call corporate to get approval. Does that meet your definition of "demanded?"

 

[Marionnette]

The whole argument of is it a gift card, is it an entertainment card? Would you go into a Disney store and ask for an entertainment card? Of course not, but by using the red card discount, you TOO KNOW THAT THEY DO NOT CLASSIFY them as gift cards. And had it worked for everyone, you wouldn't bat an eyelash. The fact that there is a lot of confusing information out there and that did not work in your favor, is causing you to argue things that you would not otherwise argue.

When I use my REDCard for the 5% discount, I know that the Disney GCs qualify, not because Target calls the "entertainment cards", but because they are not specifically listed in the excluded items under the conditions of the program. If you bothered to read the terms of service for the card or the many posts which have quoted those terms, you would know that. Instead, you choose to ignore them and continue to focus on calling a product that is clearly labeled GIFT CARD by another name in order to justify your stance.

Face it. I can call a "duck" a "canard". It still quacks and waddles.

 

[jrmasm]

Who wants to take bets on how soon Target excludes Disney Gift Cards from ALL discounts?

 

[QuackQuack2004]

I would be curious if stating a 20% coupon (without listing any restrictions in the ad) falls under the bait and switch laws in most states?

The legality that the coupon is not valid for gift cards is ok. The problem is that they did not state the 20% coupon would have any restrictions in newspapers millions received.

 

[nugov2]

I was literally typing out the Chicken Little reference at the exact same time as you! Great minds!

It's the truth!!

 

[sweetdana]

I would be curious if stating a 20% coupon (without listing any restrictions in the ad) falls under the bait and switch laws in most states?

The legality that the coupon is not valid for gift cards is ok. The problem is that they did not state the 20% coupon would have any restrictions in newspapers millions received.

I am not sure as there was an *** on it. THere was an interesting advertisment without notes, a few pages back that IMP would have fallen into that, but I am not sure anyone would press it.

 

[djmeredith]

Several people have focused their outrage at a previous poster who went to "5 different stores and demanded the discount until they received it." Where is the original post where someone admitted doing that? I don't remember seeing that post, and I thought I had read them all. Can someone quote it or direct me to that page. Thanks!

 

[mom2AidanAndEli]

I totally agree with the above, if it worked for everyone I don't think there would be that many complaints. I went to 5 target stores and the 5th one finally gave me the discount....and yes I purchased all 200 cards they had hanging on the checkout racks. When I was denied at a store I did not rant or ask to call corporate, I did try to state they were listed as entertainment but when I was told no i said that you and moved onto the next store hoping for the best. Did I take advantage of a mistake that target made....I'm not sure cause they allowed me to do it last year. All I do know is that I feel lucky that due to their mistake my family will enjoy a little more Disney magic then we might have without the $2000 savings.

Here you go.....

Edited to add: It was on page 19.

 

[DarthMole]

I'm reposting some of my previous responses because it is clear that some people are not thoroughly reading through this thread.

You can repost the same comments 100 times if you like but people are free to form their own opinion which often will not agree with yours. Accusing people of not reading the thread because their opinion is not the same as yours is sort of childish.

The whole argument of is it a gift card, is it an entertainment card? Would you go into a Disney store and ask for an entertainment card? Of course not, but by using the red card discount, you TOO KNOW THAT THEY DO NOT CLASSIFY them as gift cards.

Speaking of not following the thread, it has already been pointed out numerous times that both the Red Card discount and the Pharmacy Reward discount terms specifically state "Target Gift Cards" in their exclusions and make no mention of any other generic gift cards or entertainment cards. Thus why the respective 5% discount works on those.

It has been reported many times lately that the $ off and % off coupons do NOT work on Disney Gift Cards anymore. These coupons have the same generic gift card exclusion. How in the world are they excluding these if they are not classified as gift cards?

 

[FrostedSteph]

It's comical that some of you will insult people over this.

Not one time have I heard an account of someone going into a store and arguing with a manager or other person, saying "but it's an ENTERTAINMENT CARD. I DEMAND YOU GIVE ME THIS DISCOUNT." Heck, I've heard some accounts of (people who have NOT received the discount) managers agreeing that the verbiage on the coupon should actually allow for the discount. What does that tell you?


I just think that people who are getting so angry about this need to calm down a little bit. As I've said before, Target notices that you are spending $4000 when you buy your GIFTERTAINMENT CARDS (yes I am combining those to be funny) before your trip with your 5 or 10% discount. They know they are allowing the discount. I find it hard to believe that they are going to take that away. I could be wrong but if it's something that has been allowed and is in the terms as such, they know we are doing it. I think it's naive that some of you think you are getting away with something there.

 

[FrostedSteph]

You can repost the same comments 100 times if you like but people are free to form their own opinion which often will not agree with yours. Accusing people of not reading the thread because their opinion is not the same as yours is sort of childish.



Speaking of not following the thread, it has already been pointed out numerous times that both the Red Card discount and the Pharmacy Reward discount terms specifically state "Target Gift Cards" in their exclusions and make no mention of any other generic gift cards or entertainment cards. Thus why the respective 5% discount works on those.

It has been reported many times lately that the $ off and % off coupons do NOT work on Disney Gift Cards anymore. These coupons have the same generic gift card exclusion. How in the world are they excluding these if they are not classified as gift cards?

Maybe you missed the part where 20 + people mentioned that Target was going to take away all of the discounts forever and all is ruined forever because people on disboards.

Oh wait. You are probably one of the people that think that.

 

[Here4mydisneyfix]

A Target employee friend told me this is Targets fault for. It being clear. She said they do this to themselves all the time. Didn't they learn last year after the $10 target card fiasco? She said no one will get fired over this...she laughed at me when I even suggested it (repeating what I have read here).

Then she is mistaken. My hubs is a manager and considering that corporate has issued the official phone recording now, he is certain that anyone who keeps on doing this WILL be written up (that means final warning people...they do it again, they are are gone!), or even fired on the spot if it's enough money. They have been told it is NOT ok, so now it actually borders on theft. I know it is being "allowed" by some not so bright individuals, so it's not REAL stealing technically, but if you think about it, what else would giving UNAPPROVED discounts of hundreds or even thousands or dollars be called? He still says no matter how much someone whines for it, he would never do it...too much risk! yikes.

 

[FrostedSteph]

Look I don't even care anymore. I don't come to these boards to get into arguments with people I'm never going to meet. I come because I love Disney and share that with the people that post here. I'm a TA and I literally still learn something cool/different every time I am on. I found out about the 5% red card discount on cards from THIS board, along with many other things.

The only reason I ever said anything to begin with is because it seems so silly for people to be getting so angry with people that got the discount. To blame them for the way Target worded things or how certain people interpreted that is wrong. The fact that some of the people are getting the discount is a testament to how people (even Target employees) understand thing differently.

 

[Here4mydisneyfix]

My friend is a manager at Target. I asked her about this, and she gave some information.
There is a possibility of the transactions that were wrongly discounted being voided when reviewed by headquarters. This means they will deactivate the value of the giftcards, and refund the money.
The managers overriding will be flagged, and loss prevention will likely interview them. Certain amount of overriding can lead to internal investigations, and possibly having them being fired or punished.
It also effects ALL the employees, because they will have to cut hours to make up for the loss of profits.

Yes. Same thing we are hearing. yikes.

 

[DarthMole]

It's comical that some of you will insult people over this.

Not one time have I heard an account of someone going into a store and arguing with a manager or other person, saying "but it's an ENTERTAINMENT CARD. I DEMAND YOU GIVE ME THIS DISCOUNT." Heck, I've heard some accounts of (people who have NOT received the discount) managers agreeing that the verbiage on the coupon should actually allow for the discount. What does that tell you?

I can tell you that in our situation, it was easy as could be. We did not take the entire store's stock in gift cards (in fact, we went back several hours later because I had to grocery shop and there were several 100's), the manager was more than willing and did not think twice about it, the manager was genuinely happy and excited for us and told his employees that they could do it too stacked along with their employee discount. There was no arguing entertainment over gift card, there was no arguing about anything. We asked if we could do something and they said yes. Plain and simple.

We weren't angry. The manager wasn't doing something just to make us happy. We didn't scream at anyone and demand that they give us this discount. I didn't have to travel to several different stores or cause a scene. I bought several things on Black Friday before midnight and after that I planned to buy anyway. Had I not been able to use the coupon on the cards, I would have used it on the groceries I went back for several hours later.

I do not feel bad about receiving this discount because I didn't do anything wrong. I suppose if it had been a bigger deal for us and there was arguing and yelling, I might feel badly about that. But in our case, it was very easy.

I just think that people who are getting so angry about this need to calm down a little bit. As I've said before, Target notices that you are spending $4000 when you buy your GIFTERTAINMENT CARDS (yes I am combining those to be funny) before your trip with your 5 or 10% discount. They know they are allowing the discount. I find it hard to believe that they are going to take that away. I could be wrong but if it's something that has been allowed and is in the terms as such, they know we are doing it. I think it's naive that some of you think you are getting away with something there.

Did anyone accuse you specifically of doing anything wrong? Why are you getting so worked up? I don't think anyone is upset about the couple of people who have reported to have gone in, asked if they could use it or asked why the discount did not apply and then received it after a manager override. There is nothing wrong with that. But everyone has a point where things turn from an innocent question to one of ethics. Hearing about people teaming up and pressing the issue for an hour or more with a manager is certainly one incident that is taking it up a notch. Hitting up store after store after store until one finds a willing manager to give them a $2,000 discount is more than a little concerning. Those are the incidents that have people talking here. Also, for every story of polite requests that have been approved or declined, you know there are ones where people were rude and demanding, however I doubt you will ever find someone who will admit to such behavior.

For me, once you need to get a manager to override the computer system, the chance of it being something you were not intended to get is pretty high. Not always, but usually. Look at the guy who went to five stores. His words, "All I do know is that I feel lucky that due to their mistake..." He feels "lucky" and acknowledges it was "their mistake". That is not the reaction of someone who honestly thought they had a right to that discount. That is the reaction of someone who knows they got away with something. That is a far cry from your scenario or that of anyone else who has posted their experience so far.

 

[DarthMole]

Maybe you missed the part where 20 + people mentioned that Target was going to take away all of the discounts forever and all is ruined forever because people on disboards.

Oh wait. You are probably one of the people that think that.

You're good at making assumptions. For the record, I do not think that. I believe the 5% Red Card and Pharmacy Rewards will stay in place for all but Target, Visa & AMEX Gift Cards. Just as it's always been.

 

[Nancy F]

It absolutely baffles me how any rational person can say, with sound mind, that the Disney cards are not gift cards.

Noun: A gift card is a restricted monetary equivalent or scrip that is issued by retailers or banks to be used as an alternative to a non-monetary gift.

Please explain to me how they are not gift cards.

Because TARGET said that they were different from "Gift Cards" in the past without letting the public know they were changing the category.
Now other stores say there is no difference and have them as gift cards. I wouldn't dream of asking that they discount them if it states in their ad that they are not allowed. So Target has no one to blame but themselves for the confusion.
Nancy