Are you and your spouse on the same page money-wise?

I bristle at that word too. It reminds me of the old I Love Lucy shows where Ricky was constantly yelling at Lucy for blowing the budget. And Lucy was always scheming her way around his restrictions. I think the OP would be wise to refrain from using that word when discussing money with her husband. Calling it "blow money", "personal discretionary fund" or any other euphemism that works for you.

Using the word "allowance" implies that it is by your goodwill that he has anything at all to spend on himself. You are "allowing" him to have a small amount of spending money. Okay for a 5 year old. Not cool for an adult man.

I kind of agree. The same people who said I was treating him like a child also suggested giving him an allowance.:confused3

Just to show you, he came home to tell me that his brother (who is 58 or 59) just borrowed (or took) $1500 from his dad (who is 85!!) to pay his car insurance.:sad2:
 
I kind of agree. The same people who said I was treating him like a child also suggested giving him an allowance.:confused3

Just to show you, he came home to tell me that his brother (who is 58 or 59) just borrowed (or took) $1500 from his dad (who is 85!!) to pay his car insurance.:sad2:
That was his brother. It wasn't your husband. He cannot control what his brother does any more than you can control what he does. The whole transaction is between your brother-in-law and your father-in-law. None of your affair and it has nothing to do with your husband.
 
That was his brother. It wasn't your husband. He cannot control what his brother does any more than you can control what he does. The whole transaction is between your brother-in-law and your father-in-law. None of your affair and it has nothing to do with your husband.

No but my point being that it seems that neither one of them were taught adequate money-management skills. My DH has mentioned borrowing money from his father also until I guess I shamed him so much that a 51 yr old man would still have to borrow money from his father. By the way, he was wanting to borrow money for a golf/concert/casino weekend with his guy friends that we didnt have an extra $300 for.

And as far as setting up different accounts, what am I supposed to put in them? We have enough to pay the bills and set a little bit aside for later and eat out a few tmes a month. Thats all! There is not this stash of "extra" to divide up into 2 or 3 accounts.

I have been in the situation before after my divorce where a bill was coming due and I didnt know how I was going to pay it. I dont want to be like that again. Like someone said, we have the kind of jobs where we should not be living paycheck to paycheck.
 
I guess thats the root of it - priorities. If we FOUND $100 on the street, he would want to take it and spend it at the casino or on a round of golf and drinks with his buddies while DD and I sat home and watched TV. I would want to take 50 and save it, 25 for DD's braces and 25 for a nice steak on the BBQ. Its different priorities. I just dont want to be working when I am 75 cause I cant afford to retire and look back and say "boy you had some fun times at the casino."

You need to decide if you want to compromise and save less or be divorced and lose half.

You are just proving my point that you are controlling. Why do you get to decide how every dollar is spent. I would do:
25 - savings
25 - braces
25 - his money
25 - your money (can be the BBQ)
 

You need to decide if you want to compromise and save less or be divorced and lose half.

You are just proving my point that you are controlling. Why do you get to decide how every dollar is spent. I would do:
25 - savings
25 - braces
25 - his money
25 - your money (can be the BBQ)

Okay first of all, he wont go to the casino with less than $100 so he would have to save for 4 months which he wouldnt do. And I could use my money to buy BBQ stuff but he could use his for fun? Sorry to be "controlling" but where's my FUN?

I think your first comment was rude and uncalled for. I am asking for help and advice, not judgement on my life and how I should be happy with saving less instead of divorcing and having half of what I do now.

Its not the fact of saving less, its the fact of saving at all, instead of using the savings we have until they run out.

When I was gone out of town once, we agreed he would take $100 to the casino and spend it. I was ok with that. When I got home, I found out he had spent $250, not okay with that. So basically he deceived me about money and took it out of our savings/retirement/DD's college to play at the casino.

BTW, I paid for that trip out of
1. taking online surveys
2. saving change
3. selling old costumes on Ebay
4. birthday gifts of money
5. selling my gold (none of which he bought me)

I did not take one penny out of the household money for myself cause I considered it unfair to use household money for something that only *I* benefitted from.
 
I think you really need to keep an open mind on you side about spending more on what your DH thinks is important. If yourself, you can't compromise, how to you expect to convince your DH to do it? Everyone has to give in a bit.

Make a complete budget with all you expenses, both:

- mandatory: house, taxes, electricity/gas/oil, 1 phone, car & gas, insurance
- discretionary: cable, Internet (for me it's a mandatory!), cell phone, clothing, classes, dining out, vacation, hair dresser,
- groceries: they are a mixed category, because it can be tweaked a lot
- retirement savings
- general savings

Decide together how much you need for each mandatory category, what and how much you allocate for the discretionary ones, the savings, ... Split the extra between the 2 of you. And decide what are the "general savings" for (home repair, furniture, ...)

They point is "decide together". Unless both of you agree on what are the important things, it's not working right.

DH & I are quite similar (pretty balanced), but we don't spend on the same things, which took some adjustment. For example, before I knew him, it seemed a crime to order anything beside water to drink in a restaurant, now I've loosened up! I cringe we he buys some extras at the grocery store, but he thinks we spend to much on vacation. However, we've set a budget which leaves him free to spend on his toys, and me on mine. There is no one controlling the other! If I want to work harder some months at saving on groceries and eating home more (they are my tasks), I can use the extra money towards a vacation, because it's not impacting the rest. If he does car repair, he can order some RC car toys!
 
Okay first of all, he wont go to the casino with less than $100 so he would have to save for 4 months which he wouldnt do. And I could use my money to buy BBQ stuff but he could use his for fun? Sorry to be "controlling" but where's my FUN?

I think your first comment was rude and uncalled for. I am asking for help and advice, not judgement on my life and how I should be happy with saving less instead of divorcing and having half of what I do now.

Its not the fact of saving less, its the fact of saving at all, instead of using the savings we have until they run out.

When I was gone out of town once, we agreed he would take $100 to the casino and spend it. I was ok with that. When I got home, I found out he had spent $250, not okay with that. So basically he deceived me about money and took it out of our savings/retirement/DD's college to play at the casino.

BTW, I paid for that trip out of
1. taking online surveys
2. saving change
3. selling old costumes on Ebay
4. birthday gifts of money
5. selling my gold (none of which he bought me)

I did not take one penny out of the household money for myself cause I considered it unfair to use household money for something that only *I* benefitted from.
Well see, you don't get to have fun because you're the grasshopper. You're husband gets to be the ant. Grasshoppers get to work hard, manage the pennies and the dollars and worry about the future. Ants get to have fun.

It sounds like it's that way because both of you allow it to be that way. Your husband is fine letting your fret about the money. It gives him license to have fun. You accept the role out of concern for what he would do if he got his hands on the finances.

Your situation sounds very similar to what my brother and his wife went thru. He went thru a period of deep debt before they met and worked his way out of the hole. He swore that he would never fall into that trap again. She is a live-for-today type and would spend the money for the electric bill on clothes and lunch out with the girls. He goes out of town a lot for work. She was left in charge of the day-to-day finances. She blew it. Big time. Over and over again. He would never step up and take responsibility because it was easier to just blame her for their problems.

Their divorce was final in October.
 
We have a very similar outlook on finances. I handle most of it as he doesn't enjoy it and I don't mind. But our goals and practices are the same.
 
Okay first of all, he wont go to the casino with less than $100 so he would have to save for 4 months which he wouldnt do. And I could use my money to buy BBQ stuff but he could use his for fun? Sorry to be "controlling" but where's my FUN? Its not the fact of saving less, its the fact of saving at all, instead of using the savings we have until they run out.

When I was gone out of town once, we agreed he would take $100 to the casino and spend it. I was ok with that. When I got home, I found out he had spent $250, not okay with that. So basically he deceived me about money and took it out of our savings/retirement/DD's college to play at the casino.BTW, I paid for that trip out of
1. taking online surveys
2. saving change
3. selling old costumes on Ebay
4. birthday gifts of money
5. selling my gold (none of which he bought me)

I did not take one penny out of the household money for myself cause I considered it unfair to use household money for something that only *I* benefitted from.

Ok, see this is a whole different can of worms. If he is lying about where he got the money to gamble and trying to hide it, that's not a money problem that's an addiction problem.

I think the money issues are really a manifestation of other issues. Let me ask you, have you guys really talked? Not so much about specific money issues but about goals, short term dreams, long term dreams? Have you asked him why he doesn't think savings is important? Did you ask him why he lied about taking the money out of the college savings?
 
I would agree with that fact that he might have a gambling problem. I enjoy going to our local casino (about a 30 min drive), but DW always tells me what I can take. We both know our budget and what we have in to for that kind of spending. It is easy to go overboard at a casino, your always so close to winning (or so they make it seem), but they don't build millions/billion dollar casinos by paying winners all day.

I don't mean to be rude, but it really seems like you "tolerate" all his issues and he has issues because you tolerate them. He knows that if he goes and loses $100 and the consequences are the same as him losing $250, what is the difference? If he loses at the casino over what he was supposed to take, then make him accountable for it. Tell him that he simply cant go or tell him that he can't go again until he has saved the equivalent of what he has lost more then he was supposed to. Feed him Ramen Noodles and water for a week!
 
Okay first of all, he wont go to the casino with less than $100 so he would have to save for 4 months which he wouldnt do. And I could use my money to buy BBQ stuff but he could use his for fun? Sorry to be "controlling" but where's my FUN?

I think your first comment was rude and uncalled for. I am asking for help and advice, not judgement on my life and how I should be happy with saving less instead of divorcing and having half of what I do now.

Its not the fact of saving less, its the fact of saving at all, instead of using the savings we have until they run out.

When I was gone out of town once, we agreed he would take $100 to the casino and spend it. I was ok with that. When I got home, I found out he had spent $250, not okay with that. So basically he deceived me about money and took it out of our savings/retirement/DD's college to play at the casino.

BTW, I paid for that trip out of
1. taking online surveys
2. saving change
3. selling old costumes on Ebay
4. birthday gifts of money
5. selling my gold (none of which he bought me)

I did not take one penny out of the household money for myself cause I considered it unfair to use household money for something that only *I* benefitted from.

You really don't see all the red flags in your posts. There is trouble in your marriage.

You suggested the BBQ so it seemed it was something you would like. I also said can as in if you want to you can us it toward the BBQ. If that is not your idea of fun the do what you find is fun.
 
I think you really need to keep an open mind on you side about spending more on what your DH thinks is important. If yourself, you can't compromise, how to you expect to convince your DH to do it? Everyone has to give in a bit.

Make a complete budget with all you expenses, both:

- mandatory: house, taxes, electricity/gas/oil, 1 phone, car & gas, insurance
- discretionary: cable, Internet (for me it's a mandatory!), cell phone, clothing, classes, dining out, vacation, hair dresser,
- groceries: they are a mixed category, because it can be tweaked a lot
- retirement savings
- general savings

Decide together how much you need for each mandatory category, what and how much you allocate for the discretionary ones, the savings, ... Split the extra between the 2 of you. And decide what are the "general savings" for (home repair, furniture, ...)

They point is "decide together". Unless both of you agree on what are the important things, it's not working right.

DH & I are quite similar (pretty balanced), but we don't spend on the same things, which took some adjustment. For example, before I knew him, it seemed a crime to order anything beside water to drink in a restaurant, now I've loosened up! I cringe we he buys some extras at the grocery store, but he thinks we spend to much on vacation. However, we've set a budget which leaves him free to spend on his toys, and me on mine. There is no one controlling the other! If I want to work harder some months at saving on groceries and eating home more (they are my tasks), I can use the extra money towards a vacation, because it's not impacting the rest. If he does car repair, he can order some RC car toys!

I have tried to show him, believe me! He says he doesnt want to see it or he doesnt want to know, like if he doesnt look at it, it wont happen.:confused3 When I try to show him, he just snaps "FINE! Just do whatever you want then" and walks away and pouts.

I have just never thought he had a gambling problem cause he doesnt do it every day or even once a week. I guess I think of addiction as in alcohol or something where you do it all the time.

Eliza61, he lied about the money cause he thought I would be mad. I was mad because before I left we sat down and agreed on an amount together. Then as soon as I left, he took what he wanted. As far as talking about goals, he has none. He is content where he is in life. He doesnt want anything better than what he has now. He doesnt want to strive for anything. We live in a very small home that is in a state of disrepair. He doesnt care. So much needs to be done but he doesnt care if it gets done or not and he is not motivatred to do it. He is fine living here and living paycheck to paycheck until he dies. I dont know what he thinks we are going to do upon retirement. I'm 10 years younger than he is so I guess he assumes I can still work and support us.:confused3 (although not very well)
 
I have tried to show him, believe me! He says he doesnt want to see it or he doesnt want to know, like if he doesnt look at it, it wont happen.:confused3 When I try to show him, he just snaps "FINE! Just do whatever you want then" and walks away and pouts.

I have just never thought he had a gambling problem cause he doesnt do it every day or even once a week. I guess I think of addiction as in alcohol or something where you do it all the time.

Eliza61, he lied about the money cause he thought I would be mad. I was mad because before I left we sat down and agreed on an amount together. Then as soon as I left, he took what he wanted. As far as talking about goals, he has none. He is content where he is in life. He doesnt want anything better than what he has now. He doesnt want to strive for anything. We live in a very small home that is in a state of disrepair. He doesnt care. So much needs to be done but he doesnt care if it gets done or not and he is not motivatred to do it. He is fine living here and living paycheck to paycheck until he dies. I dont know what he thinks we are going to do upon retirement. I'm 10 years younger than he is so I guess he assumes I can still work and support us.:confused3 (although not very well)

Just judging by what you are saying, why do you even put up with this?

"Objects in motion tend to stay in motion and objects at rest tend to stay at rest"

I hate to say this, but unfortunately, this is your future!
 
I have tried to show him, believe me! He says he doesnt want to see it or he doesnt want to know, like if he doesnt look at it, it wont happen.:confused3 When I try to show him, he just snaps "FINE! Just do whatever you want then" and walks away and pouts.

I have just never thought he had a gambling problem cause he doesnt do it every day or even once a week. I guess I think of addiction as in alcohol or something where you do it all the time.

Eliza61, he lied about the money cause he thought I would be mad. I was mad because before I left we sat down and agreed on an amount together. Then as soon as I left, he took what he wanted. As far as talking about goals, he has none. He is content where he is in life. He doesnt want anything better than what he has now. He doesnt want to strive for anything. We live in a very small home that is in a state of disrepair. He doesnt care. So much needs to be done but he doesnt care if it gets done or not and he is not motivatred to do it. He is fine living here and living paycheck to paycheck until he dies. I dont know what he thinks we are going to do upon retirement. I'm 10 years younger than he is so I guess he assumes I can still work and support us.:confused3 (although not very well)


So unfortunately I think the problems are more deeper than simply money.
Money differences usually can be worked out between a couple if both parties are in sync.
You and your spouse sound like you have some very fundamental differences. (please know, I am not a family or marriage counselor, so I don't want to sound all knowing) and that's going to make the money problems very hard to tackle.
I don't think you're dissatisified about the money I think it's much deeper than that and that's why I asked you to think about those questions.

I do believe in one thing, many times we try to change some one. we see it here all the time. If some one is not ready to get out of debt, all the dave ramseys, suze ormans in the world will not help them. There is only so much you can do.
 
So unfortunately I think the problems are more deeper than simply money.
Money differences usually can be worked out between a couple if both parties are in sync.
You and your spouse sound like you have some very fundamental differences. (please know, I am not a family or marriage counselor, so I don't want to sound all knowing) and that's going to make the money problems very hard to tackle.
I don't think you're dissatisified about the money I think it's much deeper than that and that's why I asked you to think about those questions.

I do believe in one thing, many times we try to change some one. we see it here all the time. If some one is not ready to get out of debt, all the dave ramseys, suze ormans in the world will not help them. There is only so much you can do.



I think you are right. I think there are more issues going on here than just money. There is no way for us to change someone they have to be willing to change. I think there is a need for some serious counseling. It might help you to both get on the same page or at least help you decide what you can accept and live with.

I wish you luck with this.
 
I have tried to show him, believe me! He says he doesnt want to see it or he doesnt want to know, like if he doesnt look at it, it wont happen.:confused3 When I try to show him, he just snaps "FINE! Just do whatever you want then" and walks away and pouts.

I have just never thought he had a gambling problem cause he doesnt do it every day or even once a week. I guess I think of addiction as in alcohol or something where you do it all the time.

Eliza61, he lied about the money cause he thought I would be mad. I was mad because before I left we sat down and agreed on an amount together. Then as soon as I left, he took what he wanted. As far as talking about goals, he has none. He is content where he is in life. He doesnt want anything better than what he has now. He doesnt want to strive for anything. We live in a very small home that is in a state of disrepair. He doesnt care. So much needs to be done but he doesnt care if it gets done or not and he is not motivatred to do it. He is fine living here and living paycheck to paycheck until he dies. I dont know what he thinks we are going to do upon retirement. I'm 10 years younger than he is so I guess he assumes I can still work and support us.:confused3 (although not very well)

Then I'm sorry for you :hug: Like others said, it really look like your problem is deeper than just a budget or spender vs saver relationship, with life goals totally apart. I guess you've tried just talking about goals & retirement (generally, not the money thing), and didn't get anywhere either. Counselling would help, but only if he was on board (which it doesn't sound like).
 
I really think you need to go see a professional counselor. There's so much this forum can't do. Your problems are deeper than money and to me it sounds like you married a very selfish person. It's something I wouldn't put up with, though I know women (and men!) who do.

If you still want an immediate fix, I highly recommend what others suggested. Create multiple accounts. With YOUR name on him if he won't leave them alone. Accounts at many financial institutions are free. This is what you want. Preferably set up a retirement account that can NOT be touched as well as a college savings account that can NOT be touched without severe penalties. Or heck even put the money into an account with your daughter's name instead of your own. Then put whatever you can afford into it each month, as soon as the paycheck hits. Its your first priority. Pay the bills at the same time and withdraw the money you'll need for bills you can't immediately pay (like groceries). Whatever's left, you can let him have fun with.

I work at a credit union. We have people set up automatic deposits for $25, $10, I've even seen one for $5 every time she got paid. Is it much? No. But over the course of a few years it's still a lot more than than none. And obviously in your case you need it out of your husband's reach, in an account where he can not have access to it.

As for your husband needing to save up for four months to go to the casino, if that's what it requires then that's what it requires. He's also welcome to take on extra work of some sort or anything else that will bring the money in.

Regardless, I wish you the best of luck. I think you have a tough road ahead of you.
 
I agree with others that OP's husband has a personal problem: self control, lying to cover, manipulating situations, impulse issues and addictions. My DH has similar tendencies, as he has some emotional issues as well, and it takes counselling, meds, proper diet & sleep and communication to help him remain on a more positive path. I wish the OP luck in helping her DH out with these problems. It's not just about spending money, it's why, how and the chemical rush he more than likely feels while spending that money, and the subsequent depression he may feel after when he realizes he has lied, or is out of money.

I am a saver and DH used to be a spender. His family has serious money problems: declare bankruptcy for fun, lose jobs, collect unemployment, lose houses, and do not save anything, and my family is the exact polar opposite. DH genetically has some of these same genes, so it has caused issues in our marriage over the years (by the way, DH is ok with me discussing this, as we have already talked about me doing so as a way to help others). He has convinced me to change my saving ways a few times, and purchase things we did not need, and this has been difficult for us as a couple, as it builds up resentment and personal feelings of guilt in myself. One of those biggest areas was DVC - he convinced me we needed more points, and to buy sooner than we needed to, and so despite having great vacations, and all DVC is paid for, I regret the whole process of how we went about purchasing DVC (didn't research as much as we should have, should have waited a few years, more points than needed, and didn't buy add-on via resale).

Now, he has come over to the spender side for us. I say for us, as he is a bank manager/financial advisor, so he is amazing with other people's money, and the family, but with our own, those family issues and old baggage comes into play, and he has tried to make himself feel better by purchasing something. He has now realized that overcompensating or purchasing an unnecessary item, like a DVD is not going to emotionally make him feel better. It has taken a lot of work, but he has come over to the spending side. I have had to become his client, so to speak, so I control all finances, as I have no emotional issues that will impair our ability to save, and I am an extreme organizer and very focused on saving money for various reasons: vacation account, education account, retirement account and general bills account. I will say though that we don't have issues with gambling, going to Starbucks, eating out, etc. We don't do any of those things, and neither of us has an allowance. We consult each other on all purchases (although once in awhile, he still has issues there), and that works for us. We also have joint accounts, and always have, with both our names on everything.

So, OP's DH sounds like he has personal/emotional issues that are preventing him from saving. If that is the case, then he more than likely will need professional help, as it's going to be a tough road without some clear and precise strategies, such as counselling, meds, allowance, etc. Saving money is a difficult concept for many, as it requires extreme foresight, organization, self control, focus and much multi-tasking. If someone struggles in these areas, than saving money becomes a very challenging and depressing concept. It requires work, and for many, that may be very difficult due to the emotional or learning challenges they may have in this area.

Interesting thread, Tiger
 
You have my sympathy, as opposite money styles were a big contributor to my parents' divorce.
I could say the same thing about my parents. My mom was brought up to be responsible with money, and she was good at making every dollar stretch -- she just couldn't earn any herself. My dad, on the other hand, earned a good paycheck, but he didn't grasp the idea of planning one's finances. He'd spend every dollar he had and then some.

It was one of the biggest things that drove them apart.

Back to the OP's question: Yes, my husband and I are completely on the same page when it comes to financial matters. I can only remember one significant financial thing on which we've disagreed in 20 years of marriage.
 














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